Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 30/03/12 20:32, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, I tried the Precise beta 2, and could not get the thing to use Unity-2d. When I boot the thing, the login prompt drums never sound, and I never hear the music one is supposed to hear on the Gnome session start. I can start orca manually. Once I have orca running, I discover that the 'alt-f1' keystroke is silent, and there is no apparent navigation in the launcher. A press of 'alt-tab' is also silent. Focus does switch apps, but there is no way to know until I release the keys, and, even then, orca may get confused or go silent. The 'alt-f2' keyboard shortcut for 'show run dialogue' is disabled, as shown in the gnome-control-center 'keyboard' page. I think a press of 'alt+f2' actually puts focus in the heads-up display, and my typing 'orca' into the search area just happened to start the app. Enabling the 'run' dialogue, in keyboard shortcuts, does not help. So, I opened terminal on my flash drive session, and edited '/var/lib/AccountsService/users/ubuntu' and '/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf', changing 'ubuntu' to 'ubuntu-2d', as I could do on an installed system, and tried a reboot. This results in a system that will not boot. True to form, for Canonical, they broke accessibility for this up-coming release. Cheers, Dave On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Has any one tryed the latest Ubuntu precise beta2? I remember that people had reported Unity 2d having issues with Orca not reading out the menus with alt + f1 and the launcher? Is it a reality, did somme one manage to reproduce the issue? if yes, what is the current status? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
Remember this is still a beta. I'm not familiar with the Ubuntu development team or community, but if it's similar to other development projects I've been involved with, there's probably a big push to get things fixed and addressed right up until beta 2 is released, so there will be an initial up tick in bugs. This isn't accessibility related but just naturally what happens when any significant amount of code is changed. Now we need to ensure issues are reported, bugs are opened and these issues get addressed before Ubuntu 12.04 is released. On 30/03/12 10:38, Krishnakant Mane wrote: This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 30/03/12 20:32, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, I tried the Precise beta 2, and could not get the thing to use Unity-2d. When I boot the thing, the login prompt drums never sound, and I never hear the music one is supposed to hear on the Gnome session start. I can start orca manually. Once I have orca running, I discover that the 'alt-f1' keystroke is silent, and there is no apparent navigation in the launcher. A press of 'alt-tab' is also silent. Focus does switch apps, but there is no way to know until I release the keys, and, even then, orca may get confused or go silent. The 'alt-f2' keyboard shortcut for 'show run dialogue' is disabled, as shown in the gnome-control-center 'keyboard' page. I think a press of 'alt+f2' actually puts focus in the heads-up display, and my typing 'orca' into the search area just happened to start the app. Enabling the 'run' dialogue, in keyboard shortcuts, does not help. So, I opened terminal on my flash drive session, and edited '/var/lib/AccountsService/users/ubuntu' and '/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf', changing 'ubuntu' to 'ubuntu-2d', as I could do on an installed system, and tried a reboot. This results in a system that will not boot. True to form, for Canonical, they broke accessibility for this up-coming release. Cheers, Dave On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Has any one tryed the latest Ubuntu precise beta2? I remember that people had reported Unity 2d having issues with Orca not reading out the menus with alt + f1 and the launcher? Is it a reality, did somme one manage to reproduce the issue? if yes, what is the current status? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
This is quite possible and I really hope it is the case. As a matter of fact, all things were so well that I can hardly believe that it could be broken. 'But yes, there is a lot of hast during the final beta release, because after this one, we will just have the Rc before the final version. So hope things will get better. We have a very dedicated Luke who has almost always got things right when it came to Ubuntu. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 30/03/12 21:33, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Remember this is still a beta. I'm not familiar with the Ubuntu development team or community, but if it's similar to other development projects I've been involved with, there's probably a big push to get things fixed and addressed right up until beta 2 is released, so there will be an initial up tick in bugs. This isn't accessibility related but just naturally what happens when any significant amount of code is changed. Now we need to ensure issues are reported, bugs are opened and these issues get addressed before Ubuntu 12.04 is released. On 30/03/12 10:38, Krishnakant Mane wrote: This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 30/03/12 20:32, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, I tried the Precise beta 2, and could not get the thing to use Unity-2d. When I boot the thing, the login prompt drums never sound, and I never hear the music one is supposed to hear on the Gnome session start. I can start orca manually. Once I have orca running, I discover that the 'alt-f1' keystroke is silent, and there is no apparent navigation in the launcher. A press of 'alt-tab' is also silent. Focus does switch apps, but there is no way to know until I release the keys, and, even then, orca may get confused or go silent. The 'alt-f2' keyboard shortcut for 'show run dialogue' is disabled, as shown in the gnome-control-center 'keyboard' page. I think a press of 'alt+f2' actually puts focus in the heads-up display, and my typing 'orca' into the search area just happened to start the app. Enabling the 'run' dialogue, in keyboard shortcuts, does not help. So, I opened terminal on my flash drive session, and edited '/var/lib/AccountsService/users/ubuntu' and '/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf', changing 'ubuntu' to 'ubuntu-2d', as I could do on an installed system, and tried a reboot. This results in a system that will not boot. True to form, for Canonical, they broke accessibility for this up-coming release. Cheers, Dave On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Has any one tryed the latest Ubuntu precise beta2? I remember that people had reported Unity 2d having issues with Orca not reading out the menus with alt + f1 and the launcher? Is it a reality, did somme one manage to reproduce the issue? if yes, what is the current status? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
Hi Thomas, I have a little confusion when talking about Gnome3. I wish to know if we set the default to Gnome3, do we get the gnome shell or the old time menu of application, places and system like in Gnome2? What is exactly Gnome classic? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 31/03/12 00:38, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, Well, I think the accessibility issues in beta 2 are temporary. As long as we file bugs with launchpad and let them know what has happened they should be able to correct the problem as access was working with beta 1 fairly well. Assuming they fix said bugs I'll probably switch to Unity 2D as the access we had a few days ago was acceptable if not exceptional. Even if they don't fix Unity 2D its not the end of the world. Gnome 3 is working decently and it is a fairly simple matter to install and configure Gnome for Ubuntu 12.04. Just set your default desktop to gnome-classic and you are in business. Cheers! On 3/30/2012 11:38 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
When ou use Gnome classic, you get the old-fashioned menus, like 'places', 'accessories', 'internet', 'sound and media', etc. a press of 'super+d' will minimize all apps, and put your on the desktop, which is just another folder under Gnome 3. For setting system preferences, you'll still use the gnome-control-center app; it's 'system settings' in Trisquel 5.5. I like having all these settings grouped in this way. Typing a filter string will show you only the icons with matching names. HTH, Dave On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hi Thomas, I have a little confusion when talking about Gnome3. I wish to know if we set the default to Gnome3, do we get the gnome shell or the old time menu of application, places and system like in Gnome2? What is exactly Gnome classic? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 31/03/12 00:38, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, Well, I think the accessibility issues in beta 2 are temporary. As long as we file bugs with launchpad and let them know what has happened they should be able to correct the problem as access was working with beta 1 fairly well. Assuming they fix said bugs I'll probably switch to Unity 2D as the access we had a few days ago was acceptable if not exceptional. Even if they don't fix Unity 2D its not the end of the world. Gnome 3 is working decently and it is a fairly simple matter to install and configure Gnome for Ubuntu 12.04. Just set your default desktop to gnome-classic and you are in business. Cheers! On 3/30/2012 11:38 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
Hi Dave, On 31/03/12 10:48, Dave Hunt wrote: When ou use Gnome classic, you get the old-fashioned menus, like 'places', 'accessories', 'internet', 'sound and media', etc. a press of 'super+d' will minimize all apps, and put your on the desktop, which is just another folder under Gnome 3. For setting system preferences, you'll still use the gnome-control-center app; it's 'system settings' in Trisquel 5.5. I like having all these settings grouped in this way. Typing a filter string will show you only the icons with matching names. So is this an enhancement in addition to the old menus? Typing a filter string is very much like the Unity's launcher I guess? And if so this means we have the best of all approaches. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. HTH, Dave On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hi Thomas, I have a little confusion when talking about Gnome3. I wish to know if we set the default to Gnome3, do we get the gnome shell or the old time menu of application, places and system like in Gnome2? What is exactly Gnome classic? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 31/03/12 00:38, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, Well, I think the accessibility issues in beta 2 are temporary. As long as we file bugs with launchpad and let them know what has happened they should be able to correct the problem as access was working with beta 1 fairly well. Assuming they fix said bugs I'll probably switch to Unity 2D as the access we had a few days ago was acceptable if not exceptional. Even if they don't fix Unity 2D its not the end of the world. Gnome 3 is working decently and it is a fairly simple matter to install and configure Gnome for Ubuntu 12.04. Just set your default desktop to gnome-classic and you are in business. Cheers! On 3/30/2012 11:38 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
