Re: Persona Survey results
On 30 August 2010 12:21, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > On 8/30/2010 2:11 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: >> Thanks for that. It is a dud then. >> Maurice > > Not necessarily. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that the accessibility > interface belongs on the same machine as the application. It would be possible > to put a simple bridge on grub and have it speak to the second machine fully > enabled. How you get there is a different story but something like serial port > or equivalent might be sufficient. > > Machine with grub tells remote machine what to say. Remote machine babbles. > This > is a lot easier than loading up grub with a whole bunch of stuff 99% of the > universe doesn't need. A small change is much more likely to be accepted. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Best Wishes -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona Survey results
On 8/30/2010 2:11 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Thanks for that. It is a dud then. > Maurice Not necessarily. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that the accessibility interface belongs on the same machine as the application. It would be possible to put a simple bridge on grub and have it speak to the second machine fully enabled. How you get there is a different story but something like serial port or equivalent might be sufficient. Machine with grub tells remote machine what to say. Remote machine babbles. This is a lot easier than loading up grub with a whole bunch of stuff 99% of the universe doesn't need. A small change is much more likely to be accepted. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona Survey results
Thanks for that. It is a dud then. Maurice On 30 August 2010 01:40, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 05:22:49AM EST, Maurice McCarthy wrote: >> On a different topic: >> >> 1. I'd be delighted if a sound module could be written for grub2 so >> that you could hear the menu entries for different booting options. > > Unfortunately, this is a big can of worms, to the point where properly > supporting all sound hardware would make grub a ot bigger than it is already, > and would require a lot more back end work to try and work with PCI devices > via BIOS calls etc. > > Luke > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona Survey results
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 05:22:49AM EST, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > On a different topic: > > 1. I'd be delighted if a sound module could be written for grub2 so > that you could hear the menu entries for different booting options. Unfortunately, this is a big can of worms, to the point where properly supporting all sound hardware would make grub a ot bigger than it is already, and would require a lot more back end work to try and work with PCI devices via BIOS calls etc. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona Survey results
Thanks for the correction Eric And, yes, it is annoyingly tantalising when these things happen. Thanks for the info about Windows and Nuance, too. On a different topic: 1. I'd be delighted if a sound module could be written for grub2 so that you could hear the menu entries for different booting options. 2. Would it be so diffcult to write a narrator for open office? ods and odt files are zipped xml file collections so for a /simple/ odt file you could chain an xml to text convertor to a text to speech convertor such as festival. This would be difficult in a spreadsheet however as you would easily lose the relation between different cells. -- Best Wishes Maurice On 21/08/2010, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > NaturallySpeaking version 11 was just released. It has been improved but not > in the ways that matters. ... -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona Survey results
On 8/21/2010 6:59 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Hi All, > > I read the survey last night and it makes interesting reading. > > A few people mentioned Dragonsoft programs such as Naturally Speaking > and Dictate. Forgive me if I am wrong but earlier this year I was > looking at these sort of programs. > > Naturally Speaking has not undergone any development for over 2 years > and is now half price in Amazon. When I also discovered that voice > recognition is vastly improved in Windows 7 I leapt to the conclusion > that Microsoft have bought Dragonsoft and incorporated their product > into Windows. I may be wrong but this sort of thing has happened often > - Roxio cd burner, Visio CAD and Winternals to name the obvious ones. NaturallySpeaking version 11 was just released. It has been improved but not in the ways that matters. It has a bunch of gui "improvements", some speed and accuracy improvements. I can't find out if they've improved the number of a that controls it works with. I can almost guarantee you it does not work with any of the open source edit controls such as gtk+ or wxwindows. On the other hand, there's been a lot of activity in the wine community and I would not be surprised if this was the year we had a working solution. Windows speech recognition is completely separate from nuance. I've been told it's on par with NaturallySpeaking 10.1. Unfortunately, Microsoft is even less responsive to the needs of the disabled than nuance. Quite a pity. One of the Microsoft developers was hanging out on the voice coder list and helped out significantly with using Microsoft's speech recognition and then he vanished when we started asking questions, hard questions about bug fixes. We call this the "I think I hear my mommy calling" effect. > Against my better nature I bought a copy of Win7 to see for myself and > found nothing as good as this in Linux. Isn't it exhilarating When you find something nice (er) than what you've ever known and horrifying to realize you can never be satisfied with either environment. For example, I've been looking at a bunch of windows IDE's in the vain hope that I will find one that will work with NaturallySpeaking. But in my exposure to these different tools and user interfaces, I've come to find that I like some of them better than Emacs but they still fall short so I find myself stuck between modern Windows gui's and emacs and neither work with speech recognition. Isn't that exquisite? It makes me weep. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona Survey results
On 8/21/2010 6:59 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Hi All, > > I read the survey last night and it makes interesting reading. > > A few people mentioned Dragonsoft programs such as Naturally Speaking > and Dictate. Forgive me if I am wrong but earlier this year I was > looking at these sort of programs. > > Naturally Speaking has not undergone any development for over 2 years > and is now half price in Amazon. When I also discovered that voice > recognition is vastly improved in Windows 7 I leapt to the conclusion > that Microsoft have bought Dragonsoft and incorporated their product > into Windows. I may be wrong but this sort of thing has happened often > - Roxio cd burner, Visio CAD and Winternals to name the obvious ones. NaturallySpeaking version 11 was just released. It has been improved but not in the ways that matters. It has a bunch of gui "improvements", some speed and accuracy improvements. I can't find out if they've improved the number of a that controls it works with. I can almost guarantee you it does not work with any of the open source edit controls such as gtk+ or wxwindows. On the other hand, there's been a lot of activity in the wine community and I would not be surprised if this was the year we had a working solution. Windows speech recognition is completely separate from nuance. I've been told it's on par with NaturallySpeaking 10.1. Unfortunately, Microsoft is even less responsive to the needs of the disabled than nuance. Quite a pity. One of the Microsoft developers was hanging out on the voice coder list and helped out significantly with using Microsoft's speech recognition and then he vanished when we started asking questions, hard questions about bug fixes. We call this the "I think I hear my mommy calling" effect. > Against my better nature I bought a copy of Win7 to see for myself and > found nothing as good as this in Linux. Isn't it exhilarating When you find something nice (er) than what you've ever known and horrifying to realize you can never be satisfied with either environment. For example, I've been looking at a bunch of windows IDE's in the vain hope that I will find one that will work with NaturallySpeaking. But in my exposure to these different tools and user interfaces, I've come to find that I like some of them better than Emacs but they still fall short so I find myself stuck between modern Windows gui's and emacs and neither work with speech recognition. Isn't that exquisite? It makes me weep. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona Survey results
Hi All, I read the survey last night and it makes interesting reading. A few people mentioned Dragonsoft programs such as Naturally Speaking and Dictate. Forgive me if I am wrong but earlier this year I was looking at these sort of programs. Naturally Speaking has not undergone any development for over 2 years and is now half price in Amazon. When I also discovered that voice recognition is vastly improved in Windows 7 I leapt to the conclusion that Microsoft have bought Dragonsoft and incorporated their product into Windows. I may be wrong but this sort of thing has happened often - Roxio cd burner, Visio CAD and Winternals to name the obvious ones. Against my better nature I bought a copy of Win7 to see for myself and found nothing as good as this in Linux. -- Best Wishes Maurice -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Persona Survey results
The results of the survey are now in, we had a fantastic response and we have 26 really great detailed replies. The next step is to group these roughly by impairment then use the replies as an inspiration to write up descriptions of realistic but fictional characters that can be used by developers and user experience designers to ensure that Ubuntu is built for these characters. For a bit of background on design personas in general and how they are used here is a description of how IBM use them http://www-01.ibm.com/software/ucd/gallery/software.html Canonical have a set of personas already, one of them has a visual impairment, we want to build a small set of personas with a range of accessibility needs and write them up to the same standard of quality as the existing Canonical documents so they can be fed into the design team. If you would like to help in the process of getting from survey responses to personas then please email myself or Penelope Stowe and we will send you a copy of the spreadsheet with all the responses and just names and email addresses removed. We decided at the meeting last night that we would share the spreadsheet with anyone on the list who asks for it, but we won't publish it on the internet or post it to the list in it's raw form. Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
