Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard work on qt-at-spi. Alex M From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Hello, On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible. All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good. Greetings Frederik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced Regards, Alex M ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
yeah, I had tryed as well and had the same problem. I think there could be some more things to test and if they are not fundamentally broke, then we are in for a happy surprise. I would be interested to see how Firefox works under this infra structure and how libre office works as well. Personally, I use Eclipse so that's another thing to watch out. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 07:17 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT. That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you. If it was a field you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character or word by word navigation was not possible at the time. I hope that's gotten better since then. I haven't looked at it since May or June of last year, I think. It is a very important piece of the puzzle. Alex M From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM To: Alex Midence Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard work on qt-at-spi. Alex M From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Hello, On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible. All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good. Greetings Frederik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced Regards, Alex M ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
RE: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
I'll create a virtual machine and begin testing before the month is up. Do I need to have something like Fedora Rawhide or Ubuntu 13.10 to test in an environment that will give you valuable data? Alex M -Original Message- From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:35 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Cc: Alex Midence; 'Krishnakant Mane' Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Onsdag 24. juli 2013 08.47.34 skrev Alex Midence: Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT. That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you. If it was a field you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character or word by word navigation was not possible at the time. I hope that's gotten better since then. I haven't looked at it since May or June of last year, I think. It is a very important piece of the puzzle. For Kate it would be great if I could get bug reports with an easy description on https://bugs.kde.org . Another interesting thing to try would be Qt Creator - which is probably quite complex to test, but for me the editor pretty much works with Orca. Or as a simpler test the text editor example that is shipped with Qt 5 (examples/widgets/richtext/textedit). In general using one of the many examples shipped with Qt makes it easier for me to reproduce bugs, feel free to file Qt accessibility bugs on https://bugreports.qt-project.org and make sure to choose Gui: Accessibility as component. Generally the text interfaces should be much better in Qt 5 compared to Qt 4, but need some testing. KMail is using WebKit and is not expected to work all that great (even though Jose made it work much better than before). Greetings Frederik Alex M From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM To: Alex Midence Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard work on qt-at-spi. Alex M From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Hello, On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible. All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good. Greetings Frederik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced Regards, Alex M ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at
RE: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT. That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you. If it was a field you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character or word by word navigation was not possible at the time. I hope that's gotten better since then. I haven't looked at it since May or June of last year, I think. It is a very important piece of the puzzle. Alex M From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM To: Alex Midence Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard work on qt-at-spi. Alex M From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Hello, On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible. All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good. Greetings Frederik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced Regards, Alex M ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
Onsdag 24. juli 2013 08.47.34 skrev Alex Midence: Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT. That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you. If it was a field you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character or word by word navigation was not possible at the time. I hope that's gotten better since then. I haven't looked at it since May or June of last year, I think. It is a very important piece of the puzzle. For Kate it would be great if I could get bug reports with an easy description on https://bugs.kde.org . Another interesting thing to try would be Qt Creator - which is probably quite complex to test, but for me the editor pretty much works with Orca. Or as a simpler test the text editor example that is shipped with Qt 5 (examples/widgets/richtext/textedit). In general using one of the many examples shipped with Qt makes it easier for me to reproduce bugs, feel free to file Qt accessibility bugs on https://bugreports.qt-project.org and make sure to choose Gui: Accessibility as component. Generally the text interfaces should be much better in Qt 5 compared to Qt 4, but need some testing. KMail is using WebKit and is not expected to work all that great (even though Jose made it work much better than before). Greetings Frederik Alex M From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM To: Alex Midence Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard work on qt-at-spi. Alex M From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Hello, On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible. All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good. Greetings Frederik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced Regards, Alex M ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
Onsdag 24. juli 2013 12.08.32 skrev Alex Midence: I'll create a virtual machine and begin testing before the month is up. Do I need to have something like Fedora Rawhide or Ubuntu 13.10 to test in an environment that will give you valuable data? No, any reasonalbly recent linux distro should work just fine. I'd go with something not too old so that at-spi-2 works. You can qet Qt 5 installers here: http://download.qt-project.org/official_releases but they will not be accessible. I guess there are more and more distribution packages showing up these days, so hopefully that provides a convenient way to test. Alternatively you can build from source which is somewhat time consuming. Cheers, Frederik Alex M -Original Message- From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:35 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Cc: Alex Midence; 'Krishnakant Mane' Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Onsdag 24. juli 2013 08.47.34 skrev Alex Midence: Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT. That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you. If it was a field you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character or word by word navigation was not possible at the time. I hope that's gotten better since then. I haven't looked at it since May or June of last year, I think. It is a very important piece of the puzzle. For Kate it would be great if I could get bug reports with an easy description on https://bugs.kde.org . Another interesting thing to try would be Qt Creator - which is probably quite complex to test, but for me the editor pretty much works with Orca. Or as a simpler test the text editor example that is shipped with Qt 5 (examples/widgets/richtext/textedit). In general using one of the many examples shipped with Qt makes it easier for me to reproduce bugs, feel free to file Qt accessibility bugs on https://bugreports.qt-project.org and make sure to choose Gui: Accessibility as component. Generally the text interfaces should be much better in Qt 5 compared to Qt 4, but need some testing. KMail is using WebKit and is not expected to work all that great (even though Jose made it work much better than before). Greetings Frederik Alex M From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM To: Alex Midence Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard work on qt-at-spi. Alex M From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Hello, On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible. All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the level
