Re: Accessibility of gnome-controlcenter?
Hello, At 11:16 AM + 1/15/07, Calum Benson wrote: >Both Windows XP (dunno about Vista) and Mac OS X >allow menu access to individual control panels if desired, and it seems >unlikely to me that we've done more user research than they have. I have not installed Feisty yet, so my reply might not make sense. Anyhow, I wanted to point out that the user has to open the System Preferences window (Gnome Control Centre) in order to get the menu from which he can choose a single control panel. Francesco -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessibility of gnome-controlcenter?
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 12:02 +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > * We should never rely on the legacy solution to provide us with the > accessibility features. It will always be less discoverable and may > suddenly disappear. Indeed we shouldn't, but the menu system is more efficient for a lot of people without accessibility needs too, so I'm still against getting rid of it altogether. Both Windows XP (dunno about Vista) and Mac OS X allow menu access to individual control panels if desired, and it seems unlikely to me that we've done more user research than they have. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessibility of gnome-controlcenter?
Calum Benson wrote: > On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:03 -0500, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I've noticed that by default in Feisty, the administration menu seems to be >> gone, and all of the functions it contained can now be accessed via the >> gnome-control-center. >> > > FWIW, this is a proposal for GNOME 2.18 that may or may not be adopted > (although it looks like it will be). I've never been too keen on it, > but assuming it gets in, I'm hopeful that it will still be possible to > switch back to the more efficient, old-style menu access too. > > Hm, I've seen this argumentation in other places too (from ubuntu forum users who prefer the old menu system). I think it's a bad idea for two reasons: * We cannot keep legacy approaches around forever. It will clutter the interface with options and clutter the code. If gnome decides on this option we should work to improve it (where needed) and not try to bring back the old IMHO. * We should never rely on the legacy solution to provide us with the accessibility features. It will always be less discoverable and may suddenly disappear. Making the new control centre accessible should not be that hard. Who can we contact about it? Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessibility of gnome-controlcenter?
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:03 -0500, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I've noticed that by default in Feisty, the administration menu seems to be > gone, and all of the functions it contained can now be accessed via the > gnome-control-center. FWIW, this is a proposal for GNOME 2.18 that may or may not be adopted (although it looks like it will be). I've never been too keen on it, but assuming it gets in, I'm hopeful that it will still be possible to switch back to the more efficient, old-style menu access too. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessibility of gnome-controlcenter?
Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I've noticed that by default in Feisty, the administration menu seems to be > gone, and all of the functions it contained can now be accessed via the > gnome-control-center. My concern is that unless I'm missing something, > there doesn't seem to be a way to navigate the control-center UI efficiently > via the keyboard. Granted, it is possible to tab to, and then press enter > on each function's corresponding button; However, I don't see any way of > quickly jumping to a desired function. As an example, under administration, > if I wanted to get to the sound preferences, I could do so relatively > quickly by pressing S a couple of times. Are there plans to implement first > letter navigation into the control-center's UI? If this isn't going to > happen any time soon, is there an option somewhere to easily restore the > administration menu? > The new control centre resembles the control panel in Windows, which does respond to first-letter-pressing as you describe. I think we should pursue that option. Only trouble is that the items are sorted by category first, then alphabetically (is that a problem? the selection could skip through categories). Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessibility of gnome-controlcenter?
There is a filter text box. It seems to gain focus automatically when the Control Center window is first opened. So type "sound" and then tab to the sounds button. On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:03 -0500, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I've noticed that by default in Feisty, the administration menu seems to be > gone, and all of the functions it contained can now be accessed via the > gnome-control-center. My concern is that unless I'm missing something, > there doesn't seem to be a way to navigate the control-center UI efficiently > via the keyboard. Granted, it is possible to tab to, and then press enter > on each function's corresponding button; However, I don't see any way of > quickly jumping to a desired function. As an example, under administration, > if I wanted to get to the sound preferences, I could do so relatively > quickly by pressing S a couple of times. Are there plans to implement first > letter navigation into the control-center's UI? If this isn't going to > happen any time soon, is there an option somewhere to easily restore the > administration menu? > > Thanks, > > --Al > > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
