Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
Thank you (all) for the work on this. I've not been very active at all on this, but would like to contribute. I've forgotten what I need to do to get (re-)started on the Pad system. It might be useful to have a link or two about that. Will there be more than one VI persona? Our needs are different, and conflict! There have been times when I've needed lots of light, and times when I have been photophobic, just as an example. :-) RP is an interesting choice because it does occur with deafness in Usher Syndrome. I have things I'd like to see mentioned, but I don't want to write them up if they would misrepresent the needs of someone with RP. For example: NS-WYSIWYG - Non-Strict WYSIWYG -- We Know the paper will be white but the screen white is *not* WYSIWYG because paper does not glow, reading a printed page is not like staring into a light bulb: allow me to reverse the colours or choose something else. I never did convince Star Office devs of this. A Magnifier that works by warping the screen, so none of it is hidden. The non-magnified parts are compressed, so you can still see where you are relatively. Maybe the GPU and display drivers could be made to do this? And I'd like to be able to change the mouse to screen sized crosshairs like on the old Tektronix terminals, so you cannot lose the pointer. That's all I can think of at the moment. Well, that's 3 impossible things before US breakfast time. Hugh On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, one of the actions from UDS was to crack on and get more of the persona documents out, these help us to communicate the need for accessibility considerations to be included in the design process. We have already published Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color blindness) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and Daniela (fully blind) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and we have outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and Henrietta (cognitive and memory issues) I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we want to cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon is visually impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large monitor with screen magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than full time screen reader use. His vision might be getting worse over time, so he might be learning to use Orca, and might like some more audio cues from the desktop. We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the #ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough framework of topics which match the personas used internally at Canonical by the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but present some more interesting design challenges. It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the drafting and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of visual impairments. The personas should be accurate and informative, and at least as important, they should be interesting and nice people. I am not setting any particular time for working on this, but I imagine there will be people online and active throughout the day for Europe and USA Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Fwd: Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com Date: Nov 10, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November To: Hugh Sasse h...@dmu.ac.uk It still would be a matter of: 1. Checking to see if gnome 3 still has that setting 2. Porting that style of magnifier to compiz since unity 3d is built on compiz. An alternative for you short-term would be using unity 2d with kwin (which can also do the inverse colors) 3. Getting (or finding) a lightweight standalone version of that cursor. Maco -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: On 10/11/11 11:04, Hugh Sasse wrote: [...] I've forgotten what I need to do to get (re-)started on the Pad system. It might be useful to have a link or two about that. basically go to the pad page in a graphical browser and start typing anywhere you want. OK, added a couple of things. I don't have a CCTV magnifier at home, and I don't use a web cam, so maybe someone can add something about: Can present day CCTVs input to computers pretty much as standard? Can you use Web cams (maybe with photography macro adaptors) as CCTV magnifiers? With Image Magick, etc that might be a good use case for Simon. Will there be more than one VI persona? Our needs are different, and conflict! There have been times when I've needed lots of light, and times when I have been photophobic, just as an example. :-) in the plan we are separating blind from VI, but I am hoping we can get all the VI needs boiled down into one persona (given we already have Faisal who is colourblind). RP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinitis_pigmentosa is a good choice as it is progressive, which means we can get various levels of VI in the one persona. We could do loads of persona documents and cover *everything* but I think it is a better choice to cover the needs of the Ubuntu target audience in a minimal set that the non-a11y specialist contributers to Ubuntu can understand. So the personas should represent all the Ubuntu users, but the target audience of our persona project is all developers and contributors, not just those working on stuff like zoom and screen readers. OK, so it's a good enough model of visual impairment, until we need something better. That's a sensible engineering decision. I was concerned that the experience of RP will be quite different from Macula Degeneration etc. RP is an interesting choice because it does occur with deafness in Usher Syndrome. I would like to raise the flag for a deafblind persona, though. In the UK, for example, there are about 24,000 deafblind people, but they so often seem to be batted like tennis balls between the organizations of/for [dD]eaf people and those of/for blind people, but the solutions offered usually rely on having the other sense intact. There are widely varying stats for the USA http://www.aadb.org/FAQ/faq_DeafBlindness.html#count Thank you, Hugh -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
On 10/11/11 15:11, Hugh Sasse wrote: OK, added a couple of things. I don't have a CCTV magnifier at home, and I don't use a web cam, so maybe someone can add something about: Can present day CCTVs input to computers pretty much as standard? Can you use Web cams (maybe with photography macro adaptors) as CCTV magnifiers? With Image Magick, etc that might be a good use case for Simon. what is the CCTV for? Is this a security camera of some kind? OK, so it's a good enough model of visual impairment, until we need something better. That's a sensible engineering decision. I was concerned that the experience of RP will be quite different from Macula Degeneration etc. it probably would be, but I am guessing the options we can provide on the computer for assistance are pretty much the same, magnification, speech or audio cues and tweaks to colours and contrasts. I would like to raise the flag for a deafblind persona, though. In the UK, for example, there are about 24,000 deafblind people, but they so often seem to be batted like tennis balls between the organizations of/for [dD]eaf people and those of/for blind people, but the solutions offered usually rely on having the other sense intact. There are widely varying stats for the USA http://www.aadb.org/FAQ/faq_DeafBlindness.html#count Thank you, Hugh totally agree, but I am not sure what we can do from an Ubuntu desktop perspective, to use a computer a deafblind person will require a braille output device (which is supported, but I don't have the hardware or skill to use it). In theory it would be the same as the blindness profile, but using braille rather than speech dispatcher. It would be massively hard to use the desktop that way, but probably not technically impossible. I am not sure there is much we can do to optimise the desktop for that persona which would be in any way different to the blindness profile. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: On 10/11/11 15:11, Hugh Sasse wrote: OK, added a couple of things. I don't have a CCTV magnifier at home, and I don't use a web cam, so maybe someone can add something about: Can present day CCTVs input to computers pretty much as standard? Can you use Web cams (maybe with photography macro adaptors) as CCTV magnifiers? With Image Magick, etc that might be a good use case for Simon. what is the CCTV for? Is this a security camera of some kind? :-) No, it's for magnification. First non-advertising one I found on the web was this: http://www.afb.org/Section.asp?SectionID=4TopicID=31DocumentID=221 They'll magnify, change the colours, increase the contrast, and some even do more processing on what is placed on the tray underneath the TV/camera unit. People use them for close work, reading, etc. A good description is from Abilitynet. http://abilitynet.wetpaint.com/page/CCTV+and+Video+Magnifiers (Not sure about the wetpaint in the domain name. http://www.abilitynet.org.uk/edu_sensoryhardware#cctv might be better for that reason. ) Personally I find hand magnifiers easier, but they are less of interest for this topic. OK, so it's a good enough model of visual impairment, until we need something better. That's a sensible engineering decision. I was concerned that the experience of RP will be quite different from Macula Degeneration etc. it probably would be, but I am guessing the options we can provide on the computer for assistance are pretty much the same, magnification, speech or audio cues and tweaks to colours and contrasts. OK. I would like to raise the flag for a deafblind persona, though. In the UK, for example, there are about 24,000 deafblind people, but they so often seem to be batted like tennis balls between the organizations of/for [dD]eaf people and those of/for blind people, but the solutions offered usually rely on having the other sense intact. There are widely varying stats for the USA http://www.aadb.org/FAQ/faq_DeafBlindness.html#count Thank you, Hugh totally agree, but I am not sure what we can do from an Ubuntu desktop perspective, to use a computer a deafblind person will require a braille output device (which is supported, but I don't have the hardware or skill to use it). In theory it would be the same as the blindness profile, but using braille rather than speech dispatcher. It would be massively hard to use the desktop that way, but probably not technically impossible. I am not sure there is much we can do to optimise the desktop for that persona which would be in any way different to the blindness profile. I'm not in regular contact with deafblind people these days, but when I was I was left with the impression that braille use is greater among deafblind people as a proportion than it is among blind people. But there are other modes of communication which are more unusual, and I don't know how difficult they are to cater for, or how common they are now. As two examples: Circa 1980 there was a deafblind radio amateur who successfully used morse code by touch. Circa 2002 there was a project called Dexter which was a robotic hand producing the US one handed Deaf fingerspelling alphabet to be read by touch. Maybe that was driven by RS232, I can't remember now. So some of the needs will be distinct from those of blind people and deaf people. It might be worth asking AADB if they'd like any input. I think they are probably the biggest deafblind organisation in the world, or at least the anglophone world. At a wild guess, anyway. It might generate some interesting ideas, anyway. Hugh -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
On 10/11/11 11:04, Hugh Sasse wrote: Thank you (all) for the work on this. I've not been very active at all on this, but would like to contribute. I've forgotten what I need to do to get (re-)started on the Pad system. It might be useful to have a link or two about that. basically go to the pad page in a graphical browser and start typing anywhere you want. Will there be more than one VI persona? Our needs are different, and conflict! There have been times when I've needed lots of light, and times when I have been photophobic, just as an example. :-) in the plan we are separating blind from VI, but I am hoping we can get all the VI needs boiled down into one persona (given we already have Faisal who is colourblind). RP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinitis_pigmentosa is a good choice as it is progressive, which means we can get various levels of VI in the one persona. We could do loads of persona documents and cover *everything* but I think it is a better choice to cover the needs of the Ubuntu target audience in a minimal set that the non-a11y specialist contributers to Ubuntu can understand. So the personas should represent all the Ubuntu users, but the target audience of our persona project is all developers and contributors, not just those working on stuff like zoom and screen readers. RP is an interesting choice because it does occur with deafness in Usher Syndrome. I have things I'd like to see mentioned, but I don't want to write them up if they would misrepresent the needs of someone with RP. For example: NS-WYSIWYG - Non-Strict WYSIWYG -- We Know the paper will be white but the screen white is *not* WYSIWYG because paper does not glow, reading a printed page is not like staring into a light bulb: allow me to reverse the colours or choose something else. I never did convince Star Office devs of this. A Magnifier that works by warping the screen, so none of it is hidden. The non-magnified parts are compressed, so you can still see where you are relatively. Maybe the GPU and display drivers could be made to do this? And I'd like to be able to change the mouse to screen sized crosshairs like on the old Tektronix terminals, so you cannot lose the pointer. That's all I can think of at the moment. Well, that's 3 impossible things before US breakfast time. Hugh On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, one of the actions from UDS was to crack on and get more of the persona documents out, these help us to communicate the need for accessibility considerations to be included in the design process. We have already published Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color blindness) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and Daniela (fully blind) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and we have outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and Henrietta (cognitive and memory issues) I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we want to cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon is visually impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large monitor with screen magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than full time screen reader use. His vision might be getting worse over time, so he might be learning to use Orca, and might like some more audio cues from the desktop. We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the #ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough framework of topics which match the personas used internally at Canonical by the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but present some more interesting design challenges. It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the drafting and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of visual impairments. The personas should be accurate and informative, and at least as important, they should be interesting and nice people. I am not setting any particular time for working on this, but I imagine there will be people online and active throughout the day for Europe and USA Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
Hi Alan, thanks for all of your work on this and to everyone else who is working on it. My eye condition is like the Simon persona, I am visually impaired and losing my eyesight, use a 32 inch TV for my monitor. Unfortunately, this site you posted is not easily usable in lynx web browser, which I use because the text console is easier to see and also works better with speech such as is provided with speakup a screen reader for the virtual console. When I do have to use the GUI, I not only use high contrast, but also large print because the magnifiers in Linux are clunky and difficult to use whereas large bold print with high contrast is way easier to follow. Just a little input from a real live example of that persona. Kind Regards and Thank You, Pia On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, one of the actions from UDS was to crack on and get more of the persona documents out, these help us to communicate the need for accessibility considerations to be included in the design process. We have already published Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color blindness) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and Daniela (fully blind) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and we have outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and Henrietta (cognitive and memory issues) I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we want to cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon is visually impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large monitor with screen magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than full time screen reader use. His vision might be getting worse over time, so he might be learning to use Orca, and might like some more audio cues from the desktop. We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the #ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough framework of topics which match the personas used internally at Canonical by the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but present some more interesting design challenges. It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the drafting and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of visual impairments. The personas should be accurate and informative, and at least as important, they should be interesting and nice people. I am not setting any particular time for working on this, but I imagine there will be people online and active throughout the day for Europe and USA Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
