Re: a problem with the live cd
> Well, I doubt the order of the languages has changed, if anything, it > saves one having to press the function key that is assigned to the > language choice. So things are now just a little different.You simply > arrow down the number of times you need to get to the language, thn press > enter, and then choose accessibility options from there. Ah, that is OK then. I misunderstood. When you said you thought it would never be accessible I thought you meant it couldn't even be used this way. > I don't think its a downgrade, just having to do things a little > differently to how they were done in the past. You're of course right, sorry for the rant :-) --David. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: a problem with the live cd
Hello Luke! What live cd's work your solution? You send: "Yes, the way the live CD boots up now is slightly different, you now need to press the enter key before pressing F5. This is because a language selection list is brought up, before selecting how to boot the CD. This will likely never be accessible, and English is selected by default, so just pressing enter, then pressing F5 to set your option is the way forward. I hope to put something in the release notes for the final release about ths." First enter key not boot the live cd default settings? If pressing f5 key, select the screen reader and press two enter key, Orca can not start automaticaly. Another letter you send: "The hopeful plan is if an accessibility option is chosen, that the language the user wishes to use is asked for just before the desktop loads." Speech Orca this question with final release? What happen hardy accessibility installation and administration with speech? Speeching orca with future? Possible doing the first user (making the installer) every administrative privileges, and speech administrations correctly (setting gdmsetup, updates, every system/administration and system/settings tasks)? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: a problem with the live cd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:13:13PM EST, David Picón Álvarez wrote: > > Accessibility users haven't really been able to select their language, > > even prior to this change. This change was not up to me, and I couldn't > > argue with the change being made. Do you really begrudge one extra key > > having to be pressed just so you can boot the CD? > > Language was possible to choose. I know many people chose Spanish by > pressing appropriate function key and arrowing down a set number of times. > Personally I can use English and understand English synthetic voice, but > many can't. Well, I doubt the order of the languages has changed, if anything, it saves one having to press the function key that is assigned to the language choice. So things are now just a little different.You simply arrow down the number of times you need to get to the language, thn press enter, and then choose accessibility options from there. > > As for accessibility for users of other languages, I have a plan to > > address that for the next release, as it is far too late to try and do > > something aboutit for hardy. The hopeful plan is if an accessibility > > option is chosen, that the language the user wishes to use is asked for > > just before the desktop loads. > > That is not a bad idea, but sadly, Hardy installation experience will be a > downgrade. I don't think its a downgrade, just having to do things a little differently to how they were done in the past. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHuj8NjVefwtBjIM4RAiAAAJ46cooZOrwVcBROyAs1EEGsrF//rQCfXyLY nwtCYXi/L46Fkt0Olf5wzas= =ogeY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: a problem with the live cd
> Accessibility users haven't really been able to select their language, > even prior to this change. This change was not up to me, and I couldn't > argue with the change being made. Do you really begrudge one extra key > having to be pressed just so you can boot the CD? Language was possible to choose. I know many people chose Spanish by pressing appropriate function key and arrowing down a set number of times. Personally I can use English and understand English synthetic voice, but many can't. > As for accessibility for users of other languages, I have a plan to > address that for the next release, as it is far too late to try and do > something aboutit for hardy. The hopeful plan is if an accessibility > option is chosen, that the language the user wishes to use is asked for > just before the desktop loads. That is not a bad idea, but sadly, Hardy installation experience will be a downgrade. --David. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: a problem with the live cd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:28:47AM EST, David Picón Álvarez wrote: > > Yes, the way the live CD boots up now is slightly different, you now need > > to press the enter key before pressing F5. This is because a language > > selection list is brought up, before selecting how to boot the CD. This > > will likely never be accessible, and English is selected by default, so > > just pressing enter, then pressing F5 to set your option is the way > > forward. I hope to put something in the release notes for the final > > release about ths. > > So, non-English-speaking blind or visually impaired Ubuntu users are > shafted? Why has this changed been made? Does it really justify leaving a > lot of people without the chance to practically use the system? Accessibility users haven't really been able to select their language, even prior to this change. This change was not up to me, and I couldn't argue with the change being made. Do you really begrudge one extra key having to be pressed just so you can boot the CD? As for accessibility for users of other languages, I have a plan to address that for the next release, as it is far too late to try and do something aboutit for hardy. The hopeful plan is if an accessibility option is chosen, that the language the user wishes to use is asked for just before the desktop loads. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHuheLjVefwtBjIM4RAse6AJ9jlJvCW3/f8DhZGTjBHOQvHCfviQCghUlx mreE/DwdexjleS0rbPFHXVQ= =oHVr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: a problem with the live cd
> Yes, the way the live CD boots up now is slightly different, you now need > to press the enter key before pressing F5. This is because a language > selection list is brought up, before selecting how to boot the CD. This > will likely never be accessible, and English is selected by default, so > just pressing enter, then pressing F5 to set your option is the way > forward. I hope to put something in the release notes for the final > release about ths. So, non-English-speaking blind or visually impaired Ubuntu users are shafted? Why has this changed been made? Does it really justify leaving a lot of people without the chance to practically use the system? --David. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: a problem with the live cd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:48:59AM EST, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I downloaded the latest live CD yesterday and found the f5 and 3 keys do > not cause orca to start when ubuntu loads. This was a handy feature for those > who know very little about linux. It was a easy way for me to tell those who > are new to ubuntu to get speech started from the beginning. Is this problem > being worked on. Yes, the way the live CD boots up now is slightly different, you now need to press the enter key before pressing F5. This is because a language selection list is brought up, before selecting how to boot the CD. This will likely never be accessible, and English is selected by default, so just pressing enter, then pressing F5 to set your option is the way forward. I hope to put something in the release notes for the final release about ths. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHuhLLjVefwtBjIM4RAkj+AJ94kJNbd6M3BL1nbICWBuuzTWNydQCgxyWp XwdGIvCQzFJO0VOQ8gB+Q+s= =qz9i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
a problem with the live cd
Hi, I downloaded the latest live CD yesterday and found the f5 and 3 keys do not cause orca to start when ubuntu loads. This was a handy feature for those who know very little about linux. It was a easy way for me to tell those who are new to ubuntu to get speech started from the beginning. Is this problem being worked on. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080218-0, 02/18/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
