Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On 04/24/2013 05:46 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, Hello, sorry, I'm arriving somewhat late. I wish to know if the Ubuntu 13.04 gnome edition is worth using for a complete daily desktop? As far as I can understand from the responses to my previous queries, many suggest that Unity is still as good as 12.04. But I understand that Gnome shell 3.6 is much more accessible than 3.4. Is this correct? Yes, GNOME Shell 3.6 is more accessible that 3.4. If yes, then how good would it be as compared to Unity 2d? Never compared with unity2d sorry. do we have some thing similar to heads up display? Can I access the top panel where wifi settings or other system related options can be accessed? Yes. As Luke mentioned (and it is a good point that I didn't take into account), wireless strength is not exposed. But you can access the panel, and looking for available wifis. The problem about knowing which one is the current selected was also fixed. Is the menu bar totally accessible? AFAIK yes. Any other advantage or prominent improvements over Gnome shell 3.4? Most of the UI was reviewed in order to check missing names and roles. GNOME Shell 3.4 was good enough to do some tests with orca in order to improve it. GNOME Shell 3.6 was the first usable version by orca users, imho. Right now, the only missing spots that I can remember right now (some of them already mentioned) are: * Wifi strengh, mentioned on this thread (I will create a bug about this shortly) * Laptop battery level (althought fwiw, it reads the remaining amount of time) bug#684464 * Volume level on the volume slider bug#648623 BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On 04/26/2013 07:55 PM, Piñeiro wrote: * Wifi strengh, mentioned on this thread (I will create a bug about this shortly) Done: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698984 BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
That seems fairly good enough. I would think that 3.8 has more improvemnets, but don't know really how to set it up on Ubuntu 13.04. Happy hacking. krishnakant. On 04/26/2013 11:25 PM, Piñeiro wrote: On 04/24/2013 05:46 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, Hello, sorry, I'm arriving somewhat late. I wish to know if the Ubuntu 13.04 gnome edition is worth using for a complete daily desktop? As far as I can understand from the responses to my previous queries, many suggest that Unity is still as good as 12.04. But I understand that Gnome shell 3.6 is much more accessible than 3.4. Is this correct? Yes, GNOME Shell 3.6 is more accessible that 3.4. If yes, then how good would it be as compared to Unity 2d? Never compared with unity2d sorry. do we have some thing similar to heads up display? Can I access the top panel where wifi settings or other system related options can be accessed? Yes. As Luke mentioned (and it is a good point that I didn't take into account), wireless strength is not exposed. But you can access the panel, and looking for available wifis. The problem about knowing which one is the current selected was also fixed. Is the menu bar totally accessible? AFAIK yes. Any other advantage or prominent improvements over Gnome shell 3.4? Most of the UI was reviewed in order to check missing names and roles. GNOME Shell 3.4 was good enough to do some tests with orca in order to improve it. GNOME Shell 3.6 was the first usable version by orca users, imho. Right now, the only missing spots that I can remember right now (some of them already mentioned) are: * Wifi strengh, mentioned on this thread (I will create a bug about this shortly) * Laptop battery level (althought fwiw, it reads the remaining amount of time) bug#684464 * Volume level on the volume slider bug#648623 BR -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Luke, since you brought QT5 up, do you know if Razor-QT has the same level of accessibility as QT5 for Orca users? Thanks, Fernando On 04/24/2013 11:41 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:16:43PM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up display? Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? No it is not. I am surprised you use the HUD, because its not as accessible as it could be, and I find it gets in the way. Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell the right path to go for a long terms solution? If you want to use GNOME long term, then yes. Ubuntu will be moving away from the use of GNOME as part of its desktop, and will be using its own Qt based GUI. There will always be the GNOME remix, and I dare say once Ubuntu stops using GNOME completely, then you will see GNOME regularly up to date in future Ubuntu releases. Is it any faster in performance as compared to Unity? Its hard to compare that at the moment, given unity 3D is not fully accessible, and given that Unity is undergoing another rewrite to be Qt5 based. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
There is a search in the overview area. As you type, the names of applications and files that match your typing are displayed as push buttons. Hitting the 'enter' key when one of these is focused, opens the corresponding file or starts an application. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Can some one give me quick overview of the basic desktop navigation? How to use the application menu (some thing similar to alt + f1 in Ubuntu 12.04 unity)? Can I add (lock ) or unlock items from the launcher? What is the command for top panel access? Any other commands which I should know? happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/25/2013 07:18 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: There is a search in the overview area. As you type, the names of applications and files that match your typing are displayed as push buttons. Hitting the 'enter' key when one of these is focused, opens the corresponding file or starts an application. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Hello all, I wish to know if the Ubuntu 13.04 gnome edition is worth using for a complete daily desktop? As far as I can understand from the responses to my previous queries, many suggest that Unity is still as good as 12.04. But I understand that Gnome shell 3.6 is much more accessible than 3.4. Is this correct? If yes, then how good would it be as compared to Unity 2d? do we have some thing similar to heads up display? Can I access the top panel where wifi settings or other system related options can be accessed? Is the menu bar totally accessible? Any other advantage or prominent improvements over Gnome shell 3.4? I am a Unity 2d user, how big a learning curve it would be to switch over to Gnome 3.6? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:46:39AM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, I wish to know if the Ubuntu 13.04 gnome edition is worth using for a complete daily desktop? As far as I can understand from the responses to my previous queries, many suggest that Unity is still as good as 12.04. Thats not correct. Ubuntu 13.04 and 12.10 before it do not have Unity 2D, and Unity 3D is still not nearly as accessible as Unity 2D. There are still bugs with navigating the dash and the launcher, to the point where I would not recommend it for day to day use for most users. GNOME shell 3.6 is known to be quite usable. It is quite easy to be productive under GNOME shell 3.6, having almost everything at your fingertips. I don't think you get wireless network strength though, but I think thats a small sisue, and newer versions of the shell will likely have this fixed. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Hi, When I used a daily build of Ubuntu GNOME 13.04, from 2 days ago, I found that wireless signal strength and battery status were accessible. In my Opensuse installation, which has GNOME Shell 3.6, signal strength is not read, unless I use the fallback mode, but, Suse still has Orca 3.6.3, whereas Ubuntu 13.04 has Orca 3.8, and associated accessibility infrastructure. Best Regards, D. A. H. On 04/24/2013 06:54 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: Thats not correct. Ubuntu 13.04 and 12.10 before it do not have Unity 2D, and Unity 3D is still not nearly as accessible as Unity 2D. There are still bugs with navigating the dash and the launcher, to the point where I would not recommend it for day to day use for most users. GNOME shell 3.6 is known to be quite usable. It is quite easy to be productive under GNOME shell 3.6, having almost everything at your fingertips. I don't think you get wireless network strength though, but I think thats a small sisue, and newer versions of the shell will likely have this fixed. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 09:11:38AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, When I used a daily build of Ubuntu GNOME 13.04, from 2 days ago, I found that wireless signal strength and battery status were accessible. In my Opensuse installation, which has GNOME Shell 3.6, signal strength is not read, unless I use the fallback mode, but, Suse still has Orca 3.6.3, whereas Ubuntu 13.04 has Orca 3.8, and associated accessibility infrastructure. That makes sense then, and thats the problem with all these updates, they generally need to be made in lockstep. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up display? Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell the right path to go for a long terms solution? Is it any faster in performance as compared to Unity? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/25/2013 04:24 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:46:39AM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, I wish to know if the Ubuntu 13.04 gnome edition is worth using for a complete daily desktop? As far as I can understand from the responses to my previous queries, many suggest that Unity is still as good as 12.04. Thats not correct. Ubuntu 13.04 and 12.10 before it do not have Unity 2D, and Unity 3D is still not nearly as accessible as Unity 2D. There are still bugs with navigating the dash and the launcher, to the point where I would not recommend it for day to day use for most users. GNOME shell 3.6 is known to be quite usable. It is quite easy to be productive under GNOME shell 3.6, having almost everything at your fingertips. I don't think you get wireless network strength though, but I think thats a small sisue, and newer versions of the shell will likely have this fixed. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:16:43PM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up display? Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? No it is not. I am surprised you use the HUD, because its not as accessible as it could be, and I find it gets in the way. Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell the right path to go for a long terms solution? If you want to use GNOME long term, then yes. Ubuntu will be moving away from the use of GNOME as part of its desktop, and will be using its own Qt based GUI. There will always be the GNOME remix, and I dare say once Ubuntu stops using GNOME completely, then you will see GNOME regularly up to date in future Ubuntu releases. Is it any faster in performance as compared to Unity? Its hard to compare that at the moment, given unity 3D is not fully accessible, and given that Unity is undergoing another rewrite to be Qt5 based. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On 04/25/2013 08:11 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:16:43PM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up display? Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? No it is not. I am surprised you use the HUD, because its not as accessible as it could be, and I find it gets in the way. Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell the right path to go for a long terms solution? On 04/25/2013 08:11 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If you want to use GNOME long term, then yes. Ubuntu will be moving away from the use of GNOME as part of its desktop, and will be using its own Qt based GUI. There will always be the GNOME remix, and I dare say once Ubuntu stops using GNOME completely, then you will see GNOME regularly up to date in future Ubuntu releases. I did not quite get you. Hasn't Ubuntu already moved away from Gnome Shell? I guess there is an official remix with the Gnome shell? And I did not understand the relation between Gnome being regularly updated and Ubuntu moving away from it. And given that the Unity is going through a complete rewrite using QT5 would also imply that the entire accessibility infrastructure will be remade which won't make Unity totally accessible until next couple of years. Is that correct? Happy Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Luke, Just a quick response, Well I have been using HUD a lot and kind of like it. It does not come in my way as such. As a joke, let me tell you, I have not gone to the top panel of Unity 2d for quite some time to shut down the machine. I don't use it as well for selecting and connecting to my wifi or mobile broadband. All this works so well with HUD. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.On 04/25/2013 08:11 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:16:43PM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up display? Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? No it is not. I am surprised you use the HUD, because its not as accessible as it could be, and I find it gets in the way. Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell the right path to go for a long terms solution? If you want to use GNOME long term, then yes. Ubuntu will be moving away from the use of GNOME as part of its desktop, and will be using its own Qt based GUI. There will always be the GNOME remix, and I dare say once Ubuntu stops using GNOME completely, then you will see GNOME regularly up to date in future Ubuntu releases. Is it any faster in performance as compared to Unity? Its hard to compare that at the moment, given unity 3D is not fully accessible, and given that Unity is undergoing another rewrite to be Qt5 based. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
According to Krishnakant Mane: # Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up # display? # Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? I believe you are referring to the menu for your current application window that is available in Unity? Yes, GNOME-shell has this also, and 3.8 is an improvement of this feature over 3.6 even, with better integration of default applications. However, it seems that the transition is going a bit more slowly than it did in Unity. Many applications only have Quit up there. So far, it seems that Nautilus and possibly the terminal have done the most transition work there. It is to be expected that the applications that ship with GNOME will have made this transition more quickly and smoothly than other applications at this time. I am hoping this is maybe a freedesktop specification, however, so other applications will likely follow if this is the case. If you are referring to something different, ignore what I just wrote and indicate the specific features you need or behaviors you are expecting. # Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell # the right path to go for a long terms solution? I would definitely say yes at this point, especially since it is more widely used by virtue of the fact that it is available in more distros. Unity, although free software, is still primarily developed by Canonical, and is not included by default in any distro other than standard Ubuntu, meaning that overall, less resources are available for development at this time. # Is it any faster in performance as compared to Unity? I can't speak specifically to performance, since the only times I have used Unity recently have been on a very old machine and a virtual machine that had half my physical resources allocated to it. It seems a tiny bit less responsive to me, but that is to be expected given the circumstances. I haven't tested it on recent bare metal. Having said this, even if Unity and gnome-shell are exactly the same in terms of actual performance on hardware, I find gnome-shell to be faster from a productivity standpoint. I believe this is an opinion based on personal preference, but I seem to be able to navigate faster and do more in less time with gnome-shell than I could with Unity, and 3.8 has made a major improvement in that regard. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle? Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - The Amazing Evie -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
