Re: one more thing

2008-01-02 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Justin:

> trouble getting some reading that I wanted to work.  Apparently orca  
> does not go sentence by sentence and when I posted this reading  
> question to the orca list, I got a rather harsh reception from people  
> accusing me of having neglected reading the directions.

Some of this tends to reflect the list and/or specific individuals on 
the lists.  On the orca-list, we generally try to be constructive, and 
we also try to keep http://live.gnome.org/Orca up to date as we see 
questions being asked/answered.  In addition, we also work on making 
things more 'for dummies' friendly as we can.  We don't always succeed 
and questions do sometimes go unanswered, but anyone with a constructive 
outlook is welcome on the Orca list.

Will

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Re: one more thing

2007-12-23 Thread Justin Harford
Hello

I kind of see the utility of this idea, yet this, I think, would be  
the least of my worries speaking as a person who went through the  
process you describe.

I actually had no trouble installing linux with talking orca with the  
directions that I got from the website.  The trouble came after when  
it came to things like installing firefox 3.0 or making it so orca  
would not crash when I started playing audio.  I remember that I had  
trouble getting some reading that I wanted to work.  Apparently orca  
does not go sentence by sentence and when I posted this reading  
question to the orca list, I got a rather harsh reception from people  
accusing me of having neglected reading the directions.

Fact of the matter is, there is no cure for the command line.  If you  
use linux, you must use command line, and you may as well get a book  
and start reading because you won't get anything from a mailing list.

Perhaps they would do well to make a linux for dummies mailing list.   
What I think is going on within the linux community is you have these  
power users, though perhaps essentially aveage joes who migrated from  
windows and did so by spending hours upon hours of reading linux  
literature.  They are so fiercely proud of this accomplishment that  
they can't stand the idea of others taking up linux without passing  
the same struggle.  I admit I relate a bit with my experiences on the  
macvisionaries list.  More often than not, I have lately been tempted  
to send some snide remarks myself.  I can't believe the seemingly dumb  
questions people ask on the list that could be easily answered through  
a few seconds of research.  However, my shortlived experiences in the  
linux community and memories of my first experiences in mac os x have  
tought me the importance of not being that way on lists as it creates  
an extremely tense learning environment.  But that is just the trade  
you get.  You must choose between a list where everyone does their own  
research and answers their own questions, a list where newbies are  
shot down by proud power users, a list that is essentially useful to  
nobody if only as a source for update and development announcements,  
or a list where you can ask whatever and expect a good answer, whre yu  
see a lot of the same questions repeated and a bunch of dumb questions  
that you think should not have been posted at all, but a list that  
supports all and is essentially a good learning tool for all.

Regards
Justin Harford

My soul, do not seek eternal lifeā€¦
but exhaust the realm of the possible.
Pindar

On Dec 23, 2007, at 9:44 PM, mike coulombe wrote:

> Hi, I forgot, the idea I just mentioned would assume a person  
> already had orca running on the live CD, and I assume the script  
> would only be able to kill orca if the setting in orca was set to  
> exit with out conformation.
> Mike.
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one more thing

2007-12-23 Thread mike coulombe
Hi, I forgot, the idea I just mentioned would assume a person already had orca 
running on the live CD, and I assume the script would only be able to kill orca 
if the setting in orca was set to exit with out conformation.
Mike.

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