Re: orca out of the box
Hi, I have done the following and am using karmic without any hassles. in fact it's better than previous distros as far as responsiveness is concerned: #apt-get install alsa-oss #apt-get purge pulseaudio. Thanks, Aruni. On 12/11/2009 12:49 PM, Isaac Porat wrote: > Hello Arki and all > > Your reply implies that all is well, in fact those who tried speech with > Karmic knows that it is for all practical purposes unusable. It is my > impression that even geeks can't get it to work reliably PulseAudio is too > deeply embedded into the system and it seems that those looking after audio > in Canonical never considered the impact of this on the blind community. > There is a bold statement about accessibility on Ubuntu's website but it > seems to have no roots in reality at least with Karmic. > > Jaunty had at least a clean way to remove PulseAudio and in fact it is the > first distro I can use as a blind person productively - thanks to all > concerned. Karmic is completely the other way - unusable. > > Yes I am aware of the various tweaks with limited effect and completely > unworkable for the typical blind Windows or Mac user looking for an > alternative. >http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > When Karmic was released I thought this problem was a glitch, an oversight > which will be sorted out; there are no visible sighnes of this yet, at least > nothing that the blind community is aware of. > > Regards > Isaac > > > -Original Message- > From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Arky > Sent: 11 December 2009 05:30 > To: Josh; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: orca out of the box > > Hi Josh, > > Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca > screen reader and magnifier. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the% > 20Live%20CD > > Cheers > > --arky > > > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | > Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > > From: Josh > To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM > Subject: orca out of the box > > > Hi, > > I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it > should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the > live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more > like the mac with voiceover kind of. > > Josh > > My email address is: jkenn...@gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango > at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab > Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 > follow-me-on-twitter. > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage > <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_yyi_1/*http://in.yahoo.com/> . > > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca out of the box
Hi all, That's wonderful! We need all the help we can get. Right now Luke is doing most of the work. :( At this moment I am trying out various mainline kernels to get a glitch-free audio. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/479375 Somehow I haven't given up on Pulseaudio yet, we can try to get the performance on par with alsa/oss driver. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com - Original Message > From: Bill Cox > To: Isaac Porat > Cc: Arky ; Josh ; > ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 7:37:04 PM > Subject: Re: orca out of the box > > Hi, Arki, and thanks for working on the bugs. I think there are a few > of us who would like to help get Orca working well in Lucid. I've > installed alpha1, and have run into the pyatspi bug you know about. > Any help getting Orca working well is appreciated. I'm comfortable > debugging C code, but I don't understand the whole D-bus/atspi/COBRA > stuff at all, or even if that's where the bug lies. > > Another issue with continues to be pulseaudio. Disabling it with the > .pulse_a11y_nostart hack leads to far superior audio performance. Do > you think we have time to fix the pulseaudio problems for Lucid, or > should we focus on making the accessibility install with pulseaudio > disabled less buggy and more usable? I'd like to help track down bugs > in Lucid related to accessibility from now until the April release. > > Thanks, > Bill > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Isaac Porat wrote: > > Hello Arki and all > > > > Your reply implies that all is well, in fact those who tried speech with > > Karmic knows that it is for all practical purposes unusable. It is my > > impression that even geeks can't get it to work reliably PulseAudio is too > > deeply embedded into the system and it seems that those looking after audio > > in Canonical never considered the impact of this on the blind community. > > There is a bold statement about accessibility on Ubuntu's website but it > > seems to have no roots in reality at least with Karmic. > > > > Jaunty had at least a clean way to remove PulseAudio and in fact it is the > > first distro I can use as a blind person productively - thanks to all > > concerned. Karmic is completely the other way - unusable. > > > > Yes I am aware of the various tweaks with limited effect and completely > > unworkable for the typical blind Windows or Mac user looking for an > > alternative. > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > > When Karmic was released I thought this problem was a glitch, an oversight > > which will be sorted out; there are no visible sighnes of this yet, at least > > nothing that the blind community is aware of. > > > > Regards > > Isaac > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com > > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Arky > > Sent: 11 December 2009 05:30 > > To: Josh; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: orca out of the box > > > > Hi Josh, > > > > Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca > > screen reader and magnifier. > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the% > > 20Live%20CD > > > > Cheers > > > > --arky > > > > > > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | > > Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > > > > > >From: Josh > >To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > >Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM > >Subject: orca out of the box > > > > > >Hi, > > > >I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it > > should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the > > live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more > > like the mac with voiceover kind of. > > > >Josh > > > >My email address is: jkenn...@gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango > > at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab > > Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 > > follow-me-on-twitter. > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage > > . > > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca out of the box
Hi, Arki, and thanks for working on the bugs. I think there are a few of us who would like to help get Orca working well in Lucid. I've installed alpha1, and have run into the pyatspi bug you know about. Any help getting Orca working well is appreciated. I'm comfortable debugging C code, but I don't understand the whole D-bus/atspi/COBRA stuff at all, or even if that's where the bug lies. Another issue with continues to be pulseaudio. Disabling it with the .pulse_a11y_nostart hack leads to far superior audio performance. Do you think we have time to fix the pulseaudio problems for Lucid, or should we focus on making the accessibility install with pulseaudio disabled less buggy and more usable? I'd like to help track down bugs in Lucid related to accessibility from now until the April release. Thanks, Bill On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Isaac Porat wrote: > Hello Arki and all > > Your reply implies that all is well, in fact those who tried speech with > Karmic knows that it is for all practical purposes unusable. It is my > impression that even geeks can't get it to work reliably PulseAudio is too > deeply embedded into the system and it seems that those looking after audio > in Canonical never considered the impact of this on the blind community. > There is a bold statement about accessibility on Ubuntu's website but it > seems to have no roots in reality at least with Karmic. > > Jaunty had at least a clean way to remove PulseAudio and in fact it is the > first distro I can use as a blind person productively - thanks to all > concerned. Karmic is completely the other way - unusable. > > Yes I am aware of the various tweaks with limited effect and completely > unworkable for the typical blind Windows or Mac user looking for an > alternative. > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > When Karmic was released I thought this problem was a glitch, an oversight > which will be sorted out; there are no visible sighnes of this yet, at least > nothing that the blind community is aware of. > > Regards > Isaac > > > -Original Message- > From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Arky > Sent: 11 December 2009 05:30 > To: Josh; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: orca out of the box > > Hi Josh, > > Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca > screen reader and magnifier. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the% > 20Live%20CD > > Cheers > > --arky > > > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | > Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > > From: Josh > To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM > Subject: orca out of the box > > > Hi, > > I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it > should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the > live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more > like the mac with voiceover kind of. > > Josh > > My email address is: jkenn...@gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango > at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab > Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 > follow-me-on-twitter. > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage > <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_yyi_1/*http://in.yahoo.com/> . > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
RE: orca out of the box
Hello Arki and all
Your reply implies that all is well, in fact those who tried speech with
Karmic knows that it is for all practical purposes unusable. It is my
impression that even geeks can't get it to work reliably PulseAudio is too
deeply embedded into the system and it seems that those looking after audio
in Canonical never considered the impact of this on the blind community.
There is a bold statement about accessibility on Ubuntu's website but it
seems to have no roots in reality at least with Karmic.
Jaunty had at least a clean way to remove PulseAudio and in fact it is the
first distro I can use as a blind person productively - thanks to all
concerned. Karmic is completely the other way - unusable.
Yes I am aware of the various tweaks with limited effect and completely
unworkable for the typical blind Windows or Mac user looking for an
alternative.
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic
When Karmic was released I thought this problem was a glitch, an oversight
which will be sorted out; there are no visible sighnes of this yet, at least
nothing that the blind community is aware of.
Regards
Isaac
-Original Message-
From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Arky
Sent: 11 December 2009 05:30
To: Josh; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: orca out of the box
Hi Josh,
Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca
screen reader and magnifier.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the%
20Live%20CD
Cheers
--arky
Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org |
Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com
From: Josh
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM
Subject: orca out of the box
Hi,
I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it
should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the
live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more
like the mac with voiceover kind of.
Josh
My email address is: jkenn...@gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango
at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab
Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337
follow-me-on-twitter.
The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage
<http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_yyi_1/*http://in.yahoo.com/> .
--
Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list
Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: orca out of the box
Hi Josh, Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca screen reader and magnifier. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the%20Live%20CD Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > >From: Josh >To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM >Subject: orca out of the box > > > >Hi, > >I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd >starts up it should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to >start the live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make >it >more like the mac with voiceover kind of. > >Josh > >My email address is: jkenn...@gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at >www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab >Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 >>follow-me-on-twitter. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/-- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
orca out of the box
Hi, I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more like the mac with voiceover kind of. Josh My email address is: jkenn...@gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 follow-me-on-twitter. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
