Ubuntu 16.04 Braille users, please help test proposed BrlTTY update.
Hey folks. Further to the email I recently sent about a broken brlTTy package in Ubuntu 16.04, and the subsequent availability of a fixed package in the Ubuntu Accessibility dev PPA, I have submitted the fixed package as an update for 16.04. This fixed package is actually slightly better than what is in the PPA, because I discovered one small issue during testing when getting this update ready for submission. if you could please help test the update, feel free to go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1574538 and read through the bug. The last post contains instructions on how to test the proposed update. Once you have tested, please make sure you reply to the bug and indicate whether the updated package works for you. Do not forget to disable the proposed repository on your system once you have finished testing. I will be testing myself, but the more testers that can verify the update the better. Thanks in advance. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
test message - please ignore!
I'm just testing my new email server settings. Please ignore! -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca and KDE applications test. Users needed!!!
Hi Terry: KDE/Qt currently does not participate in the AT-SPI infrastructure and thus will be inaccessible via Orca. Work is underway to migrate AT-SPI from CORBA to D-Bus (see http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/ATK/AT-SPI/AT-SPI_on_D- Bus). When that is ready, the KDE/Qt work to support AT-SPI can begin. In the meantime, your best solution for free open source accessibility is GNOME. Hope this helps, Will On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:47 AM, Terry Jones wrote: ThankYou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello My name is Terry Jones. I am a programmer who has had double eye transplant surgery. I am 26. Ubuntu users a lot of them use both Gnome and KDE apps side by side. My default desktop is Gnome but I also use KDE as well. I have the full kde 3.5.9 desktop installed. I am testing Orca in 8.04.1 LTS Hardy Heron. I need a set of users to volunteer to test Orca with KDE 3.5 apps and KDE 4 Apps and report back to the mailing list how Orca worked and did not work with these apps. I tested the following applications. 1. Konqueror (Web Browser) 2. Amerok(Music Player) 3. Kontact (Personal Information Manager) In my early tests so far I found Orca was blind to KDE apps. That means Orca could not preform the following tesks. 1. Read aloud the keyboard strokes inside a KDE app and output a voice as feedback to inform the user of their input. 2. Could not tell the user when they closed a KDE app. 3. When reading a list of open apps and the apps are not minized to the taskbar the KDE apps would get skipped over. A. Please include the following in your reponse. 1. Name of volunteer. 2. Disability 3. The version Ubuntu/Kubuntu you are using. 4. The version of Gnome/KDE you are using. 5. Name of the application. 6. What did you want Orca to do? 7. How Orca worked. 8. How Orca did not work. B. Sample reponse 1. Name of volunteer. Terry Jones 2. Disability. Low vision 3. The version Ubuntu/Kubuntu you are using. Hardy Herdy Heron 8.04.1 LTS 4. The version of Gnome/KDE you are using. Gnome 2.24 KDE 3.5.9 5. Name of the application. Konqueror(Web Browser) 6. What did you want Orca to do? Read the current web page. 7. How Orca worked. Did not work at all. 8. How Orca did not work. Could not get Orca to read a web page in Konqueror. Please help so we can make Ubuntu's accessibilty work for all users and make the next version of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu even better. Please use this mailing list to post results of your experences in this effort. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 35, Issue 21 > To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:00:08 + > > Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New developer (Tomas Cerha) > 2. Problem with Orca (Alain Joly) > 3. about the usb creator (mike) > 4. Re: Problem with Orca (Hammer Attila) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:36:39 +0100 > From: Tomas Cerha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: New developer > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Tom Lloyd wrote: > > Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using Ubuntu for= > > three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from the UK trained in Emb= > > edded / Realtime systems. As a side project I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu= > > ntu to gives access to the MS speech engines using speech dispatcher. > > Hello Tom, > > This sounds exciting. It might be an interesting option and I'd like to > invite you to discuss this on the Speech Dispatcher mailing list, since > similar ideas have been already touched there. > > Best regards, > > Tomas > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:32:30 +0100 (CET) > From: Alain Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Problem with Orca > To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > Message
Orca and KDE applications test. Users needed!!!
ThankYou [EMAIL PROTECTED] My name is Terry Jones. I am a programmer who has had double eye transplant surgery. I am 26. Ubuntu users a lot of them use both Gnome and KDE apps side by side. My default desktop is Gnome but I also use KDE as well. I have the full kde 3.5.9 desktop installed. I am testing Orca in 8.04.1 LTS Hardy Heron. I need a set of users to volunteer to test Orca with KDE 3.5 apps and KDE 4 Apps and report back to the mailing list how Orca worked and did not work with these apps. I tested the following applications. 1. Konqueror (Web Browser) 2. Amerok(Music Player) 3. Kontact (Personal Information Manager) In my early tests so far I found Orca was blind to KDE apps. That means Orca could not preform the following tesks. 1. Read aloud the keyboard strokes inside a KDE app and output a voice as feedback to inform the user of their input. 2. Could not tell the user when they closed a KDE app. 3. When reading a list of open apps and the apps are not minized to the taskbar the KDE apps would get skipped over. A. Please include the following in your reponse. 1. Name of volunteer. 2. Disability 3. The version Ubuntu/Kubuntu you are using. 4. The version of Gnome/KDE you are using. 5. Name of the application. 6. What did you want Orca to do? 7. How Orca worked. 8. How Orca did not work. B. Sample reponse 1. Name of volunteer. Terry Jones 2. Disability. Low vision 3. The version Ubuntu/Kubuntu you are using. Hardy Herdy Heron 8.04.1 LTS 4. The version of Gnome/KDE you are using. Gnome 2.24 KDE 3.5.9 5. Name of the application. Konqueror(Web Browser) 6. What did you want Orca to do? Read the current web page. 7. How Orca worked. Did not work at all. 8. How Orca did not work.Could not get Orca to read a web page in Konqueror. Please help so we can make Ubuntu's accessibilty work for all users and make the next version of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu even better. Please use this mailing list to post results of your experences in this effort.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 35, Issue 21> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:00:08 +> > Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to> ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You can reach the person managing the list at> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: New developer (Tomas Cerha)> 2. Problem with Orca (Alain Joly)> 3. about the usb creator (mike)> 4. Re: Problem with Orca (Hammer Attila)> > > --> > Message: 1> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:36:39 +0100> From: Tomas Cerha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: New developer> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Tom Lloyd wrote:> > Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using Ubuntu for=> > three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from the UK trained in Emb=> > edded / Realtime systems. As a side project I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu=> > ntu to gives access to the MS speech engines using speech dispatcher.> > Hello Tom,> > This sounds exciting. It might be an interesting option and I'd like to> invite you to discuss this on the Speech Dispatcher mailing list, since> similar ideas have been already touched there.> > Best regards,> > Tomas> > > > --> > Message: 2> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:32:30 +0100 (CET)> From: Alain Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Problem with Orca> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii> > Hello all,> I would like first apologize if I sent a message to the wrong list.> I'm French and I have perhaps not understood the real subject of this list.> Please, if I'm wrong, could you give me a mailing list where I couldsubscribe ?> For now I will try to quickly explain my problem.> I'm a new Ubuntu user and also a new linux user.> My configuration :> Ubuntu version : 8.04 Hardy Heron> Mother board : Asustek> video : NVIDIA 128 Mb> RAM : 1.5 G
new (fresh) reinstall test for brltty at Ubuntu (confirm: problem in Ubuntu not in brltty)
Hi Dave, hi everybody, sorry for my long absence and silence since a few days ago, I don't forgot you, I simply have been busy. Even if I wrote all your mails, I tried today to REinstall a fresh Ubuntu 8.04.1 distro (desktop version) on my Asus laptop. These are the new results of my experience: How do I proceeded ? - the CD starts up and points me for the desired language; at that point I do 1x right.arr and 5x down.arr for Dutch, & enter - with F3 and in this case 4x left.arr I choose for Belgian keyboard, enter (1st BUG observed, see below) - now I switch to F5 + 4x down.arr for selecting braille, enter - and F6 where I enter: brltty=al,usb:,de then I press enter: Ubuntu live starts up and I got braille with the right table at the end of that process, except (bug nr2) that it asked for re-entering the model and device before he REALLY started-up. Now I didn't found the Install button, so my partner started the real installer using the mouse; in fact at that moment Orca is completely blind and can't follow: no braille no voice (bug nr3). After finishing installation, Ubuntu was rebooted and I got *no braille* (bug nr4, see below): I will attach here the reasons (/the right files) so everybody can see that there is a real BIG problem in Ubuntu Hardy. Finally, I encountered again the "braille=ask" bug in Grub's menu.lst (bug nr5). How did I fixed that ? - first by opening blindly a console, running a killall brltty, then restarting brltty with -b al -d usb: -t de to check if it worked, and he did! - then I edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to suppress that absurd / uncomprehensive and totally blindUNfriendly "braille=ask" - and finally I edited /etc/brltty.conf to correct the device line who was *and still is* completely wrong and unusable, see attached file. - I also checked if /etc/default/brltty was OK, and it said "Yes" so that is OK. Bugs: 1: you may do and redo your kbd selection, each time you leave F3 then press F3 again, it resets itself to US keyboard. 2: why asking for brl type and dev since you already choosed it in F5 and entered by the way your params in F6 ? 3: no braille nor speech during installation even when having braille in the started live CD... 4: no braille due to a wrongly edited /etc/brltty.conf file by Ubuntu itself, cf. attach, and read please the line above, its clearly mentionned what/who did that... + brltty.conf.orig is already present and is the template but Ubuntu doesn't touched that template, it only dropped a 2 à 3 lines wrong config-file instead... 5: braille=ask in menu.lst causes a major problem when rebooting the system blindly; I attached that menu.lst file created by Ubntu itself. Fixing now! Is someone here familiar enough with Launchpad and other Bugzilla services to help with reporting the problems to the right person at the right place: five bugs are more than enough IMHO to urge for fixing it and asking for adding the fixes in the next LTS 8.04.2 CD. Grtnx, and once again sorry for delay. Osvaldo La Rosa. # Created by /lib/brltty/brltty.sh braille-driver al braille-device usb: text-table de # corrected by me # Created by /lib/brltty/brltty.sh braille-driver al braille-device serial:ttyUSBusb: # built by Ubuntu itself ... and completely wrong # This is a configuration file template for the BRLTTY application. # Uncomment those entries which apply to your personal needs and system # requirements. # BRLTTY expects to find its configuration file in "/etc/brltty.conf" # (can be overridden with the -f [--configuration-file=] option). # If it doesn't exist, then BRLTTY silently continues but may require # that certain command line options be explicitly supplied. # Blank lines are ignored. The character '#', anywhere on a line, # initiates a comment; all characters from it to the end of that line # are ignored. # Each configuration entry consists of a keyword followed by its operand. # An arbitrary amount of white space, (blanks and/or tabs), may occur # before the keyword, as well as before and after the operand. Keyword # processing is not case sensitive. Examples of valid entries are: # # Braille-Driver pm # Papenmeier braille displays. # braille-device serial: # The first serial device. # SPEECH-DRIVER fv # The Festival Text to Speech System. # The default settings given within the following descriptions assume no # special build options (see "./configure --help" in the top-level # directory of the source tree. # Generic Braille Settings # # The braille-driver directive specifies the two-letter driver # identification code of the driver for the braille display. # If not specified, autodetection will be performed. # (can be overridden with the -b [--braille-driver=] option) #braille-driver auto# autodetect #braille-driver al # Alva #braille-driver at # Albatross #braille-driver ba # BrlAPI
Re: test
Josh wrote: > Hi, > > Are my messages coming through? > > Josh > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AOL: kutztownstudent > skype: jkenn337 > > > I got your message via my e-mail client, so it seems all is well. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
test
Hi, Are my messages coming through? Josh email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: kutztownstudent skype: jkenn337 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: FW: High Contrast GDM theme -- please test
Ian Pascoe wrote: > Hi Henrick > > Thanks for working on this - unfortunately I'm back on my windows PC at the > moment as the HD with Ubuntu on has had a terminal hiccup. > > Is there a keyboard method for installing the new theme? > > Oh, and white writing on black for me please. > > Not quite sure how you'd install it from the command line. Anyway there is also a white-on-black version here now (thanks Stéphane!): http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/temp/ and there are some screen shots. Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
FW: High Contrast GDM theme -- please test
Hi Henrick Thanks for working on this - unfortunately I'm back on my windows PC at the moment as the HD with Ubuntu on has had a terminal hiccup. Is there a keyboard method for installing the new theme? Oh, and white writing on black for me please. Many Thanks Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Henrik Nilsen Omma Sent: 03 December 2006 17:34 To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Cc: Stéphane Marguet Subject: High Contrast GDM theme -- please test Hi all, As part of our efforts at making the login screen more accessible we have prepared a high contrast GDM theme. Stéphane Marguet (on CC) has implemented a black-on-white theme with large fonts and high contrast icons. Please help test it! You can download it from here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/temp/ To install it just drag it to the theme section of the Login Window dialog (found in System -> Administration) What else would be useful? Perhaps a white-on-black or yellow-on-blue version? Are the fonts clear enough or should they be larger? One known issue is that the fonts in the 'Sessions' dialog are still standard size Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
High Contrast GDM theme -- please test
Hi all, As part of our efforts at making the login screen more accessible we have prepared a high contrast GDM theme. Stéphane Marguet (on CC) has implemented a black-on-white theme with large fonts and high contrast icons. Please help test it! You can download it from here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/temp/ To install it just drag it to the theme section of the Login Window dialog (found in System -> Administration) What else would be useful? Perhaps a white-on-black or yellow-on-blue version? Are the fonts clear enough or should they be larger? One known issue is that the fonts in the 'Sessions' dialog are still standard size Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
[Bug 37270] Re: The test-speech tool is not included with gnome-speech
This is fixed now. ** Changed in: gnome-speech (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress => Fix Released -- The test-speech tool is not included with gnome-speech https://launchpad.net/bugs/37270 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Live CD with AT features: first test
Luke Yelavich wrote: Again, I missed a few things here and there, and some typos. Thats what you get when you are under a little time pressure to get something in ASAP after feature freeze. :) I do remember that being a bit hectic :) I must say you've done an amazing job putting this stuff together though, Luke. Three cheers for Luke! As for zoom, that is an easy fix. However, I am just about ready to give up on trying to get gnopernicus to play nice with magnification window values. It simply will NOT pay attention to the default settings that are given in the gconf schema file included with the package. If you can send me some details (the gconf settings used) I can contact upstream and see if they can be of any help. One of the problems with this whole thing is that it is not possible to determine the display size of the user's screen, and set according to that. Right, that might need some fresh parsing code (to read xorg.conf), which may not be worth it since magnification seems likely to change greatly soon. However, almost anything seems better than the current default. Where is it getting it from, can we hard code something different? I'd be comfortable with assuming a 1024x768 monitor at this point and setting the window on the lower half of that. Should work fairly well for most as a start. Once we get all the settings worked out, I intend to put Espresso through its paces with speech, just to see whether everything is accessible. Yep, that needs testing. I ran it through at-poke yesterday. It does contain the text strings, but beyond that I don't really know what information it should present or how. None of the window elements had any descriptions associated with it. Most of which are my typos. :) I would like to only have to push one or two more revisions through, including one with the appropriate background colour and cursor size set. Cool, rock! - Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Live CD with AT features: first test
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 11:40:08AM EST, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 08:58:58PM EST, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > > * It would be nice to also add the key modifier notification panel applet > > Will get this implemented, thanks. Do we want this applet for the gok profile as well? Or does gok display that information? -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 18444344 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Live CD with AT features: first test
On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 08:58:58PM EST, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > > Finally the AT stuff has landed on the standard live CD! Yay! > > I did a quick test of the 5 different modes. The packages seem to be > there but some tweaking will be needed. As expected. I wasn't certain that everything would work straight away. > == High contrast mode == > > * It starts up directly with HC icons > * However it's not using the full HC theme > * It should have a large font and HC widgets > * We should select a plain background > * Some icons are missing (known issue) > > The full HC theme is actually installed and can be activated with a few > clicks, so it should be a minor configuration issue. Turns out I made a typo in the gconf setting code. Will update the bug accordingly once I have tested the fix. > == Magnifier == > > * It is installed, but not enabled by default > * You have to enable it an log out+in, then it works > * It has 8x zoom by default; I think we agreed to go with 4x? > * It has the poor standard magnifier placement of 320, 0, 639, 479 > * I think we agreed to place it at the bottom of the screen > > After tweaking the setup a bit, it seems to run well, following the > cursor and all that. Again, I missed a few things here and there, and some typos. Thats what you get when you are under a little time pressure to get something in ASAP after feature freeze. :) As for zoom, that is an easy fix. However, I am just about ready to give up on trying to get gnopernicus to play nice with magnification window values. It simply will NOT pay attention to the default settings that are given in the gconf schema file included with the package. Why it sets the zoom correctly, but not the display size, I don't know. This is all starting to get very frustrating. One of the problems with this whole thing is that it is not possible to determine the display size of the user's screen, and set according to that. We may have to go back to the drawing borad for this one, at least the mag window size. > == Screen reader == > > * Installed, but not activated by default (as above) > * More seriously, I could not get it to speak > * ESD is disabled as it should be Missing settings, again. Will update bug once fix is tested and working. > == Keyboard enhancements == > > * Starts up on boot and works perfectly as expected > * It would be nice to also add the key modifier notification panel applet Will get this implemented, thanks. > == On screen keyboard == > > * Won't start -- from the terminal it crashes with an error > * It runs fine on my installed dapper system though, so there is hope I am getting the same behavior here. Something about receiving an X window system error. I guess the next thing to try is a fresh install, to see if the same thing happens. Other than that, we might need to debug it. > == Other == > > * Dasher is also installed by default > * Espresso seems to work well with the HC theme; I did not test it > with the other tools Once we get all the settings worked out, I intend to put Espresso through its paces with speech, just to see whether everything is accessible. > I'll write this up more properly later in the wiki and start filing bugs > and looking for solutions ... Most of which are my typos. :) I would like to only have to push one or two more revisions through, including one with the appropriate background colour and cursor size set. The biggest problem as mentioned above, is getting gnopernicus to play nice with settings that we give it. I remember it working properly with previous releases, but since I submitted the patch, there has been a new upstream release, which could have broken something. Thanks Henrik for testing. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 18444344 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: The problem is in /etc/hosts (was, Re: Live CD with AT features: first test)
Al Puzzuoli wrote: it appears that the gnome-speech issue on the live cd is related to the /etc/hosts file. For whatever reason, the one on the live cd is by default, formatted differently than the one that is created for an actual installed version of Ubuntu. I was able to get gnopernicus talking by replacing the /etc/hosts on the cd with the following: 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.1.1 ubuntu.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. ubuntu # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback fe00::0 ip6-localnet ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix ff02::1 ip6-allnodes ff02::2 ip6-allrouters ff02::3 ip6-allhosts Cool! Thanks for digging into this. I've posted a bug report here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/39865 and included your solution. Hopefully the fix will find its way onto the official CDs in short order. - Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
The problem is in /etc/hosts (was, Re: Live CD with AT features: first test)
Hello Henrik it appears that the gnome-speech issue on the live cd is related to the /etc/hosts file. For whatever reason, the one on the live cd is by default, formatted differently than the one that is created for an actual installed version of Ubuntu. I was able to get gnopernicus talking by replacing the /etc/hosts on the cd with the following: 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.1.1 ubuntu.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. ubuntu # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback fe00::0 ip6-localnet ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix ff02::1 ip6-allnodes ff02::2 ip6-allrouters ff02::3 ip6-allhosts Hope this is of some use. --Al - Original Message - From: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Live CD with AT features: first test Al Puzzuoli wrote: Hello Henrik, I'm attempting to troubleshoot the speech related issues you mentioned and thus far, I have one observation and one question. 1. It appears that test-speech is not being installed as part of gnome-speech on the live cd. I remember this issue was discussed a few weeks back, and I thought that it was fixed, at least in the gnome-speech available from the repository. Hm, yes I noticed that as well. We should just report that as a bug against gnome-speech. ( I was trying to get orca running, on my installed system but was blocked by this). Ah, I see Luke has already filed it :) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-speech/+bug/37270 2. For purposes of troubleshooting I'm looking at how to set up a persistent file system. There is a nice wiki on doing this at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDPersistence The procedure seems simple enough, but my question is that according to the wiki, to enable persistence, you need to press f6 at the boot menu, and att the persistent boot parameter. If it isn't already, could that parameter be included by default when booting with accessibility, or would doing so break things if a persistent file system were actually not present? I happened to see a bug today claiming that persistence is quite complex to use. Yeah, I don't know what implications turning it on by default would have if you didn't have a USB stick or whatever attached. I guess it's easy to find out :) (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/34169) I'm weary of trying to add this now, way past feature freeze. It is possible to select an F5 option and then add more with F6 right? - Henrik -- http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.theopencd.org -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Live CD with AT features: first test
Al Puzzuoli wrote: Hello Henrik, I'm attempting to troubleshoot the speech related issues you mentioned and thus far, I have one observation and one question. 1. It appears that test-speech is not being installed as part of gnome-speech on the live cd. I remember this issue was discussed a few weeks back, and I thought that it was fixed, at least in the gnome-speech available from the repository. Hm, yes I noticed that as well. We should just report that as a bug against gnome-speech. ( I was trying to get orca running, on my installed system but was blocked by this). Ah, I see Luke has already filed it :) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-speech/+bug/37270 2. For purposes of troubleshooting I'm looking at how to set up a persistent file system. There is a nice wiki on doing this at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDPersistence The procedure seems simple enough, but my question is that according to the wiki, to enable persistence, you need to press f6 at the boot menu, and att the persistent boot parameter. If it isn't already, could that parameter be included by default when booting with accessibility, or would doing so break things if a persistent file system were actually not present? I happened to see a bug today claiming that persistence is quite complex to use. Yeah, I don't know what implications turning it on by default would have if you didn't have a USB stick or whatever attached. I guess it's easy to find out :) (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/34169) I'm weary of trying to add this now, way past feature freeze. It is possible to select an F5 option and then add more with F6 right? - Henrik -- http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.theopencd.org -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Live CD with AT features: first test
Hello Henrik, I'm attempting to troubleshoot the speech related issues you mentioned and thus far, I have one observation and one question. 1. It appears that test-speech is not being installed as part of gnome-speech on the live cd. I remember this issue was discussed a few weeks back, and I thought that it was fixed, at least in the gnome-speech available from the repository. 2. For purposes of troubleshooting I'm looking at how to set up a persistent file system. There is a nice wiki on doing this at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDPersistence The procedure seems simple enough, but my question is that according to the wiki, to enable persistence, you need to press f6 at the boot menu, and att the persistent boot parameter. If it isn't already, could that parameter be included by default when booting with accessibility, or would doing so break things if a persistent file system were actually not present? Thanks, --Al - Original Message - From: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:58 AM Subject: Live CD with AT features: first test Finally the AT stuff has landed on the standard live CD! Yay! I did a quick test of the 5 different modes. The packages seem to be there but some tweaking will be needed. == High contrast mode == * It starts up directly with HC icons * However it's not using the full HC theme * It should have a large font and HC widgets * We should select a plain background * Some icons are missing (known issue) The full HC theme is actually installed and can be activated with a few clicks, so it should be a minor configuration issue. == Magnifier == * It is installed, but not enabled by default * You have to enable it an log out+in, then it works * It has 8x zoom by default; I think we agreed to go with 4x? * It has the poor standard magnifier placement of 320, 0, 639, 479 * I think we agreed to place it at the bottom of the screen After tweaking the setup a bit, it seems to run well, following the cursor and all that. == Screen reader == * Installed, but not activated by default (as above) * More seriously, I could not get it to speak * ESD is disabled as it should be == Keyboard enhancements == * Starts up on boot and works perfectly as expected * It would be nice to also add the key modifier notification panel applet == On screen keyboard == * Won't start -- from the terminal it crashes with an error * It runs fine on my installed dapper system though, so there is hope == Other == * Dasher is also installed by default * Espresso seems to work well with the HC theme; I did not test it with the other tools I'll write this up more properly later in the wiki and start filing bugs and looking for solutions ... - Henrik -- http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.theopencd.org -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Live CD with AT features: first test
Finally the AT stuff has landed on the standard live CD! Yay! I did a quick test of the 5 different modes. The packages seem to be there but some tweaking will be needed. == High contrast mode == * It starts up directly with HC icons * However it's not using the full HC theme * It should have a large font and HC widgets * We should select a plain background * Some icons are missing (known issue) The full HC theme is actually installed and can be activated with a few clicks, so it should be a minor configuration issue. == Magnifier == * It is installed, but not enabled by default * You have to enable it an log out+in, then it works * It has 8x zoom by default; I think we agreed to go with 4x? * It has the poor standard magnifier placement of 320, 0, 639, 479 * I think we agreed to place it at the bottom of the screen After tweaking the setup a bit, it seems to run well, following the cursor and all that. == Screen reader == * Installed, but not activated by default (as above) * More seriously, I could not get it to speak * ESD is disabled as it should be == Keyboard enhancements == * Starts up on boot and works perfectly as expected * It would be nice to also add the key modifier notification panel applet == On screen keyboard == * Won't start -- from the terminal it crashes with an error * It runs fine on my installed dapper system though, so there is hope == Other == * Dasher is also installed by default * Espresso seems to work well with the HC theme; I did not test it with the other tools I'll write this up more properly later in the wiki and start filing bugs and looking for solutions ... - Henrik -- http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.theopencd.org -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
[Bug 37270] The test-speech tool is not included with gnome-speech
Public bug report changed: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/37270 Task: ubuntu gnome-speech Assignee: (unassigned) => Accessibility Comment: CC the ubuntu-accessibility list. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
BBC news article on offer to test websites
Hello all, Seems the BBC is reporting that the Usablility Exchange is offering to test websites for accessiblity. Shall we take them up on it? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4816118.stm Corey -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Test gnome-mag packages available.
Jason Grieves wrote: 1) the settings window often gets hidden under the magnification window, might want to close gnome-mag and see if it is there. Also magnifier can be invoked from the command line with magnifier. magnifier --help should discuss all parameters. Hm. This should be fixable. At least our initial default settings should be set to avoid this. Could not the gnopernicus main window be set to appear in the opposite corner of the magnification area? 2) sounds like a bug? Can you get a screenshot? Right, so I've put a screenshot here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/Screenshot-ZoomerOptions.png but basically you can see that it has chosen to set itself at x1=320 x2=639 y1=0 y2=479 My display is set to 1280x800 (which I guess gnopernicus should be able to read out). 3) you need to bring in another screen for gnome-mag to correctly utilize the full magnification ability. This can be accomplished through a dummy screen driver or an extra vid card. I have dual head on my card (d-sub + dvi) and an extra screen so I should be able to set this up. However I guess it's not what were aiming for with the default install on the Live CD. Considering what we know about the default behavior of gnopernicus and the default layout of the ubuntu desktop I suggest we tell the magnifier to start with the zoom window on the right-hand side of the display. Two reasons for this: We don't risk covering the Applications et al. menus and the gnopernicus settings window would tend to appear in the top left area on an otherwise empty desktop. So the settings should be: x1 = DisplayWidth/2 x2 = DiplayWidth y1 = 24 y2 = DisplayHeight-24 Where I've taken the gnome-panel bars to be 24px high top and bottom. When I do that on my system it seems to boot into a usable setup. - Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
RE: Test gnome-mag packages available.
Hi, Those are some of the limitations of the gnome-mag package. 1) the settings window often gets hidden under the magnification window, might want to close gnome-mag and see if it is there. Also magnifier can be invoked from the command line with magnifier. magnifier --help should discuss all parameters. 2) sounds like a bug? Can you get a screenshot? 3) you need to bring in another screen for gnome-mag to correctly utilize the full magnification ability. This can be accomplished through a dummy screen driver or an extra vid card. I've had the chance to continue working on my gnome-mag review/guide. I'm up to like 4-5 pages now. Jason Grieves -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Henrik Nilsen Omma Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:26 AM To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Test gnome-mag packages available. Luke Yelavich wrote: > Hi all > I have made test gnome-mag packages available, with XDamage and XFixes > extensions properly included and. Please test this, as it would be good > to have a smoother running magnifier in split and full screen modes. > Cool! It installs and runs well for me. It seems responsive enough, though I don't have much experience with magnifiers. There are also some issues: 1. I don't get a gnopernicus settings window so I can't change settings. 2. The magnification window only fills part of the screen. If you cut the screen in 8 sections, 4 wide and 2 high, my magnifier appears in the top row, second column. I have a wide screen display though, so that might be the cause. 3. It doesn't magnify stuff that is hidden under the magnification area. Other than that, it seems to track the cursor quite well. I'm running i386 dapper on an AMD64 system. - Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Test gnome-mag packages available.
Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: 1. I don't get a gnopernicus settings window so I can't change settings. Update: the panel was hiding under the magnification area :) I'll now play with some settings and report back ... - Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Test gnome-mag packages available.
Luke Yelavich wrote: Hi all I have made test gnome-mag packages available, with XDamage and XFixes extensions properly included and. Please test this, as it would be good to have a smoother running magnifier in split and full screen modes. Cool! It installs and runs well for me. It seems responsive enough, though I don't have much experience with magnifiers. There are also some issues: 1. I don't get a gnopernicus settings window so I can't change settings. 2. The magnification window only fills part of the screen. If you cut the screen in 8 sections, 4 wide and 2 high, my magnifier appears in the top row, second column. I have a wide screen display though, so that might be the cause. 3. It doesn't magnify stuff that is hidden under the magnification area. Other than that, it seems to track the cursor quite well. I'm running i386 dapper on an AMD64 system. - Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Test gnome-mag packages available.
Hi all I have made test gnome-mag packages available, with XDamage and XFixes extensions properly included and. Please test this, as it would be good to have a smoother running magnifier in split and full screen modes. Add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file. deb http://www.themuso.com/ubuntu/accessibility/ dapper main universe deb-src http://www.themuso.com/ubuntu/accessibility/ dapper main universe Packages are available for i386 and powerpc, as well as source. Just a note that I will be adding various packages that I am working on to this repo over time, so that we can all give them some good testing for inclusion in the next release/a derivative. Enjoy. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 18444344 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
