Re: [ubuntu-art] wiki vs. groupware vs. whatever
On 7/20/05, kori mendocino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i believe that while the wiki is great for what it has been used up to > now at the ubuntu site, both for development and help, but i really > think that it is not the best platform for a team like ours, with the > goals and projects that we are to work on. > > maybe we should do some voting about this one? We're probably not ready for a vote yet, as we don't even know what kind of hardware we're getting. If it's hosting a public facing art website and our (slightly) more private art team CVS/whatever, adding some sort of full-fledged groupware app on top of that might fry our machine. Now, if we get a dual-Xeon machine with a terabyte of storage and two gig of RAM, that might be different. :o) I need to scan through the emails again and try to figure out the best time for our first meeting on IRC. I'm thinking possibly as soon as Friday or Saturday, or into next week if we can't get everyone there on that short of notice. BTW, we've been hanging out in #ubuntu-artwork on freenode.net, but someone suggested we use #ubuntu-meeting for our meeting. It doesn't really matter to me (our IRC channel is now being logged by fabbione), but we may need to reserve the latter choice. I'd rather not be discussing pixels and alpha channels alongside some deep programming discussion, ya know? :o) -- Aaron Ubuntu SVG Artwork - www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu --- Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere. ~ G.K. Chesterton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Icon feedback
Hi ! Here is my review of the current icon theme after a few days of use :) So i'll start with what i found especially nice :) no particular order. * the theme is overal quite illustration oriented, i like the fact that the icons for documents are like stamps, they have a nice white border with some pretty illustrations. The fact that every document icon follow these theme give an "unity". I also like the fact that the illustrations doesn't show the program icon or pointless text, but a more symbolic picture. *the colors are vivid and help a lot in quickly identifying the icon meaning. Question : does these colors have any meaning, like "blue = media" "gray= generic icon" "red= executable" It looks like they don't, but maybe would it be nice to think about that ? Here is now what i didn't liked :( no particular order. *I don't understand why the video files doesn't follow the same rules as the other documents. why doesn't they have the white borders ? *the "gnome-fs-shared" and alike have icons that looks like servers, it is quite confusing since they doesn't automatically point at servers, they mostly point at "shared folders" In every other theme they use a variation of the folder icon, i find it nicer and more logical that way. It is especially nicer that way in the "network server" directory, where there is real servers and shared folders mixed. *Sometimes the icons are too "shiny/glossy/plastic/KDE-ish/Linspired/etc..." It doesnt fit well with the GTK theme. I don't know what will be the next metacity theme, i read that it will be a variation of clearlooks, wich isn't glossy at all. The too shiny icons also doesn't fit well with the third party applications icons. - Specifically the folder icon, gaim icon, firefox icon, are looking too shiny. * I, _personally_ , don't really like the folders and compressed folders icons. the folder icon is too shiny and has a color that doesn't go well with alternatives desktop background. the open box for the compressed folder has a too "complex" shape, and the colors have the same issues. To make things more clear i tried to change the icons to my taste. You can take this "patch" as a proposal, as ideas, or whatever you like :) www.mentalwarp.com/~fred/divers/humility-fred-contrib2.zip - Fred - efbie - -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] wiki vs. groupware vs. whatever
i believe that while the wiki is great for what it has been used up to now at the ubuntu site, both for development and help, but i really think that it is not the best platform for a team like ours, with the goals and projects that we are to work on. maybe we should do some voting about this one? -- blr.cult.bg - cyberpunk unpublishable art by the young in soul. forget the cyber. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hi and a suggestion
Hi there.. And now, my 5 cents ;o) I also think that a groupware PERHAPS would be a good solution for productive teamworking. And I personally feel that wikis are a little bit hyped - for such projects like Wikipedia or projects where its only important to provide information its great, but for projects like this it is more productive not only to provide the information in a structured manner, but also have tools to set some sort of goals, show the progress of this goals, have a calendar etc. So I also would prefer a groupware. But because of the nature of Ubuntu, it should be definetly be open source! BUT.. We are no closed group of people, i would prefer something like "phpGroupWare" etc., but its clear we want to be a open group! And second, these groupware solutions are really overloaded. In that fact the wiki again makes sense.. Perhaps we will find something, that gives us the best of both worlds.. Or we have to do a individual thing, like a more structurized wiki plus a useful project list/calendar/overview - thing :o) Perhaps somebody knows sth. other.. (Apropos, how does this Ubuntu "Launchpad" - thing work?) Nevertheless, the product you mentioned, Matt, looks very good. I set up an 5-minutes-set-up-example here: http://ubuntu-artwork.seework.com Its nice! If it only were open source & not so limited, that would be a option! But something in that direction would be great. Gallery is a great piece of software, but what we need is more than a place where we can look what nice wallpapers we can produce. The idea to do something like kde-look.org is not bad - but there is a more fiiting example: www.kde-artists.org And, by the way, the domain www.gnome-artists.org is still available! What do you think about the idea to register this domain, and put that and the new upcoming ubuntu-artwork subdomain together, and build the page like www.kde-artists.org? But.. I'm again writing too much - sorry! :o) See/read ya, Markus. Am Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2005 19:02 schrieb Nicholas: > On a communal level, I think your reasons, Jane, are good ones for > sticking with wiki. I'm not sure of it's technical limitations, but I'm > sure there would always be a better tool no matter what we were using. > Let's do it 'Ubuntu Style'. > > Besides, I'm new to using wiki (Aaron's stupendous korgaseries.org is > using one for my gear schematics:D ) and would love to get my hands in > there again - woohoo!! > > Nicholas Burman > nburmandesign > http://www.nburmandesign.com > 403.680.1968 > > I passionately hate the idea of being with it, I think an artist has > always to be out of step with his time. > Orson Welles (1915 - 1985) > > On 20-Jul-05, at 5:52 AM, Jane Silber wrote: > > The intention of the server was to provide a place to upload and review > > art work (and admittedly the wiki isn't the best thing for that). > > > > However, I also don't think a generic "groupware" tool is the best > > thing, and I think it would be unfortunate to treat the server as a > > replacement for the wiki. Other teams maintain a presence on the wiki > > and coordinate activities through the wiki, and I recommend that the > > art > > team do that as well. > > > > I don't know the details, but I think a tool similar to gnome-look.org > > (same software on kde-look.org) is the type of thing that is needed. > > I > > don't know what the tool is exactly on those sites, so it may not be > > the > > best choice for various reasons. But I think we should be able to > > identify an open source tool which allows easy upload, viewing, and > > downloading of various types of artwork in a simple straightforward > > way. I don't think we want to replace or duplicate the wiki function, > > the mailing lists, IRC, etc. - just meet the artwork needs that aren't > > met elsewhere. > > > > My two cents. > > > > Cheers, > > Jane > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hi and a suggestion
On a communal level, I think your reasons, Jane, are good ones for sticking with wiki. I'm not sure of it's technical limitations, but I'm sure there would always be a better tool no matter what we were using. Let's do it 'Ubuntu Style'. Besides, I'm new to using wiki (Aaron's stupendous korgaseries.org is using one for my gear schematics:D ) and would love to get my hands in there again - woohoo!! Nicholas Burman nburmandesign http://www.nburmandesign.com 403.680.1968 I passionately hate the idea of being with it, I think an artist has always to be out of step with his time. Orson Welles (1915 - 1985) On 20-Jul-05, at 5:52 AM, Jane Silber wrote: The intention of the server was to provide a place to upload and review art work (and admittedly the wiki isn't the best thing for that). However, I also don't think a generic "groupware" tool is the best thing, and I think it would be unfortunate to treat the server as a replacement for the wiki. Other teams maintain a presence on the wiki and coordinate activities through the wiki, and I recommend that the art team do that as well. I don't know the details, but I think a tool similar to gnome-look.org (same software on kde-look.org) is the type of thing that is needed. I don't know what the tool is exactly on those sites, so it may not be the best choice for various reasons. But I think we should be able to identify an open source tool which allows easy upload, viewing, and downloading of various types of artwork in a simple straightforward way. I don't think we want to replace or duplicate the wiki function, the mailing lists, IRC, etc. - just meet the artwork needs that aren't met elsewhere. My two cents. Cheers, Jane -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hi and a suggestion
On 7/20/05, Jane Silber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>for the future site of the art team, may i suggest that instead of a > >>>wiki we use some sort of groupware? it seems more appropriate to me. > >>> > >>what is the rationale for a fragmentation from the rest of the ubuntu > >>community ? > >> > >The wiki is not the nicest to upload and review art work. > > > The intention of the server was to provide a place to upload and review > art work (and admittedly the wiki isn't the best thing for that). Hi, I'm matt, and I'm gonna lurk for a while yet, but I just wanted to comment. The wiki is great for content and easy editability. If a posting area for images is needed to supliment that, why not do a quick and easy install of "the Gallery Project?" The G2 interface is pretty stable and is nice and easy to use. The older non-beta version is also great. They both support comments and ratings for pictures. They are a piece of cake to install and maintain and you can easily link to the gallery from the appropriate wiki page. Also, the Ubuntu site already uses plone, I'm surprised people aren't jumping at the chance to use it. The link for the gallery project is at: http://gallery.sf.net I'm sure they'd love to see more high-profile sites like Ubuntu using the G2 interface. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hi and a suggestion
Hi - >>>for the future site of the art team, may i suggest that instead of a >>>wiki we use some sort of groupware? it seems more appropriate to me. >>> >>> >>what is the rationale for a fragmentation from the rest of the ubuntu >>community ? >> >> > >The wiki is not the nicest to upload and review art work. > > > The intention of the server was to provide a place to upload and review art work (and admittedly the wiki isn't the best thing for that). However, I also don't think a generic "groupware" tool is the best thing, and I think it would be unfortunate to treat the server as a replacement for the wiki. Other teams maintain a presence on the wiki and coordinate activities through the wiki, and I recommend that the art team do that as well. I don't know the details, but I think a tool similar to gnome-look.org (same software on kde-look.org) is the type of thing that is needed. I don't know what the tool is exactly on those sites, so it may not be the best choice for various reasons. But I think we should be able to identify an open source tool which allows easy upload, viewing, and downloading of various types of artwork in a simple straightforward way. I don't think we want to replace or duplicate the wiki function, the mailing lists, IRC, etc. - just meet the artwork needs that aren't met elsewhere. My two cents. Cheers, Jane -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hi and a suggestion
On 7/20/05, Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > Am Mittwoch, den 20.07.2005, 02:30 +0300 schrieb kori mendocino: > > Hi :) > > i am stanimir 'kori' djevelekov, from Bulgaria, and i mainly do web > > design. i would really love to be involved with the art of my > > favourite os' next release. > > > > for the future site of the art team, may i suggest that instead of a > > wiki we use some sort of groupware? it seems more appropriate to me. > what is the rationale for a fragmentation from the rest of the ubuntu > community ? The wiki is not the nicest to upload and review art work. Corey -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hi and a suggestion
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 20.07.2005, 02:30 +0300 schrieb kori mendocino: > Hi :) > i am stanimir 'kori' djevelekov, from Bulgaria, and i mainly do web > design. i would really love to be involved with the art of my > favourite os' next release. > > for the future site of the art team, may i suggest that instead of a > wiki we use some sort of groupware? it seems more appropriate to me. what is the rationale for a fragmentation from the rest of the ubuntu community ? ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
