Re: [ubuntu-art] Tango
On 10/19/05, Frédéric van der Essen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you heard about the Tango Project ? they aim at making a consistant and cross desktops icon theme. Yep. Lofty goal. Their current work looks very good, and IMO a project like that is a very good idea. I only saw bits and pieces so far, as it was /.'ed the day I visited. :o) Should we - Ignore tango and continue working on Humanity (if there is still work being done on it ) ? - creating a tango compatible humanity theme ? - converting the tango theme to ubuntu color palette ? - using the tango theme as it is ? The bits I was able to read about it, it didn't look like it fit entirely with with the look and feel goals of Ubuntu (as defined more by Canonical than the art team at this point). I think it may be a good source of idea gathering and sharing, but perhaps not completely signing on to say Ubuntu will use this Tango Desktop in it's entirety. I haven't caught Andrew online in AGES, but as far as I know, he's still working on the Humanity icons. As far as GTK/Metacity themes go, I personally think Clearlook will be hard to beat as far as usability and simplicity goes, but there's always room for more options. The same goes for colors. In the future I'd rather it be said that there's a default Ubuntu color palette, but make a whole lot more color variations available than the default. I haven't done any themes yet, but I think right now that means creating a whole new theme and recoloring the bitmaps by hand. Perhaps when themes are vector based, infinite color variations of one theme will be possible without having millions of themes installed. I guess I'm kinda dodging the issue. :o) FWIW, I emailed the guys and told them who I was and that I would be keeping a keen eye on their progress. Just as we borrow bits from Debian, Gnome, art.gnome.org, perhaps that's the kind of relationship we'll have with the Tango folks, because I honestly can't see Ubuntu switching it's unique look over to something standardized like that if it's only for the sake of aesthetics. My $.02 -- Aaron Ubuntu SVG Artwork - http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu --- Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere. ~ G.K. Chesterton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What is our goal ? | Ubuntu Art Team Project Ideas
'ello all. Alrighty, I'll try an answer a few questions. On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:25 pm, Frédéric van der Essen wrote: I think that a few thing are going in the wrong way on this mailing list, and if we don't move our asses, nothing good will come for Dapper. the first is that we aren't doing anything. the second is that we don't know what are our goals the third is that we don't have any work to do. Very much agreed. I think we really need to do something. Not too long ago I suggested we meet up in the IRC channel. So how about this: Meeting at [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday, 12 UTC. I think either this weekend or next, but we really need to do something. Moving on - yes there is sort of an 'art director [team leader actually]. That would be volvoguy [Aaron]. His mother had surgery not too long ago for a torn rotator cuff, and Aaron himself is awaiting major surgery in the near future also. He is happy passing on the 'job' as I take it (?) at least until he is up and about. :o) So, to highlight (and recap): - we desperately require some sort of meeting. agree upon time asap. - it would be nifty if we could assemble a list of topics to be discussed. Cheers and see you all around. Pascal Klein -- Cheerio. Pascal Klein Wombat - [http://wombat.nuxified.com] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tango
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 19.10.2005, 22:51 +1000 schrieb Pascal Klein: Nevertheless, when the time comes that Tango is finished I think it would be a lovely idea to include is as is; The Tango set. It can be shipped like normal. :) a snapshot package with the current tango icon theme is already in breezy... ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tango
On 10/19/05, Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, Am Mittwoch, den 19.10.2005, 22:51 +1000 schrieb Pascal Klein: Nevertheless, when the time comes that Tango is finished I think it would be a lovely idea to include is as is; The Tango set. It can be shipped like normal. :) a snapshot package with the current tango icon theme is already in breezy... ciao oli The Tango team is largely (?/partially?) made up of Novel Desktop developers. I think that visual aesthetics is one place where Linux distributions *should* differentiate themselves. Be careful embracing Tango at the expensive of Ubuntu's distinctive look. I'm not saying it's bad to give users that choice, but we ( or maybe I ) want Ubuntu to be a *unique* thing of beauty. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tango
quote who=Matthew Nuzum The Tango team is largely (?/partially?) made up of Novel Desktop developers. I think that visual aesthetics is one place where Linux distributions *should* differentiate themselves. Be careful embracing Tango at the expensive of Ubuntu's distinctive look. a) We don't have a distinctive look for our icons at the moment (we ship the GNOME icons by default right now). b) It is a *massive* amount of work for not a huge amount of gain. c) How do completely different looking 'Linux' [1] desktops help users? - Jeff [1] remember, it's not just Linux! -- UbuntuBelowZero in Montreal! http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero How was the opera? The seats were very comfortable. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tango
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 19.10.2005, 09:43 -0500 schrieb Matthew Nuzum: a snapshot package with the current tango icon theme is already in breezy... The Tango team is largely (?/partially?) made up of Novel Desktop developers. I think that visual aesthetics is one place where Linux distributions *should* differentiate themselves. Be careful embracing Tango at the expensive of Ubuntu's distinctive look. i didnt make any suggestion in my post, just wanted to point out its packaged so you can easily install/uninstall it if you want to have a look... personally i wait for humility to be finished and polished ;) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tango
On 10/19/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Matthew Nuzum The Tango team is largely (?/partially?) made up of Novel Desktop developers. I think that visual aesthetics is one place where Linux distributions *should* differentiate themselves. Be careful embracing Tango at the expensive of Ubuntu's distinctive look. a) We don't have a distinctive look for our icons at the moment (we ship the GNOME icons by default right now). Ah. That explains the foot. The only two Gnome's I've used is RedHat/Fedora and Ubuntu and they look much different from each other, so I didn't realize these were defaults. c) How do completely different looking 'Linux' [1] desktops help users? I'm not suggesting they look completely different, I'm suggesting they have unique visual styles. In a sense, if you've seen Windows XP Home and compared it to Windows XP Media Center there is a a unique visual style to media center. It doesn't look drastically different - everything is still in the same place, it just has a little additional flair. That is what I was suggesting with Ubuntu, and note that I said this type of distinction should be emphasized, implying that some other things that differ between distros should not. I was initially attracted to Ubuntu because it's simple, clean and elegant style *looked* much nicer than the cluttered Fedora/RedHat desktop I'd used before. However your point b is well taken - I know creating one icon is tricky, and since Ubuntu doesn't differentiate itself from others now in the icons it uses, then if a new suite of nice looking icons is available then it makes sense to use it. -- Matthew Nuzum www.bearfruit.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
