Re: [ubuntu-art] Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors
On 4/5/06, bvc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Achieving round w/o gaps is the issue at hand. Scrollbars like Industrial solves thatthat is sensible, and IMO is better than square. Anything is better than having something square in a everything else round widget theme. It is a distraction far more than a little gap so I still say my mockup is the best way to go but hey, what do I know ;) . No one stares at a stepper. They are only glanced at. Like the bright orange in Human. All industrial does is put the steppers and scrollbar on top of the trough instead of inside it. People love it, and I have never heard any complaint about it now. I do not care much for it either but it's better than anything square in a everything else round theme. People want consistency despite what a ui designer (no such animal) has to say. Forgive me for saying this, but, bvc, I have been developing Clearlooks for over a year now. Not ONCE has ANYONE complained about the rectangular scrollbars. You are the first one to do so. If people really love Industrial so much ah hell, this isn't the place to discuss that. When I look at my desktop, I see a lot of rectangles. Toolbars, the workspace switcher, even the panels are rectangular. Websites, list views, popup menus, configuration dialogs (group frames). They are all rectangular. Not everything in Ubuntulooks is square, not by a long shot. Yet, you press so hard to get a rounded scrollbar. I wonder if the cure is better than the decease. The reason why the rectangular scrollbar looks fine to me, is because it's a widget that isn't free like buttons are, but is embedded in a sort of track. It's limited to the engraved area that contains the button. I really don't see why it MUST be rounded. In Richard's mockup, the only one that looks good is the first, but it's all osx. Is it sensible? That's only a matter of opinion and who caresit looks good. That's fine with me, and most would love it, because it's osx. Does ubuntu want that, is the question? Mark? So the only one that looks good is the first. But what about the second? It's the exact same scrollbar, but with the slider all the way down. Doesn't look so good anymore, does it? If we could make that look good, then I'd be happy to (try to) implement it. I've been trying to create some nice looking scrollbars for a long time now, and the ones we have now are the best I've been able to come up with. I'm really dying for a better design, but don't try to convince me with talk. Show me mockups that will amaze me. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Default background... Some thoughts
A good while ago Viper550 did some backgrounds that had some really good effects in it, and I want to draw attention to them again. Look at this screenshot: http://www.skim.dk/viper550-ubuntu-shiny.png Original wallpaper: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/attachments/20051226/406f3bae/ubuntuglow-0001.jpg Notice how well the top light source goes with the gloss on the icons. More importantly look at the window title bar. The top light source of the bg makes it look like the light is actually reflecting in the window title bar. I really think that the default dapper background should utilize some of these techniques (if it's not going to be ubuntuglow?), since it makes for some pretty nice effects. Well just some idea-tossing, for whom it might concern :-) Cheers, Mikkel PS: The original discussion on the wallpaper can be found here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-December/000546.html -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] request: tango style synaptic icons
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 13:11 +0200, Josué Alcalde González wrote: El mar, 04-04-2006 a las 13:12 +1000, Pascal Klein escribió: On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 22:49 +0200, Étienne Bersac wrote: Hello, The supported status icons aren't to good, and they are only a proof of concept. Perhaps, when a water mark icon they could look ok, but I think they won't with 16x16 size. synaptic.zip Very nice. But clearly won't fit in 16x16 square. They need to be touched up in gimp for decent use as 16x16 icons, just like the other Tango icons which are smaller than 22x22. :) Yes, I know. Perhaps something like this. Yep. Would you like some help with the rest? Pascal Étienne.osué Pascal -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] request: tango style synaptic icons
On 4/4/06, Andreas Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Heinlein wrote: hello, I designed the original package status icons in synaptic. It would be nice if someone could do some tango styled ones. The icons have to reflect the status of the package: [snip] New icons don't need to follow my old metaphor: At the moment I use a filled box to show that the package is installed. A white box represents an uninstalled package. Arrows indicate an upgrade (up arrow), downgrade (down arrow) or installation (left arrow). To be removed packages get a red cross. Furthermore we use the distribution icon in a separate column to indicate that the package is part of the official repository. It would be nice if someone could find a way to merge this to icons. How about something along the lines of this: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/synaptic-proposal.png ? Installed packages are in color, uninstalled packages are in monocrome and toned down. The good thing about this solution is that the shapes are more distinguishable this way, the bad thing is that it's not using the checkbox-style metaphor any more. What do you think, fellow ubuntu-artists? - Andreas -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I really like it: I think it should be a closed box for uninstalled stuff and an open box for installed (and perhaps the saturation shange is necessary too) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] request: tango style synaptic icons
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 00:37 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Sebastian Heinlein wrote: hello, I designed the original package status icons in synaptic. It would be nice if someone could do some tango styled ones. The icons have to reflect the status of the package: [snip] New icons don't need to follow my old metaphor: At the moment I use a filled box to show that the package is installed. A white box represents an uninstalled package. Arrows indicate an upgrade (up arrow), downgrade (down arrow) or installation (left arrow). To be removed packages get a red cross. Furthermore we use the distribution icon in a separate column to indicate that the package is part of the official repository. It would be nice if someone could find a way to merge this to icons. How about something along the lines of this: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/synaptic-proposal.png ? Installed packages are in color, uninstalled packages are in monocrome and toned down. The good thing about this solution is that the shapes are more distinguishable this way, the bad thing is that it's not using the checkbox-style metaphor any more. What do you think, fellow ubuntu-artists? - Andreas I agree with Cory on this one, but that definitely is a step forward. How about just alterning the icons we need that would normally otherwise be monochrome? Less work and consistent? Pascal -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: A better use of our time would be figuring out how to disable options that don't work on specific hardware! Perhaps some sort of oops I failed to hibernate tracking could be used to hint the system that it really, really does not want to offer the hibernate option any more. This needs to be robust in the face of minor errors. Seems relevant to me, my computer often crashes when recovering from a hibernation. (I discussed this with some dev's, and the bug is being triaged, but the reality is that we can't guarantee anything yet). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Expanding logout dialogue
Hello, Mock-up: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/collapsing- logout.png Very nice idea, well done for removing Lock Screen. All in all, awesome. the expansion should remember its state Excellent ! I support this dialog. :) Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Expanding logout dialogue
Hello, Am Mittwoch, den 05.04.2006, 11:24 +0100 schrieb Henrik Nilsen Omma: Mock-up: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/collapsing-logout.png while I like the idea, I have a question: Would the Alt-Something key combinations still work, even if it's collapsed? Another thing I sense might be difficult: enlarging and shrinking the dialogue with the collapse-thingie might be problematic with the already faded-out background. Sorry to have nothing more than concerns to offer. Have a nice day, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] comments and suggestions on Ubuntu's theming
Hi all, I already sent this e-mail message a few days ago to this mailing list, but it was held for moderator approval because I didn't want to register (I don't like to get my mailbox spammed with list e-mails). It seems it takes some time for moderators to make a decision (is there any moderator at all?), so I decided to register and send this e-mail again. What I want to tell about is the following: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/24937 Please read. I hope it is useful for the art developers. Greetings, Sander van Loon -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Re: Expanding logout dialogue
2006/4/5, Sebastien Estienne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On a related note, why would we display switch user if we know that there is only 1 user exisiting on the system? I also think this icon and related function is nonsense for most users and for this reason should be removed. It should be displayed and used only if they are more users accounts on the system. Petr Tomeš -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog
just to catch up, what was the agreed issue with the existing logout dialog? i ask more in the sense of it's layout and relative size than the icons themselves.. julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-/ -_) / -_) _| _| '_ \/ _` | '_| / /(_- /__/\___|_\___\__|\__| .__/\__,_|_| |_\_\/__/ |_http://selectparks.net/~julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Expanding logout dialogue
..on Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 11:24:48AM +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: I'm with Matt and Vincent who think that there are simply too many options on the logout dialogue, so I though I would try making an expanding one where you hide some of the less common options. Mock-up: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/collapsing-logout.png We are now down to 3+3 options (I removed Lock screen as it appears in the System menu directly) There is also some logic to the placement of the buttons in that the icons that appear in the same column are somewhat related in function or severity. yes i prefer this. when people are logging out they aren't sitting down, their getting up to leave. the last thing you want is to be presented with a wide array of choices. that said the icons in your mockup themselves still look terrible together. julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-/ -_) / -_) _| _| '_ \/ _` | '_| / /(_- /__/\___|_\___\__|\__| .__/\__,_|_| |_\_\/__/ |_http://selectparks.net/~julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] icons
First of all, apologies is there is already a thread open about this, I just signed up. Now, I am not a big fan of orange, but I quite like some of the subtle implementations of the colour in the Ubuntu theme. However, there is nothing subtle about the icons. See http://mdke.org/images/orange.png This colour is really pretty distracting. Please tone it down a bit!! I've opened a specific bug about the colour clashing with other colours in specific areas of the Desktop too, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/38090 Thanks, Matt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] comments and suggestions on Ubuntu's theming
Hello, You are completely right. This is a great pain in the ass for now. Ubuntu ship nice piece of artwork, but noone fit correctly with each others, neither usplash theme nor gdm login nor gnome-session splash nor background nor gtk theme nor metacity theme, etc. We are just fighting together to try to have consitent gtk+ and metacity theme. I find this quite pathetic. While Fedora and SuSE show professionnal artwork, Ubuntu ship patchwork like those we see in many screenshots over the web. I'm quite disappointed by the way the drake is becoming dapper :( I wish that the growing number of comments like yours will change artwork roadmap. Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors
Richard Stellingwerff wrote: I've made a few new mockups: http://stellingwerff.com/ubuntu-art/sb.png (svg: http://stellingwerff.com/ubuntu-art/sb.svg) All of these have rounded scrollbar tips AND rounded steppers. I'm looking for a mockup that does not change the steppers, but does change the scrollbar tips. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] can glassy and caramel be combined? [was: Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors]
Javier Aravena C. wrote: El mar, 04-04-2006 a las 11:24 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth escribió: The icons are very much a work in progress. See Daniel's excellent page for the full set, and priorities, and know that we will get to everything with priority 8, 9 and 10. Mark where's that page?, or something else to download the tangerine and human iconsets, so we people using breezy can talk about them too http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/ic/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors
Richard Stellingwerff wrote: I've made a few new mockups: http://stellingwerff.com/ubuntu-art/sb.png (svg: I like the last ones, though I can see that even rounded scroll bar tips against a rounded edge can look odd. Here is a version with square stepper edges and rounded scroll bar tips: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/slider-01.png http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/slider-in-action.png The trick is that the tips slightly overshoot the edge of the slider groove so you don't get a round edge meeting a square one. Imagine that the tips are not sitting in the groove with the rest of the slider, but are less deep so they can pass over the edge of the stepper slightly when they reach the edge. - Henrik -- http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.theopencd.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors
Hello, Here is a version with square stepper edges and rounded scroll bar tips: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/slider-01.png http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/slider-in-action.png I don't understand something : is the scroller overrideing arrow button ? I like the right in-action scrollbar. I prefer to have all rounded. Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors
Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: The trick is that the tips slightly overshoot the edge of the slider groove so you don't get a round edge meeting a square one. Imagine that the tips are not sitting in the groove with the rest of the slider, but are less deep so they can pass over the edge of the stepper slightly when they reach the edge. Guys, this thread is out of control! Read my original comment, which sparked the thread. The specific feedback I have been given is that the scrollbar tips, when the scrollbar is at the end, look like a "white well". Some scrollbars have white wells. Our well is dark, but when the scrollbar is up against the end, the tip can be interpreted as a white well, meaning that the scrollbar os not quite up against the end. Make sense? So. The gap between square stepper and rounded tip is EXACTLY what I am looking to test out. Because that will clearly say "This is the tip, which is white, over the well, which is dark, and its all up against the end of the well, next to the square stepper". Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors
Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: So something like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/slider-in-action-2.png (left side version) Yes, that's the ticket. Richard, any objections? Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] request: tango style synaptic icons
El mié, 05-04-2006 a las 12:44 +1000, Pascal Klein escribió: Yep. Would you like some help with the rest? I sent them yesterday to the list. Haven't they arrived? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] comments and suggestions on Ubuntu's theming
I agree completely. I found a bit ridiculous debating the details of the various dialogues,scroll bars, iconsand so on and the overall conception of the desktop still up in the air. It is like riding on the horse backwards.J. Mak Sander van Loon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,I already sent this e-mail message a few days ago to this mailing list,but it was held for moderator approval because I didn't want to register(I don't like to get my mailbox spammed with list e-mails). It seems ittakes some time for moderators to make a decision (is there anymoderator at all?), so I decided to register and send this e-mail again.What I want to tell about is the following:https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/24937Please read. I hope it is useful for the art developers.Greetings,Sander van Loon -- ubuntu-art mailing listubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Have a question? Yahoo! Canada Answers. Go to Yahoo! Canada Answers -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] comments and suggestions on Ubuntu's theming
Sander van Loon wrote: Hi all, I already sent this e-mail message a few days ago to this mailing list, but it was held for moderator approval because I didn't want to register (I don't like to get my mailbox spammed with list e-mails). It seems it takes some time for moderators to make a decision (is there any moderator at all?), so I decided to register and send this e-mail again. What I want to tell about is the following: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/24937 Please read. I hope it is useful for the art developers. Greetings, Sander van Loon I also think you have a very good point... :-o I find it hard to make a concrete proposal, though - there are people that are much better at artwork than I am. The only thing I can say is that the OpenSuse thing looks much more consistent, indeed. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors
..on Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 02:06:26PM +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: Richard Stellingwerff wrote: I've made a few new mockups: http://stellingwerff.com/ubuntu-art/sb.png (svg: I like the last ones, though I can see that even rounded scroll bar tips against a rounded edge can look odd. Here is a version with square stepper edges and rounded scroll bar tips: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/slider-01.png http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/images/slider-in-action.png The trick is that the tips slightly overshoot the edge of the slider groove so you don't get a round edge meeting a square one. Imagine that the tips are not sitting in the groove with the rest of the slider, but are less deep so they can pass over the edge of the stepper slightly when they reach the edge. On first appearance this is pretty disonant. When a design needs explanation such as this does, something's awry. I like your curved sliders alot, as the tips interlock with the ends. There is something innately satisfying about this. Why not strike a good compromise, one that perhaps Cairo can offer. Instead of complete right-angles, go for a much tighter curve on the corners. Show off the antialising with tight and clean curves. Julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-/ -_) / -_) _| _| '_ \/ _` | '_| / /(_- /__/\___|_\___\__|\__| .__/\__,_|_| |_\_\/__/ |_http://selectparks.net/~julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] request: tango style synaptic icons
Am Mittwoch, den 05.04.2006, 11:03 +0100 schrieb Who: The good thing about this solution is that the shapes are more distinguishable this way, the bad thing is that it's not using the checkbox-style metaphor any more. What do you think, fellow ubuntu-artists? - Andreas I really like it: I think it should be a closed box for uninstalled stuff and an open box for installed (and perhaps the saturation shange is necessary too) At first thanks to all of you! I am quite low on time at the moment and therefore my replies have a minor delay. Currently the icons reflect two information at the same time: on the one hand the status and on the other hand the planned action. I am unsure about using the same icon column to show two separated information. Another problem is locking. It would be nice to see if a locked package is installed or not. Regards, Sebastian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Tangerine in universe
Hello, I'm very please to see the incoming Tangerine icon set in dapper repo. I made a screenshot of both theme face to face at http:// bersace03.free.fr/pub/captures/dapper-artwork/compare-human- tangerine.png I made a test with my father. 54 years old. Wear quite fat glasses. Windows user since at least 15 years. Unable to switch to Office 2003, still using Office 2000. That is a real end user :) I show him the comparative picture linked above, and ask him to choose his prefered icon theme. He choose Tangerine for two main reasons : - accessibility, clareté, understandable icons. - No agressive color. He also note that ssh, ftp are disturbing. Especially for tiny icons. The sharp orange label are too agressive. - Tango is clearly better in tiny icons. Far more readable. See Home, networke dir, mounted disk, desktop icons, Windows Network, etc. That's very important. - Both are not very consistent with the title bar : Human is too saturate, Tangerine not enough. As Tangerine follow spec for colour, that will be good to have a complete tangerine/Tango compliant theme (including at least metacity theme). - Tangerine has a slight glassy effect. That's not glassy enough to fit Mark taste :) - Using tangerine does not change some toolbar icons such as home, etc. - Tiny tangerine icons are too desaturated. That does not fit the global palette. OTOH, that allow more readable icons. - the update stock icon is yellow. blue is more readable. - screen background are too dark in Tangerine. Tango was designed with professionnal goals. That's not funky artwork. That is the professionnal artwork for a very polished desktop. I wish to see tangoish used as default iconset. Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] request: tango style synaptic icons
Am Mittwoch, den 05.04.2006, 16:20 +0200 schrieb Josué Alcalde González: El mié, 05-04-2006 a las 12:44 +1000, Pascal Klein escribió: Yep. Would you like some help with the rest? I sent them yesterday to the list. Haven't they arrived? I attached them to a bug report: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/24747 Thanks again. I cannot say this enough. If we don't find a better solution I would vote for using your tango styled icons. Sebastian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tangerine in universe
..on Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 11:04:24PM +0200, Étienne Bersac wrote: Hello, I'm very please to see the incoming Tangerine icon set in dapper repo. I made a screenshot of both theme face to face at http://bersace03.free.fr/pub/captures/dapper-artwork/compare-human-tangerine.png I far prefer it - the folders look more like folders, and lack the 'bulbous' quality that perhaps doesn't scale so well in the set to the left. The squarer corners also tie it in with the window decoration somehow. I'd miss those little orange folder property indicators however - eg for home, ssh, ftp etc - as the orange chosen ties in well with the Ubuntu logo itself and sit's above the folder icon itself enough to be immediately noticed. This stuff could perhaps be done on a mouse-over event however. Nice work.. Julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-/ -_) / -_) _| _| '_ \/ _` | '_| / /(_- /__/\___|_\___\__|\__| .__/\__,_|_| |_\_\/__/ |_http://selectparks.net/~julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tangerine in universe
Hello, He also note that ssh, ftp are disturbing. Especially for tiny icons. The sharp orange label are too agressive. I like the tangerine icons, but I don't agree with the above. I like the ssh, ftp and others, because it's informative and (IMHO) isn't disturbing. Remember that's just an extern point of view, my father's one. Who is clueless of smb, dav, ftp and friends, even if he use oftenly smb. He is going to use dav and even ssh as it just appear in his file manager with avahi/zeroconf. The anduilos icon is the Mac OS X ssh server on my iMac (named anduilos). User prefer bersace's public file instead of ssh, and other technical stuffs. That's just a fact. I also appreciate info label for protocols and formats (odt, etc.), but i dislike the orange used for those label. Far too sharp. I also dislike the text in 16x16 icons. That's just annoying. Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tangerine in universe
Hello, What I would prefer is brown folders, because there is too much orange in my desktop and my nautilus. It is the same of title bars. They were too orange at first, and know they are brown again. I include a folder example. I agree. That wouldd be really nice to select a color and build a complete theme palette from that colour. Select caramel, and build the saturate, desaturate, lighted, darked color coresponding. Use in in gtk, metacity and icon theme. Do the same for chocolate, and compare with orange, etc. If think that is the way we will be able to build an actually polished desktop. Quite like SuSE is doing. Posting comparative screenshot is great to help selecting the better brownish theme the world has never seen ! Also, Tango has good base for helping choosing a good color. http:// tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines . Those guys rox. They did a great work. We MUST base our artwork on those good Guidelines. Ubuntu doesn't hide extensions, so you can take a look at it when the icon is not enough. Then it is usefull only for protocols. Your icons seems good. It should fit well with title bar. Need some real life situation like the screenshot i posted earlier. Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors
Richard Stellingwerff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/5/06, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Achieving round w/o gaps is the issue at hand. Scrollbars like Industrial solves thatthat is sensible, and IMO is better than square. Anything is better than having something square in a everything else round widget theme. It is a distraction far more than a little gap so I still say my mockup is the best way to go but hey, what do I know ;) . No one stares at a stepper. They are only glanced at. Like the bright orange in Human. All industrial does is put the steppers and scrollbar on top of the trough instead of inside it. People love it, and I have never heard any complaint about it now. I do not care much for it either but it's better than anything square in a everything else round theme. People want consistency despite what a ui designer (no such animal) has to say.Forgive me for saying this, but, bvc, I have been developingClearlooks for over a year now. Not ONCE has ANYONE complained aboutthe rectangular scrollbars. You are the first one to do so. If peoplereally love Industrial so much ah hell, this isn't the place todiscuss that.When I look at my desktop, I see a lot of rectangles. Toolbars, theworkspace switcher, even the panels are rectangular. Websites, listviews, popup menus, configuration dialogs (group frames). They are allrectangular. Not everything in Ubuntulooks is square, not by a longshot.Yet, you press so hard to get a rounded scrollbar. I wonder if thecure is better than the decease. The reason why the rectangularscrollbar looks fine to me, is because it's a widget that isn't "free"like buttons are, but is embedded in a sort of "track". It's limitedto the engraved area that contains the button. I really don't see whyit MUST be rounded. In Richard's mockup, the only one that looks good is the first, but it's all osx. Is it sensible? That's only a matter of opinion and who caresit looks good. That's fine with me, and most would love it, because it's osx. Does ubuntu want that, is the question? Mark?So the only one that looks good is the first. But what about thesecond? It's the exact same scrollbar, but with the slider all the waydown. Doesn't look so good anymore, does it? If we could make thatlook good, then I'd be happy to (try to) implement it.I've been trying to create some nice looking scrollbars for a longtime now, and the ones we have now are the best I've been able to comeup with. I'm really dying for a better design, but don't try toconvince me with talk. Show me mockups that will amaze me.Maybe you don't remember or don't use google? A round scrollbar was mentioned on gnomefiles. Doesn't matter. I know you want round scrollbars. You, like others, forget who you are talking to. I know it has been mentioned elsewhere butdoesn't matter. Just don't act like I am the only or first, when you and I want it...obviously others do too.Yes, by a long shot, except toolbars, everything in ubuntulooks is round. That which is not round is not themed, in the 'control' sense of the word. Ubuntulooks doesn't theme most of the other things you mentioned but boy most wish it did. A round workspace swithcher, panel? That would rock and actually put gnome in the same ballpark as the big boys butyou can't play if you are not in the same arena.It's fine with me as is as well. I don't look at it (when working) or use the scrollbar. Who does? Keyboard!But the rare times I do want a fine adjustment and look at it I wonder why it is square.I didn't mention the second because it is the first! Why would I? Sure, the second looks fine if you'd do it right. Your corners were not in sync wiht the rest of the theme. Understandable from an svg. Exported it looks even worse. You will not be happy until you implement it and make it work! Ever thought about that? It's called theming! Trust me when I say the bumps on your head will go away and hair will grow back when you see the end result and people go...wow!;)You can only try. No one can ask for more.http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/progress-scroll-trough2.png New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Inconsistence of gradients and artwork colors
...and why aren't listviews and frames round?:Dpixmap themes do it and people love it? Can't cairo do it? Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
