[ubuntu-art] Color
I'm sorry, my bad. I meant Gnome 2.18 instead of 2.20 Vincent -- ubuntu-art mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Colour
El 13/04/2007, a las 22:22, Pascal Klein escribió:
Hi. :)
The goal behind Ubuntu's colour palette is that it should separate
Ubuntu from other desktops. Although the most universally safe (in
regards to culture and gender) and pleasing primary desktop colour is
blue and shades of it, had Ubuntu gone blue it would by colour be
similar to... too many other desktops -- Windows XP uses it, as
does Mac
OS X and even KDE is well known for using heavily saturated blue
tones.
Ubuntu ('humanity towards others') brings earthy and human-skin colour
tones to the digital desktop. Ubuntu could have gone stock GNOME and
used it's green tones (as you mention from the recent 2.18 release)
but
then Ubuntu would loose it's visual uniqueness.
It is hard to find a common ground in this entire regard. A lot of
people like Ubuntu's colour palette whilst others dislike it. Those
that
dislike it are free to change their desktop and it's looks quite
easily
(that's what the other themes that are shipped with the CD are there
for). As far as I understand it Ubuntu will continue to use it's
current
colour palette though the primary desktop colours might change (within
the limits of the colour palette (ie. see the changes from Hoary to
Dapper)). :)
Hope that cleared up a few things. :)
-Pascal
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Hello everyone! first of all (off topic) I want to apologize because
I don't have enough time to reply all the e-mails, I'm quite busy
finishing my career, so sorry everyone.
Ok, I've read a lot of times in a lot of websites/blogs etc. this
statement: people don't choose ubuntu because of brown/orange/red
tones. Some people would think that this is a worthless discussion
but I find really interesting.
I think that I said before in another discussion, that what Pascal
Klein in saying isn't the only thing that we have to consider about
the colours of the distribution. We need to realize that User
Interface is a science, and it's not just trying to separate ubuntu
from another distros/OS's. In my opinion, and what I've learned, the
colour palette must be useful for make ubuntu different _and_
functional (gray , blue or light shades are a great colours to make
your desktop a confortable place to work) both.
But I would go further, I find more important the user experience,
the usability, all those facts related with Human Computer
Interaction than just making ubuntu different. The visual aspect of
an app or an OS now isn't focused on what the programmer likes, now
it's a _very_ important part of the computer science. Now is as
important as coding.
So why we're taking this fact (ubuntu general look/aspect) just
thinking in being different than the others?
Why not try to be _better_ than the others?
Yes, I know that this is quite insane, but, why not reconsider ubuntu
general look?
Maybe not for Feisty or Gutsy, but we can start thinking about for a
future version. Maybe we can plan a great launch for ubuntu, not just
a 6 months version, and we can start thinking about the interface of
that big launch. I know, this is quite weird, but that would be a
great chance to win new users.
So, that's all folks. I hope I will be able to write again soon.
Cheers!
Álvaro.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Colour
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 jmak wrote: I wrote: Colours are _culturally_ and _temporally_ rooted in meaning. Look to the colours of traditional wedding wear in Japan or different parts of tribal Africa for examples of cultural meaning. Look to the tonal differences between the 60s and 80s pop culture art for temporal examples. While I agree with you that the meaning of a color is culture dependent, but the question is how do you apply this principle in a cross-cultural context. After all, computer use cannot be reduced to a single cultural location but it is global. You can't. Attempting to do so would be no more foolish than attempting to invent your own language and hoping that it would work in every locale. It is silly to attempt it, and not worth it. It is not out of the ordinary to suggest that a design should choose an audience and speak to it. Companies that make creative design decisions don't worry about appealing to everyone. They choose a target and attack it. So Alvaro has a point here. During the years, I installed ubuntu for many computers, (mostly for teenagers, the children of my friends) and so far, in each case, I was requested to change Ubuntu's default color scheme. I still have to meet with the one who wants to keep it. I couldn't more strongly disagree. Brown is a great base colour when rounded out with a full design palette. Ubuntu currently suffers most desperately on at least the following three points: 1) No specified audience to speak to. 2) No communication goals. 3) In relation to the topic, lacking a well designed palette to communicate (2) to (1) effectively. Earth tones can work wondefully towards communicating 'earthy' ideals when implemented in the design structure. That said, when you fail to apply those notions, or worse -- as Ubuntu does -- use 'brown' just for 'browns' sake, you end up in a mire of mediocre design. Again, it is no huge leap of faith to suggest that brown _can_ work when supported with thoughtful design. Colour alone will do __nothing__ to change a user's opinion. Thoughtful design _will_. Ultimately, poor design will yield complaints that are all over the map. Generally, people will choose the most obvious thing -- in Ubuntu's case it is brown. It is less about the brown and more about the absolute vacuum concerning design matters relating to audience and communication goals. Middle grey 'appeal to everyone' mentality creates _zero_ 'must have' or 'need' in _any_ individuals mind. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGH600ar0EasPEHjQRAkK/AKDsxsGn1T2/c0Cw1nYkypl4brbHiwCfQi/W sFPW9OuxW7pe3UGY6DAE89U= =ZvWw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Colour
Yeah ! I love your idea ! For example, when installing from the live CD, after selecting the language, it would ask to select a theme... and the theme would be instantly applied to the current live ubuntu (it would be the same window than the gnome theme selector), and then it would be stored so that when ubuntu is installed, it is already with the theme selected at the installation ! sorry for the bad English... Yann Dìnendal Le 14/4/07, Brian White [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi, all. This certainly isn't the first time we've seen this discussion cropping up on the ubuntu-art mailing list. I remember a year or two ago someone suggested that because themes are such a personally subjective matter (and for many they are the the first and easiest way to personalize one's computer, along with the wallpaper), perhaps we should offer a small selection of theme options at install time. Now, I know that some might argue that we already do offer multiple themes that are easily changed once installation is finished. This is true, however, I think it would be an easy, fun and even rewarding option, especially for new users to be able to initially customize your own computer (it is *your* computer, after all) right from the get-go--the first time you boot up your new ubuntu machine, it asks you which theme you would like to use, with Human as the default. My mother used the Luna theme for Windows XP for the longest time (her work computer...I have her on linux at home, of course!), but not because she liked it, but because she didn't know how to change it. Linux is about choice, and I think this is a nice and simple choice we can offer people right from the beginning to demonstrate this ideal. This is probably something to bring up more on the development side of things than the ubuntu-art group, but I thought I would mention it once again since it seemed a relevant option at this point in the discussion. In regards to some of the other elements of the discussion, Ubuntu, itself, as many of you have suggested, is cross-cultural and rooted in different meanings to different people. I agree that there needs to be a stock ubuntu look, and I think the Human theme works admirably for that purpose. But I would be very curious as to what would happen if we asked people from all different cultures to come up with their own ubuntu theme. I think it would be really neat to see what the world can come up with. Naturally, this is not a project I could see being completed in the near future, and it would certainly take a certain degree of cultural sensitivity. But, I think it would be really empowering, then, once ubuntu started up to have a selection of 5 or 6 themes that were perhaps based on these culturally-derived themes so that anyone who runs ubuntu can immediately feel, Hey, this OS feels right--it's like it was made for me. We offer a selection of languages at install time, why not a selection of themes, as they seem to be culturally relevant (or at the least, personally subjectively relevant), as well. Well, I always halfway appreciate this discussion and halfway dread it when it crops up. I guess here's my 2 cents. :) Thanks for everyone's hard work. Most appreciatively, Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Colour
Hi, I think that Brian has a very good idea although I am not sure if it is realizable or not at this point in time. Why not create an entirely flexible theme which can be adjusted by setting certain values? The installer asks you several questions; one of them could be What is your favorite color? (ok, maybe I am simplifying things here, but you get the idea). I think this idea is worth investigating. Of course, this would rely on a *very* well implemented color scheme - funny how that keeps popping up, eh? Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
