Re: [ubuntu-art] Save icon

[Andreas Nilsson]

Alper Beser wrote:
> Hey,
> that would cause too much irritation for too less - imo. Many people 
> might think of a "download" folder or something like that, when they 
> see the icons you linked to.
>
> It's definitley not necessary.
Hi Alper!
Actually, downloading is the same as saving if you think about it, just 
from a remote location.
The reason we went for a hard drive in tango-icon-theme and 
gnome-icon-theme is because we thought it's such a seldom used medium 
these days (14 year old kids don't know what it is :) ). It made more 
sense ten years ago when you actually used to save your data on floppies 
I guess.
I agree that it's a tricky situation though (since people are used to 
see the floppy symbol etc.) and to some extent the instant-save model 
used by apps like tomboy and others could make more sense.
- Andreas
>
> regards
>
> 2007/11/26, Denis Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think the Human icon theme's usage of a floppy disk as metaphor for
> saving is becoming very outdated. Instead, I think we should move to a
> hard disk metaphor like done in the Tango and GNOME icon themes. I
> filed
> a bug about this to Launchpad:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/136584
>
> Regards,
> Denis
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Nice Button Concept

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen]

On 26/11/2007, Dylan McCall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree, that is a really nice looking button!
>
> Another detail that I think really makes a difference with the visual
> experience are those dotted lines that appear around widgets, indicating
> what is selected (and can thus be controlled with the keyboard). Really
> useful when tabbing, and it's definitely good to know what is selected, but
> the current dotted lines are very obtrusive and just plain ugly. Even if
> they just disappeared / faded away after a moment, it would look a lot
> better, but the best solution would be if there was a way of reflecting the
> cursor position within the current visual style. Is that something which can
> be handled by themes, or will we have to go give the Metacity people a
> talking to?



Reflecting the cursor onto the widgets should be possible. The theme engine
gets a pointer to a gdk window on which it can gdk_window_get_pointer in the
draw_* functions. As always the devil is in the details, and I expect this
to be pretty hard to perfect.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)

[Jan Niklas Hasse]

On Nov 26, 2007 8:50 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 26/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Murrine theme engine Murrine theme engine Discussion on Ubuntu artwork 
> > 
> > writes:
> > >
> > >
> > 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable?
> > Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented?
> >
> > I believe it is if Murrine theme engine is used.
>
>
> In the panel; yes. Using a transparent png works really well. These days
> all panel apps behave quite well with transparent panels.
>
> Window border: Yes and no. I don't know if Compiz can do blur at an
> acceptable performance. Each time I've enabled blur in the past it has
> crippled the performance. Maybe it has changed, but I doubt it.
>

It can and works flawlessly well on my computer (nvidia fx5900xt). But I
think it requires Pixel Shader 2.0 or something similar.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Nice Button Concept

[Dylan McCall]

I agree, that is a really nice looking button!

Another detail that I think really makes a difference with the visual
experience are those dotted lines that appear around widgets, indicating
what is selected (and can thus be controlled with the keyboard). Really
useful when tabbing, and it's definitely good to know what is selected, but
the current dotted lines are very obtrusive and just plain ugly. Even if
they just disappeared / faded away after a moment, it would look a lot
better, but the best solution would be if there was a way of reflecting the
cursor position within the current visual style. Is that something which can
be handled by themes, or will we have to go give the Metacity people a
talking to?

Bye,
-Dylan

On Nov 26, 2007 11:41 AM, Álvaro Medina Ballester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Sorry for the duplicated messages... I'm having some problems with the
> IMAP config.
>
> 2007/11/26, Álvaro Medina Ballester <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
> >
> >
> > El 26/11/2007, a las 20:07, xl cheese escribió:
> >
> > It's very clean looking, but I think It looks a lot like windows XP.
> >
> >
> >  Yeah but I think that the point is to get the things well done,
> >
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen]

On 26/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Murrine theme engine Murrine theme engine Discussion on Ubuntu artwork <
> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> writes:
> >
> >
> 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable?
> Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented?
>
> I believe it is if Murrine theme engine is used.


In the panel; yes. Using a transparent png works really well. These days all
panel apps behave quite well with transparent panels.

Window border: Yes and no. I don't know if Compiz can do blur at an
acceptable performance. Each time I've enabled blur in the past it has
crippled the performance. Maybe it has changed, but I doubt it.

I am not sure if transparent widgets are possible. The latest gtk+ release
added widget-level composition, but afaik no engine is using it (or if that
is even possible), and I don't know how viable it is. Maybe some hacker with
a little time on their hands should do a quick dirty hack to test this out.
It is really not that hard to hack up Murrine or some other engine[1].
Unfortunately I have no time atm.

Cheers,
Mikkel

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Nice Button Concept

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

Sorry for the duplicated messages... I'm having some problems with the IMAP
config.

2007/11/26, Álvaro Medina Ballester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> El 26/11/2007, a las 20:07, xl cheese escribió:
>
> It's very clean looking, but I think It looks a lot like windows XP.
>
>
>  Yeah but I think that the point is to get the things well done,
>



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Save icon

[Alper Beser]

Hey,
that would cause too much irritation for too less - imo. Many people might
think of a "download" folder or something like that, when they see the icons
you linked to.

It's definitley not necessary.

regards

2007/11/26, Denis Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think the Human icon theme's usage of a floppy disk as metaphor for
> saving is becoming very outdated. Instead, I think we should move to a
> hard disk metaphor like done in the Tango and GNOME icon themes. I filed
> a bug about this to Launchpad:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/136584
>
> Regards,
> Denis
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Nice Button Concept

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

El 26/11/2007, a las 20:07, xl cheese escribió:


It's very clean looking, but I think It looks a lot like windows XP.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Nice Button Concept

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

El 26/11/2007, a las 20:07, xl cheese escribió:


It's very clean looking, but I think It looks a lot like windows XP.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Nice Button Concept

[xl cheese]

It's very clean looking, but I think It looks a lot like windows XP.  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:57:40 
+0100Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Nice Button ConceptI saw that button a week ago 
and I think that it's something that must be done.



El 26/11/2007, a las 19:45, Dwight Shepherd escribió:
I really like this button concept. 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/EdgyButtonConceptWhat 
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[ubuntu-art] Save icon

[Denis Washington]

Hi,

I think the Human icon theme's usage of a floppy disk as metaphor for
saving is becoming very outdated. Instead, I think we should move to a
hard disk metaphor like done in the Tango and GNOME icon themes. I filed
a bug about this to Launchpad:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/136584

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Nice Button Concept

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

I saw that button a week ago and I think that it's something that must  
be done.



El 26/11/2007, a las 19:45, Dwight Shepherd escribió:


I really like this button concept. 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/EdgyButtonConcept

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[ubuntu-art] Nice Button Concept

[Dwight Shepherd]

I really like this button concept.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/EdgyButtonConcept

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Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)

[joseph . may]

Murrine theme engine Murrine theme engine Discussion on Ubuntu artwork 
 writes:
>
>
5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable? 
Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented?

I believe it is if Murrine theme engine is used.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] looking for feedback on a theme.

[Matthew Nuzum]

Keep experimenting. When Ken comes back from his meeting he'll know the
direction we're going with artwork. If a dark theme is chosen, your
experience using less-than-perfect dark themes will help achieve dark theme
bliss when we actually go to the mat.

On Nov 26, 2007 10:21 AM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I tossed this gtk theme out last week, but did not get a response.
> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2537/screenshotpv8.jpg
>
>
> Sure it's a little rough around the edges and the panel font is the wrong
> color, but in general how do you guys think the gradients work on the
> toolbar, menubar, and metacity?  It's mostly continuous except I added faint
> lines to seperate the bars.
>
> I've also been experimenting with the buttons you can create using the
> smooth engine.  I like the look you can create.  They are a little more
> 3d'ish than the ubuntulooks buttons I currently have pictured above.
>
> Here are some examples from gnome art:
>
> http://art.gnome.org/preview.php?image=archive/thumbnails/gtk2/GTK2-Smooth-Desert-Shot.png
>
> http://art.gnome.org/preview.php?image=archive/thumbnails/gtk2/GTK2-Smooth-LightYellow-Shot.png
>
> http://art.gnome.org/preview.php?image=archive/thumbnails/gtk2/GTK2-Smooth-Ivory-Shot.png
>
> http://art.gnome.org/preview.php?image=archive/thumbnails/gtk2/GTK2-Smooth-Tangerine-Dream-Shot.png
>
>
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> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:27:09 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] more hardy mockups
> >
> >
> > More ideas. Merged the menubar and metacity.
> >
> > http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2537/screenshotpv8.jpg
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Meeting December 1st, 19:00 UTC

[xl cheese]

Can someone provide examples of what the icons are going to look like?
 
Thanks.



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 
> 2007 17:30:39 +0100> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Meeting December 1st, 19:00 
> UTC> > On Friday 23 November 2007 17:20:19 Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:> > 
> > Please send me any items you would like to discuss.> >> > I've just did 
> what you told here. I would like to discuss that icon> > theme/guideline. 
> :-)> > Maybe I haven't understood your post.> > Or I didn't understand yours 
> :-) Let's add an item to discuss generally what > the community likes/wants 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)

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On Nov 25, 2007 4:54 PM, Troy James Sobotka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Perhaps a few questions and you can evaluate it yourself:



> 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable?
> Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented?
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)

[Alper Beser]

2007/11/25, Troy James Sobotka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
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> Perhaps a few questions and you can evaluate it yourself:
>
> 1) Do you feel gloss is contemporary?  Can you site any
> contemporary trend from a designer / art / photography
> magazine that would suggest that glossy / shiny is
> heading back into mainstream?  Are there perhaps other
> styles that might be not only more fresh but more evocative
> of a potential Ubuntu 'identity'?
>
> 2) Does green feel close to Ubuntu's lineage considering
> its brown hues of past?
>
> 3) Does grass seem distinctive and innovative considering
> the operating system landscape?  Leopard pre-releases and
> Vista have both featured grass wallpapers.  Is duplication
> and imitation something that you wish Ubuntu to forward
> as a trend?
>
> 4) Ubuntu has strict rules regarding the presentation of
> its official logo.  Were you aware that there are rules
> governing the colours laid out in the official logo?  Do
> you think that Mark Shuttlworth would be willing to stray
> from the default logo colours presented in the past three
> to four years?  Do you think it would be wise for a company
> such as Coca-Cola to stray from their brand logo of red and
> white?  Pepsi to stray from their brand logo of blue, white,
> and red?
>
> 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable?
> Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented?
> Is the visual styling of the menu etc. currently attainable
> with the codebase?
>
> 6) Having considered the audience you are designing this for,
> do you believe it helps to create an emotional attachment to
> the Ubuntu identity?  Does it have a clear voice or tepid
> delivery?  Does it have enough body to create a full fledged
> motif from for marketing and further material?  Is the palette
> rounded out enough to support such a presentation?
>
> Hope these questions help to illuminate possible future direction.
>
> Sincerely,
> TJS
>
>
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Ok, first of all I want to thank you for your great feedback, guys! It makes
me happy to see you striving for improving my mockup. :)

Referring to Troy i must say, that i find it neither rude nor offending in
any way. I appreciate negative criticism as much as praise. I want to thank
Troy explicitly for his effort of writing his appropriate questions.

I want to answer them one by one:

1) I don't think that those glossy effects went out of style yet. I would
rather say that they are more popular than anytime else right now. You can
take Apple as a good example, that was the first precursor of that style.

2) You are absolutley right, green doesn't really fit in the color schemes
ubuntu used in the recent past. But when i started to design my mockup, I
wanted to use a color which spreads a good atmosphere - and green does this
way better than brown.

3) The wallpaper was only a random choice of mine. I picked it because i
didn't want to take one of those regular ubuntu wallpapers. I could use
anything else instead of it. :)

4) Well, I've seen some custom themes with variously colored logos of
ubuntu, so I thought that it wouldn't be a problem, if I made it greenish,
in order to make it fit better to the background. However, you are right, I
will take care of keeping the standard logo in further versions in the
future.

5) I unfortunately don't know much about the technical coding stuff that is
behind a theme. Thank you for making me aware of this. I will take care of
this, too.

6) It doesn't have clear ubuntu-based message yet - that's correct, but I
hope that it will develop one in the duration of further work. :)


I hope that I answered all of these correctly (for my own sake ;)) and would
encourage all of you to help me improving it in the same way you already
did.

The next ToDo's:

- changing the green color scheme to orange
- modifying or removing the transparency
- making the lower taskbar look more ubuntu-like
- implanting some gui-icons to make it be a real mockup.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)

[Günther Beyer]

I'm going with Troy ... um ... again.

This one is a really beautiful mockup, but it feels more like a suse,
than an Ubuntu. Although nice work.

Cheerz
Günther


Am Sonntag, den 25.11.2007, 14:54 -0800 schrieb Troy James Sobotka:
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> 
> Perhaps a few questions and you can evaluate it yourself:
> 
> 1) Do you feel gloss is contemporary?  Can you site any
> contemporary trend from a designer / art / photography
> magazine that would suggest that glossy / shiny is
> heading back into mainstream?  Are there perhaps other
> styles that might be not only more fresh but more evocative
> of a potential Ubuntu 'identity'?
> 
> 2) Does green feel close to Ubuntu's lineage considering
> its brown hues of past?
> 
> 3) Does grass seem distinctive and innovative considering
> the operating system landscape?  Leopard pre-releases and
> Vista have both featured grass wallpapers.  Is duplication
> and imitation something that you wish Ubuntu to forward
> as a trend?
> 
> 4) Ubuntu has strict rules regarding the presentation of
> its official logo.  Were you aware that there are rules
> governing the colours laid out in the official logo?  Do
> you think that Mark Shuttlworth would be willing to stray
> from the default logo colours presented in the past three
> to four years?  Do you think it would be wise for a company
> such as Coca-Cola to stray from their brand logo of red and
> white?  Pepsi to stray from their brand logo of blue, white,
> and red?
> 
> 5) On a technological note, is the mock you presented viable?
> Does translucency currently exist as you have it presented?
> Is the visual styling of the menu etc. currently attainable
> with the codebase?
> 
> 6) Having considered the audience you are designing this for,
> do you believe it helps to create an emotional attachment to
> the Ubuntu identity?  Does it have a clear voice or tepid
> delivery?  Does it have enough body to create a full fledged
> motif from for marketing and further material?  Is the palette
> rounded out enough to support such a presentation?
> 
> Hope these questions help to illuminate possible future direction.
> 
> Sincerely,
> TJS
> 
> 
> 
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