[ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Hi all, I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using murrine at the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and we'll test that in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need improvement if they are going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it does have minor bugs, has a definte look and is quite well polished. With an eye to the future, here is a list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In many cases the -'s can be easily solved ...feel free to help :-) Human Ubuntu Looks (#1): - lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we don't have to get rid of them just yet + we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons + and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box - toggle button doesn't share the obviousness + liked the markers in the progress bars + liked the inset tray look of sliders + liked the filled insides of sliders + liked the prelight colour of scrollbars + liked tab colours and no gradient + selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect Human Clearlooks (#2): - menubar different colour to everything else - gradient buttons instead of glossy - no prelight of scrollbars - no colour inside sliders - checkboxes not obviously checked + but toggle buttons are much more obvious - don't like tab gradients + but colour is ok - progress bars look like tanks, no markers Human Murrine (#3): - lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of window; not urgent to remove ? menu bar is very strange + but the menus themselves look great with the gutter - quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye - progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset - sliders also not inset + but filled + obviously checked - but white - toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact + tabs have no gradient and gutter colours - no scrollbar prelight - entire scrollbar coloured -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday
Hi all, It is time that we finally have a meeting as there are lots of things to discuss. I suggest this weekend Saturday, the 8th of March. Having it on the weekend might allow more people to attend. Perhaps sometime later in the UTC evening to accomodate more people in the Americas? Likely topics include: * GDM: getting the bg inline with the wallpaper; new icons * GTK: tweaking the gtk themes and discussing clearlooks vs. murrine * DESKTOP: Wallpaper tweaks. Discussing current state, ideas for moving forward * ICONS: Needed! Update icon in Human style for panel; Scale and Expose icons; General state of human refresh * 8.10: Discuss current ideas, how to move forward ...send me your ideas for other topics -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
? ?Human Murrine (#3): As I explained in my previous email ( https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-February/005456.html ) I suggested some changes to Human-Murrine. In this two days I made other changes and and they explain better my opinion. I don't know if it can be to help the work or it can be considered. The gtkrc file and some screen-shoots: http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/Human-Murrine_modified_2.tar.gz http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/twf.png http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/nautilus.png http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/panel.png I commented all changes in the gtkrc file Giuseppe Pennisi. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
? ?Human Murrine (#3): As I explained in my previous email ( https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-February/005456.html ) I suggested some changes to Human-Murrine. In this two days I made other changes and and they explain better my opinion. I don't know if it can be to help the work or it can be considered. The gtkrc file and some screen-shoots: http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/Human-Murrine_modified_2.tar.gz http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/twf.png http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/nautilus.png http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/panel.png I commented all changes in the gtkrc file Giuseppe Pennisi. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
It seems as though these comments are based on an older version of clearlooks. You will need to the latest clearlooks version for some of the items to be fixed. The gtkrc is calling variables that do not exist in the old versions. See comments below. = Easy Fix *** = Can't fix. Needs gtk-engine code change From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:29:30 +0100 Subject: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme Hi all, I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using murrine at the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and we'll test that in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need improvement if they are going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it does have minor bugs, has a definte look and is quite well polished. With an eye to the future, here is a list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In many cases the -'s can be easily solved ...feel free to help :-) Human Ubuntu Looks (#1):- lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we don't have to get rid of them just yet+ we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons+ and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box- toggle button doesn't share the obviousness+ liked the markers in the progress bars+ liked the inset tray look of sliders+ liked the filled insides of sliders+ liked the prelight colour of scrollbars + liked tab colours and no gradient + selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect Human Clearlooks (#2):- menubar different colour to everything else Sounds like an out dated version. - gradient buttons instead of glossy Search and replace GUMMY with GLOSSY - no prelight of scrollbars *** Clearlooks does not support this. I actually opened a bug recently. - no colour inside sliders *** Clearlooks does not support this. - checkboxes not obviously checked *** Not much you can do. + but toggle buttons are much more obvious- don't like tab gradients Need new version of clearlooks for GUMMY tabs. they have a bar across the top. + but colour is ok - progress bars look like tanks, no markers *** Not much you can do. Human Murrine (#3):- lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of window; not urgent to remove ? menu bar is very strange+ but the menus themselves look great with the gutter- quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye- progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset- sliders also not inset+ but filled+ obviously checked- but white- toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact+ tabs have no gradient and gutter colours- no scrollbar prelight- entire scrollbar coloured -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It is time that we finally have a meeting as there are lots of things to discuss. I suggest this weekend Saturday, the 8th of March. Having it on the weekend might allow more people to attend. Perhaps sometime later in the UTC evening to accomodate more people in the Americas? Likely topics include: * GDM: getting the bg inline with the wallpaper; new icons is the wallpaper official for hardy? if so it should replace the GDM bg * GTK: tweaking the gtk themes and discussing clearlooks vs. murrine Yes I think here here is a lot of work do to. I can add some gtkrc suggestion that you can find in my package OranSun. The source you cand find here https://code.launchpad.net/~iacopo-masi/oransun-look/main I think imho that the curren Human-Murrine is too dark. * DESKTOP: Wallpaper tweaks. Discussing current state, ideas for moving forward * ICONS: Needed! Update icon in Human style for panel; Scale and Expose icons; General state of human refresh * 8.10: Discuss current ideas, how to move forward ...send me your ideas for other topics -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Iacopo Masi www.iacopomasi.net -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Human Clearlooks (#2): - menubar different colour to everything else - gradient buttons instead of glossy - no prelight of scrollbars - no colour inside sliders - checkboxes not obviously checked + but toggle buttons are much more obvious - don't like tab gradients + but colour is ok - progress bars look like tanks, no markers - In window list in the bottom panel, active window is too high contrast, giving the feeling that there is something that needs your attention. Windows that do need your attention are given just the most subtle of color variations from the other inactive windows making it easy to miss windows trying to alert you. - (my opinion) The orange cap on the active tab of a tabbed control has a much thicker border than the murrine - imho, the murrine's thin top border looks a little nicer. Human Murrine (#3): - lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of window; not urgent to remove ? menu bar is very strange + but the menus themselves look great with the gutter - quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye - progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset - sliders also not inset + but filled + obviously checked - but white - toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact + tabs have no gradient and gutter colours - no scrollbar prelight - entire scrollbar coloured - Scrollbars are too high contrast (try using eclipse or another program with lots of scrollable regions) - Something glitchy about the transparent window borders, most noticably the bottom border. When two inactive windows bottoms are vertically alligned and slightly overlapping the transparency can cause it to look like the top window has something wrong with it. I'll try to capture a screenshot. - Inactive window titlebar transparency is too transparent. Ideally there could be a non-transparent blur around the text to make it more readable when multiple windows are layered. Currently it looks messy. - too little contrast between active and inactive windows in the panel's window list. All three have various problems in firefox 3. Is it possible to have transparent regions for the buttons? Human clearlooks' buttons look a little nicer than the murrine.The white squared corners kind of ruin the effect. I saw some screenshots somewhere where the default button had a bit of a prominent outline color causing it to stand out nicely. By default button I mean when you have several buttons to choose from and one will be the default if you press enter. It usually has some kind of outline and emboldened text. In murrine I don't *think* there's an outline at all. In human clearlooks there definitely is no outline. In human there is a slightly darker outline compared to non-default buttons. I have a general rule of thumb in my designs that things that are important should not use subtle differences to set them apart. I use subtilty for power-user types of things. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Sorry, second time I've posted this thought here, but I think the detail has too big an impact to be ignored. + For Human Clearlooks: Selected widget marker is very visible, which is good for accessibility. It also blends very well with the theme by taking the unusual move of not using a black dotted line, but a gummy rectangle. The black dotted rectangle to mark selected widget has been the norm for eternity, and really looks terrible. Unfortunately, certain things (eg: gnome-panel) still have the dotted line for some reason, but if you play around with a check box or just tabbing through a window, the difference is very visible. I think that this is good for drawing attention to the possibility (that GTK makes tabbing through windows magically possible with every application under the sun!), and also acts as a nice bit of decoration to draw special attention to the widgets that are selected by default. Otherwise, when somebody is unaware of the keyboard shortcuts and has not noticed that a particular widget is selected, bad things can happen! For example, (granted, this is a long stretch) somebody could accidentally restart his computer by pressing Enter while reading the Updates require a restart message. More realistically, somebody who relies on those keyboard shortcuts really has to hunt to find the location of the standard dotted line, while the gummy rectangle is clearly visible on first glance. Bye, -Dylan McCall On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 12:29 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote: Hi all, I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using murrine at the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and we'll test that in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need improvement if they are going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it does have minor bugs, has a definte look and is quite well polished. With an eye to the future, here is a list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In many cases the -'s can be easily solved ...feel free to help :-) Human Ubuntu Looks (#1): - lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we don't have to get rid of them just yet + we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons + and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box - toggle button doesn't share the obviousness + liked the markers in the progress bars + liked the inset tray look of sliders + liked the filled insides of sliders + liked the prelight colour of scrollbars + liked tab colours and no gradient + selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect Human Clearlooks (#2): - menubar different colour to everything else - gradient buttons instead of glossy - no prelight of scrollbars - no colour inside sliders - checkboxes not obviously checked + but toggle buttons are much more obvious - don't like tab gradients + but colour is ok - progress bars look like tanks, no markers Human Murrine (#3): - lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of window; not urgent to remove ? menu bar is very strange + but the menus themselves look great with the gutter - quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye - progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset - sliders also not inset + but filled + obviously checked - but white - toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact + tabs have no gradient and gutter colours - no scrollbar prelight - entire scrollbar coloured -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Dylan McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, second time I've posted this thought here, but I think the detail has too big an impact to be ignored. + For Human Clearlooks: Selected widget marker is very visible, which is good for accessibility. It also blends very well with the theme by taking the unusual move of not using a black dotted line, but a gummy rectangle. I agree, that does cause the button to stand out and looks better than the dotted rectangle. That was what I was expecting to see for the default selected widget (referred to in my previous e-mail). To add to my previous list (this isn't related to Dylan's comment), the Murine's progress bar is using black text on a dark orange/orange-brown bar which is somewhat low contrast: http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/low-contrast-progress-bar.png -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday
Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 18.16 +, Iacopo Masi ha scritto: Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It is time that we finally have a meeting as there are lots of things to discuss. I suggest this weekend Saturday, the 8th of March. Having it on the weekend might allow more people to attend. Perhaps sometime later in the UTC evening to accomodate more people in the Americas? Likely topics include: * GDM: getting the bg inline with the wallpaper; new icons is the wallpaper official for hardy? if so it should replace the GDM bg * GTK: tweaking the gtk themes and discussing clearlooks vs. murrine Yes I think here here is a lot of work do to. I can add some gtkrc suggestion that you can find in my package OranSun. The source you cand find here https://code.launchpad.net/~iacopo-masi/oransun-look/main Very nice!!! I think imho that the curren Human-Murrine is too dark. I agree with you. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:19 PM, gp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 18.16 +, Iacopo Masi ha scritto: Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It is time that we finally have a meeting as there are lots of things to discuss. I suggest this weekend Saturday, the 8th of March. Having it on the weekend might allow more people to attend. Perhaps sometime later in the UTC evening to accomodate more people in the Americas? Likely topics include: * GDM: getting the bg inline with the wallpaper; new icons is the wallpaper official for hardy? if so it should replace the GDM bg * GTK: tweaking the gtk themes and discussing clearlooks vs. murrine Yes I think here here is a lot of work do to. I can add some gtkrc suggestion that you can find in my package OranSun. The source you cand find here https://code.launchpad.net/~iacopo-masi/oransun-look/main Very nice!!! I think imho that the curren Human-Murrine is too dark. I agree with you. Thanks... I think we should use a similar GTK theme, maybe without stripes. I have a gtkrc with no stripes here in local. I think should fit the wallpaper.. Here some proof: Oransun gtkrc with no stripe and Human icons: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iac_lizardking/2308265639/ Oransun gtkrc with no stripe and Tangerine icons: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iac_lizardking/2309071400/ Imho +1 for Tangerine... gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Iacopo Masi www.iacopomasi.net -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday
Please add: 8.10 DeviantArt Theme Competition A way to engage with the wider community of creative-commons artists. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/deviantart-theme-competition Mike On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It is time that we finally have a meeting as there are lots of things to discuss. I suggest this weekend Saturday, the 8th of March. Having it on the weekend might allow more people to attend. Perhaps sometime later in the UTC evening to accomodate more people in the Americas? Likely topics include: * GDM: getting the bg inline with the wallpaper; new icons * GTK: tweaking the gtk themes and discussing clearlooks vs. murrine * DESKTOP: Wallpaper tweaks. Discussing current state, ideas for moving forward * ICONS: Needed! Update icon in Human style for panel; Scale and Expose icons; General state of human refresh * 8.10: Discuss current ideas, how to move forward ...send me your ideas for other topics -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
