Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming)

[Ken Vermette]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Cory K. wrote:
>> > Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:26 -0400, Cory K. wrote
>> >>
>> >>> So. Name, thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Breath or Breeze would be ok. Inhale makes me think of certain
>> >> substances, but maybe that's ok, too :)
>> >>
>> >
>> > So we have:
>> >
>> > * Breath
>> > * Breeze
>> > * Ozone (via kwwii on IRC)
>> >
>> > Sorry to be stuck on my tagline. It just so rocks. :) And gives a nice
>> > nod to the KDE folks.
>> >
>> > "Because humans need oxygen."
>> >
>> > So far "Breath" is the one that best fits. Mind you, I don't think it
>> > needs to be an English word.
>>
>> "umoya" is apparently Zulu for "air". http://isizulu.net Might work
>> (thorwil's idea)
>>
>> I'll let this go 'till Thursday if nothing decisive happens tomorrow. I
>> need to start the wikipages.
>>
>> -Cory K.
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>
>
> "Busica"; Show and display, show and display our icons.
>
> "Were not Oxygen, we are not Tango, we are proud to display, not mimic."
>
> -Ken Vermette
>

That would have been much more dramatic if I spelled it properly... Round 2!

"Bukisa" - Show and display, show and display our icons.

"Were not Oxygen, we are not Tango, we are proud to display, not mimic."

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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming)

[Ken Vermette]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cory K. wrote:
> > Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:26 -0400, Cory K. wrote
> >>
> >>> So. Name, thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Breath or Breeze would be ok. Inhale makes me think of certain
> >> substances, but maybe that's ok, too :)
> >>
> >
> > So we have:
> >
> > * Breath
> > * Breeze
> > * Ozone (via kwwii on IRC)
> >
> > Sorry to be stuck on my tagline. It just so rocks. :) And gives a nice
> > nod to the KDE folks.
> >
> > "Because humans need oxygen."
> >
> > So far "Breath" is the one that best fits. Mind you, I don't think it
> > needs to be an English word.
>
> "umoya" is apparently Zulu for "air". http://isizulu.net Might work
> (thorwil's idea)
>
> I'll let this go 'till Thursday if nothing decisive happens tomorrow. I
> need to start the wikipages.
>
> -Cory K.
>
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"Busica"; Show and display, show and display our icons.

"Were not Oxygen, we are not Tango, we are proud to display, not mimic."

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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming)

[Cory K.]

Cory K. wrote:
> Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:26 -0400, Cory K. wrote
>> 
>>> So. Name, thoughts?
>>> 
>>>   
>> Breath or Breeze would be ok. Inhale makes me think of certain
>> substances, but maybe that's ok, too :)
>> 
>
> So we have:
>
> * Breath
> * Breeze
> * Ozone (via kwwii on IRC)
>
> Sorry to be stuck on my tagline. It just so rocks. :) And gives a nice
> nod to the KDE folks.
>
> "Because humans need oxygen."
>
> So far "Breath" is the one that best fits. Mind you, I don't think it
> needs to be an English word.

"umoya" is apparently Zulu for "air". http://isizulu.net Might work
(thorwil's idea)

I'll let this go 'till Thursday if nothing decisive happens tomorrow. I
need to start the wikipages.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Mr . doob]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ken Vermette wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:18:41 Ken Vermette wrote:
>> >
>> > I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more
>> like his,
>> > attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute
>> > detailing. Also, this one has closed folders...
>> >
>> > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png
>>
>> Could you add a smaller version (something like 22x22)? It goes a
>> long way to
>> understanding the lines and dithering problems which can occur.
>>
>>
>>
>> 22x22 us up! I had to post on Deviantart, I don't want to compress
>> these images.
>>
>> http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Folder-Concept-mk5-96838710
>>
>> added examples of...
>>  - 22x22
>>  - dark outlines
>>  - emblems
>>
>> and fixed a positioning problem that caused fuzzy borders.
>
> Kick ass! IMHO :P
>
> -Cory K.
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I agree. Although I don't know which one is better (dark outline or not).
Dark outline makes the small version easy to identify. But doesn't
look too cool on the big icon.
Maybe, having a bit of outline when small, but not that dark?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Cory K.]

Ken Vermette wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:18:41 Ken Vermette wrote:
> >
> > I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more
> like his,
> > attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute
> > detailing. Also, this one has closed folders...
> >
> > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png
>
> Could you add a smaller version (something like 22x22)? It goes a
> long way to
> understanding the lines and dithering problems which can occur.
>
>
>
> 22x22 us up! I had to post on Deviantart, I don't want to compress
> these images.
>
> http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Folder-Concept-mk5-96838710
>
> added examples of...
>  - 22x22
>  - dark outlines
>  - emblems
>
> and fixed a positioning problem that caused fuzzy borders.

Kick ass! IMHO :P

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Ken Vermette]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:18:41 Ken Vermette wrote:
> >
> > I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more like his,
> > attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute
> > detailing. Also, this one has closed folders...
> >
> > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png
>
> Could you add a smaller version (something like 22x22)? It goes a long way
> to
> understanding the lines and dithering problems which can occur.
>
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22x22 us up! I had to post on Deviantart, I don't want to compress these
images.

http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Folder-Concept-mk5-96838710

added examples of...
 - 22x22
 - dark outlines
 - emblems

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Requesting help for send a theme to canonical

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 22:39:59 artworkteam italian wrote:
> greetings friend, we are the scribble team, a italian team for artwork and
> themes. We have created this theme, called rome, and we want to propose it
> as te main theme for intrepid ibex. can anyone tell us a way to send this
> to anonical so they can see it and decide if it is ok
> Regards, scibble team

Yes, send it to me. I work for Canonical and am responsible for artwork.

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[ubuntu-art] Requesting help for send a theme to canonical

[artworkteam italian]

greetings friend, we are the scribble team, a italian team for artwork and
themes. We have created this theme, called rome, and we want to propose it
as te main theme for intrepid ibex. can anyone tell us a way to send this to
anonical so they can see it and decide if it is ok
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Cory K.]

Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:18 -0400, Ken Vermette wrote:
>   
>> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png
>> 
>
> You got me thinking ...
>
> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/folder-icon-challenge-2
>   

Cool. God knows I set a bunch of folders based on content manually. I
just wonder if there's any place in GNOME that does? Maybe xgd-user dirs
have support for this? If not, there's nothing wrong with shipping extra
icons for users to set themselves. I do this for Studio.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:18 -0400, Ken Vermette wrote:

> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png

You got me thinking ...

http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/folder-icon-challenge-2/


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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming)

[Cory K.]

Vadim Peretokin wrote:
> Well, that's the point here, bring over KDE 4's Oxygen into Gnome.

Kinda. It's to more use it as a base style guide that hopefully we can
make our own and not ne a total rip. :P

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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming)

[Vadim Peretokin]

Well, that's the point here, bring over KDE 4's Oxygen into Gnome.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming)

[Rico Sta. Cruz]

I'm not sure on these names myself, they kinda remind me of KDE's Oxygen. Not
sure if that was the intended effect. Btw, where's the IRC server/channel?
:)


Cory K.-2 wrote:
> 
> Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:26 -0400, Cory K. wrote
>>> So. Name, thoughts?
>>> 
>>
>> Breath or Breeze would be ok. Inhale makes me think of certain
>> substances, but maybe that's ok, too :)
> 
> So we have:
> 
> * Breath
> * Breeze
> * Ozone (via kwwii on IRC)
> 
> Sorry to be stuck on my tagline. It just so rocks. :) And gives a nice
> nod to the KDE folks.
> 
> "Because humans need oxygen."
> 
> So far "Breath" is the one that best fits. Mind you, I don't think it
> needs to be an English word.
> 
> -Cory K.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Iñigo Alonso Fernández]

> That will be the first step towards Breath (maybe Air, what do you
> think?)

I was thinking about a similar name: "Aire", that's just Spanish for Air.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Cory K.]

Anton Kerezov wrote:
> В 18:43 +0200 на 02.09.2008 (вт), Kenneth Wimer написа:
>   
>> I am uncertain that we can change it for 8.10 unless they get approval 
>> pretty 
>> quickly and fit with the rest of the iconsbasically, I would say no :-)
>> 
>
> But we are just replacing the old folder icon with new one. It's kind of
> a merge the new folders with the old iconset - no other changes just the
> folders.
>
> That will be the first step towards Breath (maybe Air, what do you
> think?) 
>
> Anton

It's too late in the cycle to do anything to the current set. We'll
continue this effort and hopefully have a good start to a set for
Intrepid+1.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Anton Kerezov]

В 18:43 +0200 на 02.09.2008 (вт), Kenneth Wimer написа:

> I am uncertain that we can change it for 8.10 unless they get approval pretty 
> quickly and fit with the rest of the iconsbasically, I would say no :-)

But we are just replacing the old folder icon with new one. It's kind of
a merge the new folders with the old iconset - no other changes just the
folders.

That will be the first step towards Breath (maybe Air, what do you
think?) 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:34:33 Anton Kerezov wrote:
> В 12:18 -0400 на 02.09.2008 (вт), Ken Vermette написа:
> > I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more like
> > his, attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute
> > detailing. Also, this one has closed folders...
> >
> > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png
> >
> > --
> > -Ken Vermette
>
> I like the Flat styled ones. Is there a chance we can include some of
> these as default in 8.10. It shouldn't be that hard and yet will give
> the user a feeling of new start.

I am uncertain that we can change it for 8.10 unless they get approval pretty 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Cory K.]

Anton Kerezov wrote:
> Is there a chance we can include some of
> these as default in 8.10?
>   

I'd say no. We should have at least a semblance of a base set. 1st. 1
folder icon really isn't enough.

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[ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming)

[Cory K.]

Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:26 -0400, Cory K. wrote
>> So. Name, thoughts?
>> 
>
> Breath or Breeze would be ok. Inhale makes me think of certain
> substances, but maybe that's ok, too :)

So we have:

* Breath
* Breeze
* Ozone (via kwwii on IRC)

Sorry to be stuck on my tagline. It just so rocks. :) And gives a nice
nod to the KDE folks.

"Because humans need oxygen."

So far "Breath" is the one that best fits. Mind you, I don't think it
needs to be an English word.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Anton Kerezov]

В 12:18 -0400 на 02.09.2008 (вт), Ken Vermette написа:

> I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more like
> his, attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute
> detailing. Also, this one has closed folders...
> 
> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png
> 
> -- 
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> 

I like the Flat styled ones. Is there a chance we can include some of
these as default in 8.10. It shouldn't be that hard and yet will give
the user a feeling of new start.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:18:41 Ken Vermette wrote:
>
> I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more like his,
> attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute
> detailing. Also, this one has closed folders...
>
> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png

Could you add a smaller version (something like 22x22)? It goes a long way to 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Ken Vermette]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Giuseppe Pennisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Il giorno lun, 01/09/2008 alle 21.21 -0400, Ken Vermette ha scritto:
> > As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be
> > more visually appropriate.
> > Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have
> > no idea if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but
> > nonetheless they are there.
> >
> >
> > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png
> >
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> >
> Wow, very nice. Good Look.
>
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Thank you!

I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more like his,
attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute detailing.
Also, this one has closed folders...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png

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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu.

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:26 -0400, Cory K. wrote:

> We start with a base Oxygen set and replace the icons as suitable ones
> are created.  Only really using Oxygen as a style guideline. The idea is
> to create a modern a set as Oxygen but with that distinctly Human feel.
> (minus the Tango outline) :P

One of the aims being to get away from the heavy tango outlines is
reason enough to choose oxygen as a base, I suppose.


> This is all very early and still needs lots of discussion but I'm
> gettin' the ball rollin'.
> 
> So. Name, thoughts?

Breath or Breeze would be ok. Inhale makes me think of certain
substances, but maybe that's ok, too :)


= Ideas for the early stages =

Define a set of background colours to make sure the icons will look
alright against Ubuntu themes. This should also have the effect to set a
certain tendency in the palette, without defining it directly.
(It should be evaluated, if icons can be adapted to varying backgrounds
simply by applying gradation curves)

Create abstract icons like a sphere and a box to give an idea about
perspective and lighting.

Define the virtual environment: Lighting and surfaces that are hinted at
in reflections. It seems Human and Oxygen assume light straight from
above. This simplifies shadows. I think the default theme and the icons
should assume the same light direction. 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu.

[Cory K.]

Anton Kerezov wrote:
> В 10:26 -0400 на 02.09.2008 (вт), Cory K. написа:
>   
>> This is all very early and still needs lots of discussion but I'm
>> gettin' the ball rollin'.
>>
>> So. Name, thoughts?
>> 
>
> Finally :). I was waiting this moment for a long time. But unfortunately
> as I'm moving to another city soon I won't be able to help much till Q1
> 2009 :(
>   

Good thing about an icon set is that it has bite-size pieces. So you can
help as you have time. ;)

> I wanted to show you this:
>
> http://img195.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68891_folder_preview_122_179lo.jpg
>   

Nice. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu.

[Anton Kerezov]

В 10:26 -0400 на 02.09.2008 (вт), Cory K. написа:
> This is all very early and still needs lots of discussion but I'm
> gettin' the ball rollin'.
> 
> So. Name, thoughts?

Finally :). I was waiting this moment for a long time. But unfortunately
as I'm moving to another city soon I won't be able to help much till Q1
2009 :(

I wanted to show you this:

http://img195.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68891_folder_preview_122_179lo.jpg


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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu.

[Giuseppe Pennisi]

Il giorno mar, 02/09/2008 alle 10.32 -0400, Vadim Peretokin ha scritto:
> So you'd like to change from one icon guideline to another based on
> your personal preference?
> 
> May I ask why?
> 
I think that is a start point and proposal to start to work. We can help
or not or make a new idea.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu.

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 16:32:46 Vadim Peretokin wrote:
> So you'd like to change from one icon guideline to another based on your
> personal preference?
>
> May I ask why?

Not sure what you mean by that. At this time there are no guidelines for human 
icons.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu.

[Cory K.]

Vadim Peretokin wrote:
> So you'd like to change from one icon guideline to another based on
> your personal preference?

Yes.

> May I ask why?

Like any effort, that's how things can start. You either agree and help
or don't.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu.

[Vadim Peretokin]

So you'd like to change from one icon guideline to another based on your
personal preference?

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[ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu.

[Cory K.]

Now don't let the title fool you. This effort is meant to start as a set
born from our community. Aiming for a default replacement but not
Dependant on it. :)

So I have talked to a couple of people around here about basing a set on
Oxygen and combining it with elements of Human. An idea made public with
the "Folder Icon challenge." thread.
(https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-September/007559.html)

We start with a base Oxygen set and replace the icons as suitable ones
are created.  Only really using Oxygen as a style guideline. The idea is
to create a modern a set as Oxygen but with that distinctly Human feel.
(minus the Tango outline) :P

I will be setting up the infrastructure using wiki/bzr/PPA/Launchpad to
handle it all. Including packaging. All submissions will be to the list
and I will manage the uploading.

Here is an *early example* of what the wiki page will look like:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UbuntuStudioIconSet The
idea will be that all the images will be in BZR and linked to in the
wiki page. That way, when BZR is updated, so will the wiki page.

I had wanted to use the name "Breath" because I liked the tagline
"Because humans need oxygen" but I'm unsure. Maybe "Inhale"?

As far as puttin' KDE in GNOME I don't care. If I have my way all of the
icons will be replaced anyway. The plan will be to write a very
thoughtful and credit-giving announcement to the KDE crowd once we have
some semblance of a release.

I plan on handling *ALL* of the *technical* duties around this effort.
Which is what seems to be lacking the most around alot of our work. So
what we will need after that is intelligent, informed discussion along
with great artistic work from the folks we have around here and anyone
else we can bring into the fold.

This is all very early and still needs lots of discussion but I'm
gettin' the ball rollin'.

So. Name, thoughts?

-Cory K.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Giuseppe Pennisi]

Il giorno lun, 01/09/2008 alle 21.21 -0400, Ken Vermette ha scritto:
> As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be
> more visually appropriate.
> Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have
> no idea if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but
> nonetheless they are there.
> 
> 
> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png
> 
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> 
Wow, very nice. Good Look.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Ken Vermette]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 03:21:27 Ken Vermette wrote:
> >
> > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png
>
> Wow, that is really impressive! One thing to note is that the system uses
> both
> open and closed folders. How would it look if it is closed?
>
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O.o;

That's actually a very good question. I'll post a closed folder when I get a
few minutes to make one later on today.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust + Willibex

[Vadim Peretokin]

It looks pretty good, but the _[]X buttons on an inactive window are too
dark to be able to recognize them.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] theme teams

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 06:43:45 Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> How useful!
> Should be ping you in case of any updates to our themes? :)

Yes! Any changes to the themes can be sent directly to me - I will then update 
the PPA and inform everyone of the changes. For instance, last night the New 
Wave theme was updated a couple of times :-) Once you have the package 
installed the update manager should take care of telling you about any 
updates.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 03:21:27 Ken Vermette wrote:
>
> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png

Wow, that is really impressive! One thing to note is that the system uses both 
open and closed folders. How would it look if it is closed?

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