Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help
> Looks almost better than the original mockup! > Although the scroll bars are a bit "blocky" or squared or maybe big, but > don't fit (for me) the overall appearance of the theme. > Another point is the borderless version of the theme included in the > tar.gz . The border is 1 px wide while the older version of Dust has no > border at all( real borderless) > Pic: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/177221/Pantallazo-1.png > -- > > Jos? Luis Ric?n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> IMO, no-pixel boarders are horrible because they are such a pain to resize and almost kill the usability of the theme. One pixel boarders (at least) are great. Nicholas -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help
José Luis gmail.com> writes: > > Looks almost better than the original mockup! > Although the scroll bars are a bit "blocky" or squared or maybe big, but > don't fit (for me) the overall appearance of the theme. > Another point is the borderless version of the theme included in the > tar.gz . The border is 1 px wide while the older version of Dust has no > border at all( real borderless) > Pic: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/177221/Pantallazo-1.png A 1px border is a good compromise, I think. Real borderless looks best, but it causes big problems for Metacity users such as yours truly, where there's no drop shadows. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] GTK theme help
Looks almost better than the original mockup! Although the scroll bars are a bit "blocky" or squared or maybe big, but don't fit (for me) the overall appearance of the theme. Another point is the borderless version of the theme included in the tar.gz . The border is 1 px wide while the older version of Dust has no border at all( real borderless) Pic: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/177221/Pantallazo-1.png -- José Luis Ricón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help
i really like the new soft gradient toolbars! i hope they will work with more than one toolbar as well. Nice work, post the new pack soon! Adam On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 05:32 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote: > That was a development version. I think these will be the final toolbar > gradients for a long time: > http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/610/dust0917scrollbarsgradikz5.png > [Nevermind the selected color -- I'm just trying out alternate colors to see > if they work with the theme's new changes ;)] > > Let me try to dispute all the gradient discussions once and for all. > - Yes, there will be gradients. They won't be flat. > - The look that Dust is trying to achieve is (1) modern, (2) clean, (3) > sleek/slender, (4) neutral. The old Dust gradients (the round ones) achieve > the 1st, but fails a little on 2nd, but is horrible at the 3rd. I think > flats will only achieve (2). Even the original mockup will not look very > sleek, IMHO, on certain setups (it looks nice with the small toolbar shown, > but what about 2 fat toolbars?). The gradients shown in the latest > screenshot above, I think, finally achieves all of those points. I think it > looks fine even on a fat default nautilus setup (which the old Dust terribly > fails at). > > Regarding colors: > It'll be very hard to change them. I am considering toning down the BG color > to be a bit darker, but I'm still deliberating on this. > - I don't think it should get any darker than #D0D0D0 -- this is as > off-white as things can get without being "light gray". > - The highlight color should ideally be not-so-saturated to keep the sleek, > subdued look. > - I'd avoid a yellowish color for a highlight, too. I'd keep the default > selected color as something more universally-likeable: that'd be something > like blue, steel blue, or tan, or beige. > > I'm sorry if some of the directions the theme is headed is not to everyone's > tastes. I hope you can imagine that having a big audience is quite hard. I'm > trying hard to stick with the vision of Dust (not necessarily the mockup), > and admittedly there's some bad judgement calls in there but I'm trying hard > to keep things in line. > > An update will be out soon with these changes. For those still interested, > keep posted. And thank you everyone for all the feedback and the comments, > they really help! (Again it's a little hard to please everyone, but hey > that's why some of the colors are adjustable ya'know.) > > > Cheers! > Rico > > > Adam Gusztav Nagy wrote: > > > > hi, > > > > i checked out the latest release. i saw the toolbars have the gradients > > again. Do you insist to them? IMO the flat bars definitly look better > > and more professional. > > > > and talking about the colors i changed the selected bg color to #FFBD61 > > and the bg_color to #CCC8C1, maybe you would like to consider them. > > the selected color makes it more ubuntuish i think, and the background > > color is darker, better for the eyes, and doesnt make a big contrast > > with the toolbars wich makes it easier for the eyes. Please consider > > them! > > > > http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/dustcolors.png > > > > Keep in mind if you change the selected color to mine, than you will get > > big highlights on the metacity headers since it is a much lighter color. > > > > On the picture I also changed the padding (2-2) and the roundness (2) of > > the selected menu items. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 19:32 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote: > >> Hi guys. First of all, I apologize for asking these here but I'm new to > >> the > >> community and I'm not sure on what the venue is for these sort of > >> questions. > >> > >> I'm getting an error I can't explain: > >> /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: Invalid symbolic color > >> 'fg_color' > >> /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: error: invalid identifier > >> `fg_color', expected valid identifier > >> > >> They show up when my colors in the appearance dialog are set to default. > >> However, when I change one a bit (say from #FF to #FE) just so > >> it's > >> not default, everything works fine. This is running Murrine, and the > >> theme > >> in question is in http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/Dust-20080917.tar.gz if > >> anyone wishes to debug. > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> http://www.nabble.com/GTK-theme-help-tp19524364p19524364.html > >> Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/GTK-theme-help-tp19524364p19531074.html > Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help
That was a development version. I think these will be the final toolbar gradients for a long time: http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/610/dust0917scrollbarsgradikz5.png [Nevermind the selected color -- I'm just trying out alternate colors to see if they work with the theme's new changes ;)] Let me try to dispute all the gradient discussions once and for all. - Yes, there will be gradients. They won't be flat. - The look that Dust is trying to achieve is (1) modern, (2) clean, (3) sleek/slender, (4) neutral. The old Dust gradients (the round ones) achieve the 1st, but fails a little on 2nd, but is horrible at the 3rd. I think flats will only achieve (2). Even the original mockup will not look very sleek, IMHO, on certain setups (it looks nice with the small toolbar shown, but what about 2 fat toolbars?). The gradients shown in the latest screenshot above, I think, finally achieves all of those points. I think it looks fine even on a fat default nautilus setup (which the old Dust terribly fails at). Regarding colors: It'll be very hard to change them. I am considering toning down the BG color to be a bit darker, but I'm still deliberating on this. - I don't think it should get any darker than #D0D0D0 -- this is as off-white as things can get without being "light gray". - The highlight color should ideally be not-so-saturated to keep the sleek, subdued look. - I'd avoid a yellowish color for a highlight, too. I'd keep the default selected color as something more universally-likeable: that'd be something like blue, steel blue, or tan, or beige. I'm sorry if some of the directions the theme is headed is not to everyone's tastes. I hope you can imagine that having a big audience is quite hard. I'm trying hard to stick with the vision of Dust (not necessarily the mockup), and admittedly there's some bad judgement calls in there but I'm trying hard to keep things in line. An update will be out soon with these changes. For those still interested, keep posted. And thank you everyone for all the feedback and the comments, they really help! (Again it's a little hard to please everyone, but hey that's why some of the colors are adjustable ya'know.) Cheers! Rico Adam Gusztav Nagy wrote: > > hi, > > i checked out the latest release. i saw the toolbars have the gradients > again. Do you insist to them? IMO the flat bars definitly look better > and more professional. > > and talking about the colors i changed the selected bg color to #FFBD61 > and the bg_color to #CCC8C1, maybe you would like to consider them. > the selected color makes it more ubuntuish i think, and the background > color is darker, better for the eyes, and doesnt make a big contrast > with the toolbars wich makes it easier for the eyes. Please consider > them! > > http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/dustcolors.png > > Keep in mind if you change the selected color to mine, than you will get > big highlights on the metacity headers since it is a much lighter color. > > On the picture I also changed the padding (2-2) and the roundness (2) of > the selected menu items. > > Adam > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 19:32 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote: >> Hi guys. First of all, I apologize for asking these here but I'm new to >> the >> community and I'm not sure on what the venue is for these sort of >> questions. >> >> I'm getting an error I can't explain: >> /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: Invalid symbolic color >> 'fg_color' >> /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: error: invalid identifier >> `fg_color', expected valid identifier >> >> They show up when my colors in the appearance dialog are set to default. >> However, when I change one a bit (say from #FF to #FE) just so >> it's >> not default, everything works fine. This is running Murrine, and the >> theme >> in question is in http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/Dust-20080917.tar.gz if >> anyone wishes to debug. >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://www.nabble.com/GTK-theme-help-tp19524364p19524364.html >> Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/GTK-theme-help-tp19524364p19531074.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What do we want to do for Jaunty?
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Anton Kerezov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > В 11:28 +0100 на 17.09.2008 (ср), Who написа: >> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Also, I'd like to think about a way of being able to switch between >> them easily - that will change GDM, BG, Usplash, and some other App >> splashes, if we get that far. A good theme has so many components it >> is crazy to expect the user to 'turn them all on' but we shouldn't >> expect them to have to reinstall a theme to change the theme, unless >> we write a little UI that does that for them. >> >> I propose a theme consitst of: >> Usplash theme >> GDM theme >> Desktop BG >> Icon theme (NOT expecting these to be designed form scratch, just use >> a good HQ one that fits best if you want... edit key icons, perhaps) >> GTK Theme > > Good points but I will add Lock-Dialog theme like this one (I'm not > trying to promote myself ;) ): > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/New+Wave+Lock-Dialog > +Theme?content=87773 Sweet! I didn't know that was possible! Certainly... > >> Opional but good: >> Matching theme for QT apps. >> Some nod to Wine integration by using linux colours or a WinXP theme >> that is close to yours >> Firefox Theme IF FF doesn't inherit your theme well (userstyles.css, >> if I remember correctly) >> Evolution theme (if evolution doesn't pick up the GTK icons >> yet...didn't used to) >> Splash screens for Gimp, OpenOffice, other major apps with splashes. >> >> Perhaps: >> Sounds >> More than one BG >> > > That is good too. I'm just wondering who can write such a tool that > manages your whole Desktop? What will be the format of the package and > so on ... Indeed. I know that exiting themes have (had?) the capacity to suggest 1. Desktop BG 2. Font So I think we should use the same format as that system used. I'll do some digging when I get a bit of free time today. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What do we want to do for Jaunty?
В 11:28 +0100 на 17.09.2008 (ср), Who написа: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, I'd like to think about a way of being able to switch between > them easily - that will change GDM, BG, Usplash, and some other App > splashes, if we get that far. A good theme has so many components it > is crazy to expect the user to 'turn them all on' but we shouldn't > expect them to have to reinstall a theme to change the theme, unless > we write a little UI that does that for them. > > I propose a theme consitst of: > Usplash theme > GDM theme > Desktop BG > Icon theme (NOT expecting these to be designed form scratch, just use > a good HQ one that fits best if you want... edit key icons, perhaps) > GTK Theme Good points but I will add Lock-Dialog theme like this one (I'm not trying to promote myself ;) ): http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/New+Wave+Lock-Dialog +Theme?content=87773 > Opional but good: > Matching theme for QT apps. > Some nod to Wine integration by using linux colours or a WinXP theme > that is close to yours > Firefox Theme IF FF doesn't inherit your theme well (userstyles.css, > if I remember correctly) > Evolution theme (if evolution doesn't pick up the GTK icons > yet...didn't used to) > Splash screens for Gimp, OpenOffice, other major apps with splashes. > > Perhaps: > Sounds > More than one BG > That is good too. I'm just wondering who can write such a tool that manages your whole Desktop? What will be the format of the package and so on ... Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What do we want to do for Jaunty?
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Giuseppe Pennisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > 2008/9/17 Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Now that we've decided that we aren't out to change the default art, > >> what do we want to do for the next cycle? :) > >> > >> I had the idea to create a package where we couple through a couple of > >> walls, themes and GDM called "community-artwork. Sound fine for all? > >> > >> How many theme items do we put in it to start? 2 walls, 2 themes, 2 > >> GDMs? I'm looking for numbers to shoot for but obviously things can > change. > >> > > > > I agree, three themes, but there's no reason to stop at 3 if we get > > four great ones made. > > > > Also, I'd like to think about a way of being able to switch between > > them easily - that will change GDM, BG, Usplash, and some other App > > splashes, if we get that far. A good theme has so many components it > > is crazy to expect the user to 'turn them all on' but we shouldn't > > expect them to have to reinstall a theme to change the theme, unless > > we write a little UI that does that for them. > > > > I propose a theme consitst of: > > Usplash theme > > GDM theme > > Desktop BG > > Icon theme (NOT expecting these to be designed form scratch, just use > > a good HQ one that fits best if you want... edit key icons, perhaps) > > GTK Theme > > > > Opional but good: > > Matching theme for QT apps. > > Some nod to Wine integration by using linux colours or a WinXP theme > > that is close to yours > > Firefox Theme IF FF doesn't inherit your theme well (userstyles.css, > > if I remember correctly) > > Evolution theme (if evolution doesn't pick up the GTK icons > > yet...didn't used to) > > Splash screens for Gimp, OpenOffice, other major apps with splashes. > > > > Perhaps: > > Sounds > > More than one BG > > > I agree with you. However I think that 3 themes are a good solution. > > gp > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > Just throwing this in, but if we have 3 themes, why don't we try taking an aim for them? One theme geared for office/average users (more generic), one for power users/technophiles (more bling), and one for developers/artists (darker, like our take on studio) -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What do we want to do for Jaunty?
2008/9/17 Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Now that we've decided that we aren't out to change the default art, >> what do we want to do for the next cycle? :) >> >> I had the idea to create a package where we couple through a couple of >> walls, themes and GDM called "community-artwork. Sound fine for all? >> >> How many theme items do we put in it to start? 2 walls, 2 themes, 2 >> GDMs? I'm looking for numbers to shoot for but obviously things can change. >> > > I agree, three themes, but there's no reason to stop at 3 if we get > four great ones made. > > Also, I'd like to think about a way of being able to switch between > them easily - that will change GDM, BG, Usplash, and some other App > splashes, if we get that far. A good theme has so many components it > is crazy to expect the user to 'turn them all on' but we shouldn't > expect them to have to reinstall a theme to change the theme, unless > we write a little UI that does that for them. > > I propose a theme consitst of: > Usplash theme > GDM theme > Desktop BG > Icon theme (NOT expecting these to be designed form scratch, just use > a good HQ one that fits best if you want... edit key icons, perhaps) > GTK Theme > > Opional but good: > Matching theme for QT apps. > Some nod to Wine integration by using linux colours or a WinXP theme > that is close to yours > Firefox Theme IF FF doesn't inherit your theme well (userstyles.css, > if I remember correctly) > Evolution theme (if evolution doesn't pick up the GTK icons > yet...didn't used to) > Splash screens for Gimp, OpenOffice, other major apps with splashes. > > Perhaps: > Sounds > More than one BG > I agree with you. However I think that 3 themes are a good solution. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What do we want to do for Jaunty?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now that we've decided that we aren't out to change the default art, > what do we want to do for the next cycle? :) > > I had the idea to create a package where we couple through a couple of > walls, themes and GDM called "community-artwork. Sound fine for all? > > How many theme items do we put in it to start? 2 walls, 2 themes, 2 > GDMs? I'm looking for numbers to shoot for but obviously things can change. > I agree, three themes, but there's no reason to stop at 3 if we get four great ones made. Also, I'd like to think about a way of being able to switch between them easily - that will change GDM, BG, Usplash, and some other App splashes, if we get that far. A good theme has so many components it is crazy to expect the user to 'turn them all on' but we shouldn't expect them to have to reinstall a theme to change the theme, unless we write a little UI that does that for them. I propose a theme consitst of: Usplash theme GDM theme Desktop BG Icon theme (NOT expecting these to be designed form scratch, just use a good HQ one that fits best if you want... edit key icons, perhaps) GTK Theme Opional but good: Matching theme for QT apps. Some nod to Wine integration by using linux colours or a WinXP theme that is close to yours Firefox Theme IF FF doesn't inherit your theme well (userstyles.css, if I remember correctly) Evolution theme (if evolution doesn't pick up the GTK icons yet...didn't used to) Splash screens for Gimp, OpenOffice, other major apps with splashes. Perhaps: Sounds More than one BG -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What do we want to do for Jaunty?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thorsten Wilms wrote: >> On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 08:29 -0400, Cory K. wrote: > >>> How many theme items do we put in it to start? 2 walls, 2 themes, 2 >>> GDMs? I'm looking for numbers to shoot for but obviously things can change. >>> >> >> 3 is the minimum feel-good number. 2 doesn't feel like a set. Above 5 >> you slowly walk into oh-my--so-many-choices land. >> > > Fine by me. Though, 3 GDM themes will be hard to come buy. I don't think > I've seen 1 working one all cycle from us. Seems it's been all GTK themes. > > Not that this is gonna happen now, but we should have our choices in > mind for what will go into the package. GDMs are easy to 'personalise', harder to totally reinvent. If we wanted three that just 'fitted the branding of the other themes' we'd be fine. In fact, to be honest, we could quite easily do 3 unique GDMs - it is just a bit of XML editing, last time I tried (:S) > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
