Re: [ubuntu-art] Impression Alpha 5
Am Mittwoch, den 04.03.2009, 22:07 -0500 schrieb John Baer: On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 12:00 +, Oliver Scholtz wrote: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:22:15 +0100 From: Oliver Scholtz scholli...@yahoo.de Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Impression Alpha 5 To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: 123615.14495.1.ca...@kubuntu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John, what about this Metacity? It's a permitted round button :D Sincerly Oliver Scholtz -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ubuntu_impression.png Type: image/png Size: 782 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/attachments/20090304/574ec11a/attachment-0001.png +1 I had the same idea but was unable to make it work. Thanks! and it's very very mega branding: -1 :) But the Dot is the most simple and sometimes the most simple is the always best. I searched in gnome-look and kde-look. So I saw that the rounded things are the best voted... A clear +1 for Mac, they was the fisrt to have this idea. :( Nevermind I attach you what I found right now ... This with coulours and without symbols OR with decent symbols should have a nice look. It's not squared and not round ... a twitter. :) Sincerly Oliver Scholtz PS: Don't have more ideas ... sorry. attachment: fran.png-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Impression Alpha 5
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:44 PM, John Baer bae...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 06:54 +, Jonathan Blackhall wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but I don't quite get the circles. What do they tell me about their purpose? If I didn't already know what the 3 buttons at the top right of the screen did, I wouldn't know what these buttons do. Isn't the purpose of the buttons to be at least loosely descriptive of what the user can expect when they press them? I'm also not familiar with OS X, so I have the same trouble with their red, yellow and green. I'm not normally a fan of the Ubuntu should not try to be like OS X argument, but I think in this case it's relevant. Why are you trying to mimic what I'd consider to be a poor design choice? Jonathan, Thank you for the question. The desire to use circles for frame control widgets is not from OSX. The symbolism comes from the Ubuntu logo. As the Impression theme design is based on Ubuntu, IMO it makes sense. As the widgets are small it is difficult to craft icons which display detail. However, if you hover your mouse over the widget a description is display which should novice users. John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hi, I'd like to chime in here. I understand both sides of the don't be like like OSX argument and say that I beleive that we should at least to some extent attempt to differentiate ourselves from OSX and other OS'es as well, to create a unique branding, rather than come off as copycats. Although, if we are able to take the 3 circle theme and make it ours then we are just as well off. My only question is whether we will be able to pull that off or whether people will always associate the 3 circles with OSX, rather than Ubuntu. As far as usability goes, I beleive that the colors themselves convey the use. Which unfortunately means that it will not be very accessible to color blind people. For Macintosh, who's market is mainly artists, this is not a huge problem. But for Ubuntu, who prides itself on accessibility to all, this could pose a significant issue. I'm not sure that hovering to find the use is a very convenient idea. Since color blind folks may not remember it anyways if they can't tell the diffrenece between yellow and orange. Just my 2¢ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Jaunty Wallpaper
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Mads Rosendahl mad...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've been working on a LTSP ldm theme (https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-March/009094.html) and thought the artwork perhaps could be reused as desktop wallpaper. I'm currently trying to convert parts of the image to vector graphics, but I've attached a low-res version to show you what it look like. Any feedback is welcome. Mads Rosendahl Hansen (MadsRH) MadsRH(a)Gmail.com http://AnotherUbuntu.blogspot.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art hey mads I personally like this wallpaper It is a departure from the gloomy browns and reds Is there a link for a high res version? coz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Impression Alpha 5
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Joseph yhar...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:44 PM, John Baer bae...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 06:54 +, Jonathan Blackhall wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but I don't quite get the circles. What do they tell me about their purpose? If I didn't already know what the 3 buttons at the top right of the screen did, I wouldn't know what these buttons do. Isn't the purpose of the buttons to be at least loosely descriptive of what the user can expect when they press them? I'm also not familiar with OS X, so I have the same trouble with their red, yellow and green. I'm not normally a fan of the Ubuntu should not try to be like OS X argument, but I think in this case it's relevant. Why are you trying to mimic what I'd consider to be a poor design choice? Jonathan, Thank you for the question. The desire to use circles for frame control widgets is not from OSX. The symbolism comes from the Ubuntu logo. As the Impression theme design is based on Ubuntu, IMO it makes sense. As the widgets are small it is difficult to craft icons which display detail. However, if you hover your mouse over the widget a description is display which should novice users. John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hi, I'd like to chime in here. I understand both sides of the don't be like like OSX argument and say that I beleive that we should at least to some extent attempt to differentiate ourselves from OSX and other OS'es as well, to create a unique branding, rather than come off as copycats. Although, if we are able to take the 3 circle theme and make it ours then we are just as well off. My only question is whether we will be able to pull that off or whether people will always associate the 3 circles with OSX, rather than Ubuntu. As far as usability goes, I beleive that the colors themselves convey the use. Which unfortunately means that it will not be very accessible to color blind people. For Macintosh, who's market is mainly artists, this is not a huge problem. But for Ubuntu, who prides itself on accessibility to all, this could pose a significant issue. I'm not sure that hovering to find the use is a very convenient idea. Since color blind folks may not remember it anyways if they can't tell the diffrenece between yellow and orange. Just my 2¢ Ok, I presented a problem. Now here is my solution. There are 2 ways to make visual components accessible to everyone: through use of color profiles, or use of shapes. Implementing color profiles for our purposes, will most likely be rather complicated. So the easiest idea seems to be changing the shapes of the buttons. Before we decide which shapes to use, let us consider the anatomy of window manager buttons. What do I mean by this? I mean that IMHO each of the 3 window manager buttons have their own visual cue words which may be associated with them. Maximize = exanding, increasing, moving Minimize = shrinking, decreasing, slowing Close = closing, bold/strong, stopping So how can we express these visual cues, without sacrificing our idea of colored circles? Well, the first way is by placing shapes within circles, which many will automatically people will shake their heads at, due to the complexity of such a design. So my solution is as follows: change the *outline thickness* of the circles to reflect the action that it represents. For example: Maximize = bold outline Minimize = thin outline Close = filled cirlce or very thick outline (see attached picture for details) I beleive that this solution will allow us to retain our original color cues and basic shapes, as well as create a unique branding that may only be associated with Ubuntu. Please let me hear your feedback! :) attachment: window-button-concept.png-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Jaunty Wallpaper
From: Mads Rosendahl mad...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:31:38 AM Subject: [ubuntu-art] Jaunty Wallpaper Hi I've been working on a LTSP ldm theme (https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-March/009094.html) and thought the artwork perhaps could be reused as desktop wallpaper. I'm currently trying to convert parts of the image to vector graphics, but I've attached a low-res version to show you what it look like. Any feedback is welcome. Wowzers. That is wicked, I love it! -Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] preferences-system-network/network-workgroup
Hello, I must say i have a preference for the white version of the network-workgroup icon. I really like green, but i don't think green and blue fit well, on this one. If you wanna go for green things, here's a pretty awesome globe picture that could be a good inspiration : http://www.sxc.hu/photo/152856 Ps : also wanna say that i really like preferences-system-network, with the screw. It just looks great, and i wish it'll be the one that is kept. Cordially, SD. _ Vous voulez savoir ce que vous pouvez faire avec le nouveau Windows Live ? Lancez-vous ! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Make being root more obvious (scary)
Hello, I just wanted to say that i don't think we're having the good approach, at the moment. It is true that running nautilus as root is clearly not such a great idea, and that the mecanisms used by Thunar are pretty useful. But i don't think modding the whole theme would be a good workaround, for two reasons : - The sudo'd window, with its own theme, may render really badly in the midst of other windows, and some users (like me) just install their themes in /usr/share/themes so that their gksudo'd windows integrate correctly with the other ones. This feature won't make them happy at all. - This would be a very ubuntu-specific workaround for an actually real Gnome problem. Only the themes designed by Ubuntu and the community would take this into account, with a lot of extra work from the theme designers, just for this feature. It would probably have a pretty low impact. What i think to be the most accurate solution is to contact the Gnome developers, and to kindly ask them to do the same thing (and possibly to include the possibility to customize the warning thing, for theme designers). This would be better because it would work with any theme, wouldn't disturb the users as much as modifying the whole theme, and would also benefit other Gnome users. SD. _ Découvrez toutes les possibilités de communication avec vos proches http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Make being root more obvious (scary)
On Wednesday 04 March 2009 18:53:08 Ryan Prior wrote: See this bug [1] and blueprint [2]. The people involved with those might be interested in our solution (a visual warning, while allowing nautilus to run as root) or might convince us that we're wasting time because nautilus should never be run as root anyway. I'd be interested to see. Ryan [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/12154 [2] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/privileged-nautilus I don't think there is any interest in looking into something that has been avoided by choice. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fwd: Wallpaper again
The wallpaper is beautiful, even on se7en. Good work, man! -- Ubuntu FTW! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Make being root more obvious (scary)
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wednesday 04 March 2009 18:53:08 Ryan Prior wrote: See this bug [1] and blueprint [2]. The people involved with those might be interested in our solution (a visual warning, while allowing nautilus to run as root) or might convince us that we're wasting time because nautilus should never be run as root anyway. I'd be interested to see. Ryan [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/12154 [2] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/privileged-nautilus I don't think there is any interest in looking into something that has been avoided by choice. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art +1, compiz doesn't like weird window themes anyway -- Ubuntu FTW! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fwd: Wallpaper again
John fox wrote: Nice, just a thought, maybe if you colud try to incorporate a small jackalope in the grey area would be cool, I must say that I vehemently disagree. I like the fact that we are doing abstract wallpapers. A jackalope is not an abstract concept, it should stay out, it would take away from the wallpaper. Mads Rosendahl: spectacular job on both, I will try them out for a week and then post feedback. Thanks so much! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] applications-science
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:41 PM, spg76 sebastianpo...@gmail.com wrote: I updated the wiki with a new version for applications-science. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Looks much better! Nice job on the slight tilt to the top of the flask. :) Smartboy -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Jaunty Wallpaper
I absolutly love this wallpaper!! I wouldnt change it in any way! (well, except add a inner shadow, but I do that to evey wallpaper :) ) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Jaunty Wallpaper
also, I wouldnt mind getting a super sharp 1600x1200 version! xD (my res is 1440x900) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fwd: Wallpaper again
I agree, I belive the jackalope should stay out of this one :) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Jaunty Wallpaper
And to the darker comment, this is what Im currently using :) (really dont mean to offend Mads Rosendahl!!) http://i44.tinypic.com/sp7uoz.jpg -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Jaunty Wallpaper
errr wrong link (sorry for posting so much in this thread!!) http://i40.tinypic.com/2vwzskk.jpg -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Impression Alpha 5
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 14:38 +, Joseph wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:41:05 -0500 From: Joseph yhar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Impression Alpha 5 To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: e0587bcb0903050541r873662ax937da6111baf5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Joseph yhar...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Joseph yhar...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:44 PM, John Baer bae...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 06:54 +, Jonathan Blackhall wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but I don't quite get the circles. What do they tell me about their purpose? If I didn't already know what the 3 buttons at the top right of the screen did, I wouldn't know what these buttons do. Isn't the purpose of the buttons to be at least loosely descriptive of what the user can expect when they press them? I'm also not familiar with OS X, so I have the same trouble with their red, yellow and green. I'm not normally a fan of the Ubuntu should not try to be like OS X argument, but I think in this case it's relevant. Why are you trying to mimic what I'd consider to be a poor design choice? Jonathan, Thank you for the question. The desire to use circles for frame control widgets is not from OSX. The symbolism comes from the Ubuntu logo. As the Impression theme design is based on Ubuntu, IMO it makes sense. As the widgets are small it is difficult to craft icons which display detail. However, if you hover your mouse over the widget a description is display which should novice users. John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hi, I'd like to chime in here. I understand both sides of the don't be like like OSX argument and say that I beleive that we should at least to some extent attempt to differentiate ourselves from OSX and other OS'es as well, to create a unique branding, rather than come off as copycats. Although, if we are able to take the 3 circle theme and make it ours then we are just as well off. My only question is whether we will be able to pull that off or whether people will always associate the 3 circles with OSX, rather than Ubuntu. As far as usability goes, I beleive that the colors themselves convey the use. Which unfortunately means that it will not be very accessible to color blind people. For Macintosh, who's market is mainly artists, this is not a huge problem. But for Ubuntu, who prides itself on accessibility to all, this could pose a significant issue. I'm not sure that hovering to find the use is a very convenient idea. Since color blind folks may not remember it anyways if they can't tell the diffrenece between yellow and orange. Just my 2? Ok, I presented a problem. Now here is my solution. There are 2 ways to make visual components accessible to everyone: through use of color profiles, or use of shapes. Implementing color profiles for our purposes, will most likely be rather complicated. So the easiest idea seems to be changing the shapes of the buttons. Before we decide which shapes to use, let us consider the anatomy of window manager buttons. What do I mean by this? I mean that IMHO each of the 3 window manager buttons have their own visual cue words which may be associated with them. Maximize = exanding, increasing, moving Minimize = shrinking, decreasing, slowing Close = closing, bold/strong, stopping So how can we express these visual cues, without sacrificing our idea of colored circles? Well, the first way is by placing shapes within circles, which many will automatically people will shake their heads at, due to the complexity of such a design. So my solution is as follows: change the *outline thickness* of the circles to reflect the action that it represents. For example: Maximize = bold outline Minimize = thin outline Close = filled cirlce or very thick outline (see attached picture for details) I beleive that this solution will allow us to retain our original color cues and basic shapes, as well as create a unique branding that may only be associated with Ubuntu. Please let me hear your feedback! :) Thanks for the feed back! I will give it a try this weekend. John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] A note on wallpaper dimensions
Just recently I got a totally awesome 24 monitor. (Yay! It's a Samsung T240, going up from a Dell 17. I can't get over how big it is). To my dismay, Ubuntu's default wallpaper was stretched way beyond its means at the monitor's native resolution (1920x1200). GNOME's backgrounds all look fine; they seem to standardize on fitting precisely that. It looks like most other operating systems shoot for the same target, including Windows. Perhaps Ubuntu should aim for the same as well, since 1080p is getting quite common in computer displays and will probably remain standard for a while. It is a shame to think that users with beautiful displays are welcomed to a new Ubuntu release by fuzzy, stretched graphics. Thanks, -Dylan-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A note on wallpaper dimensions
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Dylan McCall dylanmcc...@gmail.com wrote: Just recently I got a totally awesome 24 monitor. (Yay! It's a Samsung T240, going up from a Dell 17. I can't get over how big it is). To my dismay, Ubuntu's default wallpaper was stretched way beyond its means at the monitor's native resolution (1920x1200). GNOME's backgrounds all look fine; they seem to standardize on fitting precisely that. It looks like most other operating systems shoot for the same target, including Windows. Perhaps Ubuntu should aim for the same as well, since 1080p is getting quite common in computer displays and will probably remain standard for a while. It is a shame to think that users with beautiful displays are welcomed to a new Ubuntu release by fuzzy, stretched graphics. Thanks, -Dylan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art In a similar vein, ensuring that the wallpapers look good on different aspect ratios is important as well. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A note on wallpaper dimensions
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Michael McKinley m.mckin...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Dylan McCall dylanmcc...@gmail.com wrote: Just recently I got a totally awesome 24 monitor. (Yay! It's a Samsung T240, going up from a Dell 17. I can't get over how big it is). To my dismay, Ubuntu's default wallpaper was stretched way beyond its means at the monitor's native resolution (1920x1200). GNOME's backgrounds all look fine; they seem to standardize on fitting precisely that. It looks like most other operating systems shoot for the same target, including Windows. Perhaps Ubuntu should aim for the same as well, since 1080p is getting quite common in computer displays and will probably remain standard for a while. It is a shame to think that users with beautiful displays are welcomed to a new Ubuntu release by fuzzy, stretched graphics. Thanks, -Dylan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art In a similar vein, ensuring that the wallpapers look good on different aspect ratios is important as well. Just as we have a work-flow designed to make icons look good at different sizes, perhaps we should have a mechanism that ensures different resolutions and aspect ratios are sufficiently covered. I know I've seen a list of all the different aspect ratios and screen sizes in use: such a list could be used as a starting point. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
