Re: [ubuntu-art] A concept video that someone made

[Nathan Beaumont]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Sam  wrote:

> I know it is a taboo to post a link to a youtube video, but you all have to
> see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0r6tINInrw&feature=fvw
>
> We should try to
> do this for Lucid+2
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I think most of this would be up to the programmers to edit the GTK, not the
art team.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Silver Theme

[Nathan Beaumont]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Who  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Nathan Beaumont 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Sam  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Nathan Beaumont 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I short question here, is there a default installed silver style theme
> >>> for Ubuntu I don't know about?
> >>
> >> No, but you can easily (read hopefully) find one on gnome-look.org
> >>
> > The best ones I found were direct OSX copies. Are ubuntu themes just
> > pictures and a text or XML file telling the pictures were to go, like in
> > firefox?
> > --
>
> There's more than one way to write themes for Ubuntu and it's not
> immediately clear what's going on :)
>
> For a start, there isn't a single 'theme' file. A theme is made up of
> a bunch of components
>
> -gtk theme - changes the look of 'widgets' - buttons, lists, menus,
> scrollbars, etc
> -metacity theme - changes the look of the window borders
> - GDM theme - the login screen
> -icon theme
> - bootup theme - I don't know how this works anymore - I think it's
> different in Lucid
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/LucidBootExperience
>  and then there are lots of other areas and aspects, such as
> individual applications' splash screens, themes for applications that
> don't use GTK, tweaks to icon themes, etc.
>
> This (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu) is really old
> now, but it does at least attempt to break down a 'theme' in to the
> components required to make it feel complete.
>
> Having said that, a huge impact can be made on the system by changing
> just the GTK and Metacity themes.
>
> There's a lot of information on the Internet about these, and I am
> certainly no authority - I always find it helps to have a basic
> outline before you start trying to search for stuff, so here's an
> attempt:
> GTK themes are split in to 'GTK Theme Engines' and 'Gtk Theme files
> (gtkrc)' - the theme file is a description of the way any particular
> engine must behave when drawing the predefined GTK elements. In a
> fashion similar to CSS, it involves defining 'styles' that are then
> applied to certain types of element when they are drawn by the theme
> engine. For example, you could have the 'button' style that had a
> different colour when not selected to a 'menu' style.
>
> There are a range of engines that I see as falling in to two
> categories: engines that use images and engines that draw the widgets
> themselves. Of the first category pixbuf and eXperience spring to
> mind. As for the latter, clearlooks, murrine, smooth, xfce, nodoka and
> aurora spring to mind - I'm sure there are new ones these days.
>
> I hope that helps. This might also help:
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials
>
> Enjoy making a theme :)
> Who
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The tutorial you linked (http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes)
was very helpful. Thank you for your explanation. I'll mess around with this
and get back to you guys if i come up with something.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Silver Theme

[Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)]

On 08/04/2010 07:09, Nathan Beaumont wrote:
> I short question here, is there a default installed silver style theme
> for Ubuntu I don't know about? If there isn't, is someone working on
> something similar? I was thinking of a Leopard/Silver Windows XP style,
> for anyone switching from that style to Ubuntu it might seem more familiar.
> I'm a newbie to Ubuntu so I'm sorry if there seems like a stupid question.

If you find one on gnome-look (or elsewhere) that you like and would 
like packaged for Ubuntu give me a ping and I'll add it to my to-do list 
for maverick :)

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[ubuntu-art] A concept video that someone made

[Sam]

I know it is a taboo to post a link to a youtube video, but you all have to
see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0r6tINInrw&feature=fvw

We should try to do
this for Lucid+2

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Silver Theme

[Сергей]

2010/4/8 iceman snowman 

> You would think that after all these years, there would be a more humane
> way of making themes. :P I feel it's unnecessarily complex. I'm no
> programmer, so I'm just gonna throw this out there: Will 3 (Shell) feature a
> non-idiotic way of making themes?
>

The look and feel of Shell itself is defined by JavaScript and CSS (but
nobody guarantees that JavaScript will be easily changed by the user). It's
not simple, but relatively powerful way.

By the way, Metacity theme is XML, GTK uses its own, but very simple and
natural syntax, and icons are just icons in PNG or SVG.
Lucid uses Plymouth for boot splash (IMHO, either artists either developers
at Canonical are crazy - you can draw the same with USplash and get lots of
benefits, like reliable Nvidia drivers and ATI video board support). Three
very good Plymouth tutorials are collected here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Plymouth

I'm not sure about XSplash, but I think it's used too.

And I can't say that existing ways of making themes are idiotic. GUI tools
for the same things will work very badly, existing markups are much better.
CSS should be even better because it's very common and well-documented.

As an example of full artwork change in Karmic I can recommend Ubuntu Furry
Remix: https://launchpad.net/ufurmix
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Silver Theme

[Nate Wiebe]

>From the information that I've heard, there might be a new gtk engine that 
>uses css. If you download gnome-shell right now, in 
>/usr/share/gnome-shell/theme there are some png's, svg's and a css file. The 
>pictures in there are used in the interface and the css file contains theme 
>information. I have it pasted here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/411003/ . I'm 
>hoping that this will make the interface easier to customise.

-NateW






You would think that after all these years, there would be a more humane way of 
making themes. :P I feel it's unnecessarily complex. I'm no programmer, so I'm 
just gonna throw this out there: Will 3 (Shell) feature a non-idiotic way of 
making themes?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Cleaning up Community Themes

[j_baer]

Andrew SB wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Andrew SB  wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Kenneth Wimer  wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 07 April 2010 02:13:53 pm j_baer wrote:
 Andrew,
> 
 I know I updated the Impression series to bring it into alignment with
 default and others may have uploaded "last minute" tweaks as well.
> 
>>> This should definitely be updated as it contains a fix for the button
>>> order
>>> changes in Impression.
>>
>> Doing an upload containing these changes is on my to-do list for tonight.
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I just got a chance to review the changes. It sets the icon theme as
> Humanity for Impression. Are you sure that is what is intended?
> Previously, it had been using Humanity-Dark. Night-Impression still
> does as well. As Impression has a black panel, I would think that
> Humanity-Dark would be the better choice.
> 
> Let me know...
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Andrew
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I may have already replied to this late last night but as I don't see it
this morning I will send it again. :)

First - thank you for validating the package. I uploaded to the wiki new tar
files and did a test install this morning to make sure everything is
correct. 

If you have any questions or concerns please let me know.

I plan to work on the wiki this weekend and will have a draft for the team
to review then.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Silver Theme

[iceman snowman]

You would think that after all these years, there would be a more humane way of 
making themes. :P I feel it's unnecessarily complex. I'm no programmer, so I'm 
just gonna throw this out there: Will 3 (Shell) feature a non-idiotic way of 
making themes?


Thank you
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Silver Theme

[Who]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Nathan Beaumont  wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Sam  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Nathan Beaumont 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I short question here, is there a default installed silver style theme
>>> for Ubuntu I don't know about?
>>
>> No, but you can easily (read hopefully) find one on gnome-look.org
>>
> The best ones I found were direct OSX copies. Are ubuntu themes just
> pictures and a text or XML file telling the pictures were to go, like in
> firefox?
> --

There's more than one way to write themes for Ubuntu and it's not
immediately clear what's going on :)

For a start, there isn't a single 'theme' file. A theme is made up of
a bunch of components

-gtk theme - changes the look of 'widgets' - buttons, lists, menus,
scrollbars, etc
-metacity theme - changes the look of the window borders
- GDM theme - the login screen
-icon theme
- bootup theme - I don't know how this works anymore - I think it's
different in Lucid
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/LucidBootExperience
 and then there are lots of other areas and aspects, such as
individual applications' splash screens, themes for applications that
don't use GTK, tweaks to icon themes, etc.

This (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu) is really old
now, but it does at least attempt to break down a 'theme' in to the
components required to make it feel complete.

Having said that, a huge impact can be made on the system by changing
just the GTK and Metacity themes.

There's a lot of information on the Internet about these, and I am
certainly no authority - I always find it helps to have a basic
outline before you start trying to search for stuff, so here's an
attempt:
GTK themes are split in to 'GTK Theme Engines' and 'Gtk Theme files
(gtkrc)' - the theme file is a description of the way any particular
engine must behave when drawing the predefined GTK elements. In a
fashion similar to CSS, it involves defining 'styles' that are then
applied to certain types of element when they are drawn by the theme
engine. For example, you could have the 'button' style that had a
different colour when not selected to a 'menu' style.

There are a range of engines that I see as falling in to two
categories: engines that use images and engines that draw the widgets
themselves. Of the first category pixbuf and eXperience spring to
mind. As for the latter, clearlooks, murrine, smooth, xfce, nodoka and
aurora spring to mind - I'm sure there are new ones these days.

I hope that helps. This might also help:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials

Enjoy making a theme :)
Who

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Silver Theme

[Joeri Jungschlager]

You cault check the source code.
As I thought most Unix Systems are C or XML.
Out of my head (I at my mom so can't check) Ubuntu themes are xml but you
cault check the built up by download a costume theme.
Like Mac4lin

On 8 April 2010 07:29, Nathan Beaumont  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Sam  wrote:
>
>>  On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Nathan Beaumont 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I short question here, is there a default installed silver style theme
>>> for Ubuntu I don't know about?
>>>
>>
>> No, but you can easily (read hopefully) find one on gnome-look.org
>>
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>> The best ones I found were direct OSX copies. Are ubuntu themes just
> pictures and a text or XML file telling the pictures were to go, like in
> firefox?
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