Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-06 Thread Adam
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 18:40 +0200, supermod wrote:

 On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 01:11 +0100, Adam wrote:
  i dont like to show osx as an example but look at this  pic:
  http://www.macupdate.com/images/screens/uploaded/26915_scr.png
  look at the details, the timeline at the bottom, the glassy bars etc,
  its all impossible in gtk. Cimi coded the rgba support for gtk, did
  they implemented it?
 
 How about QT? Could this be possible in QT?

i am not an expert, but much more thing possible in qt than in GTK, and
now they have this new IDE: the QT Creator, which looks great.
http://trolltech.com/developer/qt-creator 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-05 Thread Adam


 At the current state I would bet on three (or more years) until things are 
 really done. Trust me, I was involved in the kde 3 to 4 transition and it has 
 taken more time than planned.
 
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so how are we gonna compete with others who already have the features
what gtk developers just plan to implement in 3 years?!
I like gnome, I use gnome, I dont feel comfortable in Kde, but I can say
it has way less features than Kde at some point, and it seems for me the
API has less than qt as well.
for example talking about file management, dolphins interface with all
the views and everything is much developed than nautilus, or they have a
real alternative to total commander with krusader.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam
i totally agree.. the new murrine engines gives us an awsome tool, but
it wont help applications like rhythmbox and nautilus or totem, or
openoffice which is the ugliest thing ever. I know its more like suns
fault or the gnome developers. gnome doesnt have any improvements at
all. its like one more button here and there, but thats it since the
last one. I like gnome more than kde, but I dont deny that kde apps have
more features, and now with kde4 they have more design as well..

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 12:38 -0600, Ryan Prior wrote:

 Hear hear; a lot of the talk/whining about theming engines boils down
 to a desire to put more lipstick on the pigs that are Nautilus,
 Rhythmbox, Firefox, etc.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam


On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 00:33 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote:

 On Wednesday 05 November 2008 00:30:50 Michael Stephenson wrote:
  2008/11/4 Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
rhythmbox and nautilus or totem, or openoffice which is the ugliest
   thing ever.
 
  What do people expect from totem? its a media player, it has a viewing
  window play/pause, skip forwards and skip backwards and volume, how do you
  jazz that up without adding meaningless crap?
 
 waste less space, make it more usable and at the same time make it more 
 attractive (I'll admit that some of this means gtk and not totem, actually I 
 would put totem at the bottom of the really needs work list).
 
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Thx Kenneth, thats kind of what i would have said.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam


 
 The gnome panel simply needs help...probably won't ever happen, just like 
 major gtk changes...too 


So they dont even plan on improving gtk?


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam
i dont like to show osx as an example but look at this  pic:
http://www.macupdate.com/images/screens/uploaded/26915_scr.png
look at the details, the timeline at the bottom, the glassy bars etc,
its all impossible in gtk. Cimi coded the rgba support for gtk, did they
implemented it?


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Canonical's approach to Jaunty

2008-11-04 Thread Adam


 
 Implementing rgba support in gtk is a tricky issue. I openly offered
 to 
 sponsor someone to implement this and nobody would do it. In my
 experience it 
 is almost impossible to change gtk, even if you are willing to pay for
 it.
 
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does it mean that gnomes experience stopped at a point? :) or i am
misunderstanding something?
gtk needs help for sure if it wants to compete on a long run with qt or
wutever windows and osx uses.


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[ubuntu-art] Breathe harddrive

2008-10-26 Thread Adam
Have you guys seen this hdd icon? i got it in
OxygenRefit2-orange-version set from gnome-look. I think you could
consider this or something like this!
Adam


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Re: [ubuntu-art] intrepid update

2008-10-12 Thread Adam
considering your thoughts here goes some changes:

http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/adamconceptr.png

i ll upload the packages somewhere so everybody can try how it works.
the background color sets the color of the toolbars, so its very easy to
customize with colors. should be a good experiment.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] intrepid update

2008-10-10 Thread Adam
How do you guys like this?
http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/adamconceptr.png

it has no pixmaps, only pure murrine. i started it as a deviation of the
dust theme, so its based on Ricos code. Avoiding pixmaps solves a lot of
issues. for example it lets you change any colors.

Only problems are the applications with java based guis, however i think
in the next cycle we have to push them to their guis, since its stupid
to avoid themes with gradient toolbars because of some developers who
doesnt care about their gui, or becouse of java the bad java
implementation. Ubuntu is strong enough to push them to fix their
issues.

By the way, if anyone knows how to address the toolbar for every
java?swing application in gtkrc, than please let me know, it would solve
every bug. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] intrepid update

2008-10-10 Thread Adam



On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 17:00 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 16:30 +0200, Adam wrote:
  How do you guys like this?
  http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/adamconceptr.png
 
 While i can only encourage tinkering with themes, I have to say that
 I think the grey is ... too cold. Contrast between brown and grey is
 rather jarring to my eyes.

i ve put the one color brown background because i thought it wouldnt
misslead your attention.

as i mentioned the colors are very easy to change.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe rhythmbox

2008-10-08 Thread Adam
hi, how can i use these icons? i mean i downloaded the svg, and after
opening it in inkscape i read this text about some python script which
makes the .png files. where can i find this script and how can i use it?

On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 14:08 -0300, spg76 wrote:
 I submitted a new icon for rhythmbox. Let me know what you think.
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

2008-10-07 Thread Adam

can you make one with a better quality so the shadows on the sides
doesnt look weird. and i would love one without the shadows at all.



On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 01:42 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
 
 Smartboy wrote:
  
  On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Rico Sta. Cruz
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
  
 
  Okay, update. Here's a more sophisticated remix (at least I'd like to
  think)
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper
 
  Direct link to image:
 
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=earthenibex-full-text.png
 
 
  Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
  
   If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
   http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
   ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
   (bummer!).
  
   SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
   isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
   http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
   (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
  
  
  
 
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  Wow! Thats fantastic! I think that if you got rid of the ubuntu logo, text
  and slogan, then it could seriously contend to be part of Ubuntu. I wonder
  if Ken is still watching this, because the current wallpaper in ibex is
  creating a storm of angry people, and since he said on his blog its a
  test,
  then I think he still may be open to wallpapers (we can always hope).
  
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 Updated with some cleanups (getting rid of the too much scatter, and the
 background texture was cleaned up to not be so dominant)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version

2008-10-04 Thread Adam
i totally agree, the colors are not subjective, and very important
elements of the whole look. Most people wont change there color shame,
while they judge many things at the first sight. However I wouldnt say
that only the gray-white-blue works, it can be a good tone of orange or
other colors.


On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 15:11 +0300, SorinN wrote:
 Rico I like your energy ...but about - Color schemes are probably
 one of the most subjective things I wish to ask you if U are
 sure ..or U just think ?
 
 Because I am sure AND - Color schemes are NOT one of the most
 subjective things.
 
 There are rules - researches -  studies - case studies - GUI studies,
 CROMOTHERAPY is a part of the recovery medicine, etc. Apple use those
 known rules - we won't ( is so simple... ).
 
 Finally - you will think what you like. I think about what I learn and
 use on a daily basis.
 
 Second Point : those who prefer a grey scheme can always adjust the
 colors themselves. - again a bit of subjectivity - US, WE, ..
 the fans of Ubuntu, ultrafans... we know how to change colors - no
 problem.
 
 But think about Ubuntu scope that is to replace $MS on a large scale -
 Ubuntu is not just for 3 fans like us. Designers / Photographers /
 Hobbysts... 
 
 Normal peoples from the  institutions / entreprises ..and most home
 userbase where XP / Vista will be replaced,  are non geeks or linux
 pro - they will not change any color... ever...
 
 This is also studied / practically observed ( they do their work -
 then go home - after 100 years they will use the same win 98 UI on
 Vista for example, because they start with Win95 or 98 - so they call
 peoples like me to do this simple switch from Aero to basic because
 they don't know how to ).
 
 Finally  - Some will always prefer one over the other. - Man - of
 course water is liquid - but that's not the point here - Will be
 usable for the rest of the world OR just for few fans and peoples with
 free time  ?? 
 ( that's the game between brown - red - orange schemes and gray -
 lightgray - lightblue schemes  ) .
 
 My respect, and 5 cents.
 SorinN
 
 2008/9/22 Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Just a word of advice:
 It's a bit of a moot point to decide on which to go with: a
 warm
 (beige/orange) or neutral grey color scheme. Some will always
 prefer one
 over the other.
 
 IMHO, you don't have to adjust the colors of your theme just
 because
 everyone clamored to have it as orange/yellow/grey/blue. Color
 schemes are
 probably one of the most subjective things. Just stick to your
 vision and
 make the nicest execution for what you have in mind. Anyway,
 the colors are
 adjustable for a reason: those who prefer a grey scheme can
 always adjust
 the colors themselves.
 
 
 Cheers!
 Rico
 
 
 
 
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  I maded a clear version of Naxos Theme. Gray and orange.
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear.png
 
  For try the theme:
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear-0.5.tar.gz
 
  Opinions?
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

2008-10-04 Thread Adam
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 05:42 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
 Okay, update. Here's a more sophisticated remix (at least I'd like to think)
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper
 
 Direct link to image:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=earthenibex-full-text.png

Very nice work Rico, a little dark for me, but still very nice!



 Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
  
  If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
  http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
  ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
  (bummer!).
  
  SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
  isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
  http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
  (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
  
  
  
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Let the disappointments begin?

2008-10-01 Thread Adam
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 13:46 +0100, Odysseus Flappington wrote:
 
 On 30/09/2008, Eric Appleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If we keep bitching and moaning, then we might as well deserve
 to be
 stuck with Human (Murrine) as our default.
 
 
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 There's a point where bitching and moaning becomes unproductive. But
 at the same time, realizing that Ubuntu has received a lot of hype
 regarding the new theme for probably a year now, and you don't let
 something like that get so hyped up and then expect everyone not to
 notice when you don't fulfill the expectation.
 
 Every single article, review and assessment of Ubuntu lately have
 promoted the idea that we would be receiving a new theme soon, and
 that hype is something that Ubuntu and Canonical have benefitted from.
 It's something we've all benefitted from as Ubuntu users.
 
 And all this time, not one officially affiliated Ubuntu/Canonical
 community member has disputed the introduction of the new theme in
 Intrepid. Hype, publicity and media is a dangerous thing and can
 backfire on you very easily. I personally think it would be a very bad
 PR move by Canonical/Ubuntu not to come through on the new theme,
 since it is dangerous to mismanage your users expectations so badly. 
 
 You or I may be able to say, whatever, I'll install my own theme. But
 I'm not sure that I can promote and advocate a product with which I
 personally am unhappy how my own expectations have been managed.
 
 I personally am very much hoping though, that this is a ballsy PR
 move, and that they're going to wait till everyone's completely up in
 arms about it, and then come through with a winning move. If that's
 the case, risky, but respect since they're taking the game to another
 level :P
 
 Alex

I totaly agree, it was a very bad move to disappoint the users, while
Ubuntu really needs an interface lift if wants to stay in competition
with OSX and Vista.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust menubar evolution

2008-09-30 Thread Adam
On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 19:43 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
 Hi everyone.
 
 Just wanted to show you guys the recent unreleased developments on this
 theme.
 
 1) Light toolbars
 The toolbars are going to be light by default. The dark, menu-integrated
 toolbars will still be used by browser- and viewer-type applications where
 the entire area below the toolbars is dedicated to content (i.e.: Firefox,
 Nautilus, Eye of Gnome, Evince...)
 
 http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9896/dusttoolbarko0.png
 
 Rationale: Aside from the fact that the dark toolbars cause problems on
 certain apps, I wanted to create a distinction between types of
 applications, while still staying visually coherent. If you look at OSX,
 there are certain apps that use a different look (brushed metal) from the
 rest, but the interface still manages to be solid.


isnt it possible to make the opposite of it? and make the dark toolbar
default, and than define the apps (for example with the ones with java
interfaces, which cant handle the dark widget like openoffice, firefox,
freemind, etc) that would use the light toolbar?
maybe it is possible to set all the java interfaces at one place, like 
widget JAVAGtkWidget*Toolbar* style murrine-default
just a guess.
what do you think?

 2) Light version.
 Just tryin' it out. Here's Sand:
 
 http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4532/dustsand2ks2.png
 
 3) New scrollbars!
 Okay, I'm sure there will be vehement reactions to this. Bear with me as
 scrollbars are *hard* to design: you can never be sure they will look good
 everywhere! With that out of the way, here they are:
 
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6352/dustnewscrollbarsfj4.png
 
 
 Comments welcome.
 
 
 PRGUY85 wrote:
  
  *Hi all.
  
  I've been testing Dust theme since its first release, very kind of it, but
  I
  think we're getting away from the original mockup, sometimes it's good,
  but
  sometimes it's bad : looking at the menubars, the original mockup is very
  clean. It's dark, compact, and the gradient is very soft, quite clean in
  fact. Looking back at the actual version of Dust, there are gradients
  everywhere in the top of a window :). Three of them in a Nautilus window,
  which is a little confusing I must say. Plus, the colors have gone lighter
  and lighter, and we now have a dark _grey_ theme, instead of the original
  dark one. Now Dust feels much glossier, I think, and less usable IMHO.
  
  
  Screenshot : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8178/dustmenubargv6.png .
  
  And keep up the great work !
  
  Steph.*
  
  Totally agree.  Dust had me in the beginning but it has gone way off
  the first released mockup.  I think the 3 different gradient areas in
  Nautilus should be worked into one unison color gradient.
  Here is where I prefer New Wave, however Dust has a great metacity
  theme and the black is better than the gray at times in my opinion.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

2008-09-30 Thread Adam
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 09:28 +0100, Danny King wrote:
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
 
 Great work there Sebastian, I really like your use of shadow and the
 perspective is really good. I think the blue bin is the best - I
 really want to reach out and touch it, which is the design goal. You
 can tell that a lot of work has gone into it :)
 
 The darker, lower half of the red and yellow bins seem too dark - on
 the other two it looks perfect. Also perhaps the recycling logo could
 be lighter? It appears to me to be slightly pink, maybe it's my eyes.
 The shadow underneath all of the bins is clipped so they need to be
 made a little smaller
 
 I do like the wonderful colours you've used, but I still (personally)
 feel that I can't relate any of them to a real world material. They
 look like matte plastic (which I really like) but I don't think I've
 ever seen such a bright matte plastic bin!

in my country public bins look like this:
http://kultura.hu/img/upload/200703/kuka.jpg
http://www.alon.hu/blogs/media/1kuka_kis.jpg

so there are plastic bins :)


 
 Also, just thinking about the 'full' trash can icon, assuming we used
 the tried and tested 'scrunched up paper', I don't think there would
 be enough space at the top to fit in the paper, so that's a +1 in
 favour of resizing a little (at least the 256 size) from my point of
 view.
 
 All in all, a fantastic icon! I think with a few tweaks this might be
 a good one to base the rest of the theme on - what do people think?
 Should we start using matte plastic where applicable on other icons
 for consistency?
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message

2008-09-28 Thread Adam
this is because of some legal issues.


On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 12:31 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote:
 Il giorno sab, 27/09/2008 alle 17.05 -0400, Vadim Peretokin ha scritto:
  There is a fork of Cinerella, called Linerella or something like that.
  
  But yeah, movie editing for the average human on Linux is out of
  reach, unless you're a Hollywood movie studio. But I don't even want
  to know the prices on that software.
  
 Another goal is a very user-friendly DVD Reader. Totem in not always
 simple to use or configure, for example to see DVD Menu is must remove
 totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine. This discourages many people
 that in other systems must only play and use.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message

2008-09-28 Thread Adam
On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 13:18 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote:
 Il giorno dom, 28/09/2008 alle 12.41 +0200, Adam ha scritto:
  
  
  On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 12:31 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote:
   Il giorno sab, 27/09/2008 alle 17.05 -0400, Vadim Peretokin ha scritto:
There is a fork of Cinerella, called Linerella or something like that.

But yeah, movie editing for the average human on Linux is out of
reach, unless you're a Hollywood movie studio. But I don't even want
to know the prices on that software.

   Another goal is a very user-friendly DVD Reader. Totem in not always
   simple to use or configure, for example to see DVD Menu is must remove
   totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine. This discourages many people
   that in other systems must only play and use.
   
   gp
   
   
  
  this is because of some legal issues
 
 I don't tell of codecs, I know. But an easy way to use it. More
 user-friendly DVD-Reader or solutions for it.
 
 gp
 
it could offer a solution the same way it does with mp3s and other audio 
codecs, so you just click and it works, right?


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

2008-09-27 Thread Adam
i like this wallpaper very much, the revision of the background is cool,
but i dont get why not to leave the ibex, since it doesnt take the whole
place it can have more contrast, and focus.


On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 04:15 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
 Aw, bummer. Imageshack resized it down. Use this link instead:
 http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/114190/2009%20Dust/bare.png
 
 
 Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
  
  If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
  http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
  ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
  (bummer!).
  
  SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
  isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
  http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
  (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
  
  
  
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

2008-09-27 Thread Adam
Rico!

what did u use to make that ibex? ps or gimp?


On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 04:13 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
 If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
 http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
 ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
 (bummer!).
 
 SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
 isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
 http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
 (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
 
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Metacity composite

2008-09-27 Thread Adam
why would we need opengl backend for metacity? we have compiz for that,
while people who doesnt have a hardware to enable compiz, still can have
nice shadows, and basic things. this is a good workaround for them.

On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 13:57 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote:
 
 
 2008/9/27 Danny Piccirillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Are crazy compiz-like effects being worked on or will they
 be? 
  
 Please do not top-post.
  
 Anyway, the current compositing inside metacity is using Xrender,
 which is compatible with almost any hardware and supports software
 rendering (so it permits shadows on any hardware), though is not
 comparable with openGL for rich effects. With the Xrender
 implementation compiz-like effects will NOT be implemented.
 Even though Iain (the guy who added compositing inside metacity), did
 a very good modular job, meaning that in the future someone could
 write a new backend using openGL and not Xrender, allowing compiz-like
 effects.
 For example, some guys at ohand, already wrote an experimental backend
 using clutter, metacity-clutter.
 
 Cheers
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Cory K.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Danny Piccirillo wrote:
  Sorry if this is slightly off topic but I read a
 while ago that
  Metacity was adding composite features like
 transparency, etc. When
  will this be available? Does this mean that at some
 point we may be
  able to get all the features of compiz with metacity
 and be able to
  ditch compiz fusion? This would open up a lot more
 possibilities for
  themes, wouldn't it?
 
 Please do not top-post.
 
 Its actually available in Hardy but doesn't have crazy
 Compiz effects.
 
 In gconf: '/apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager'
 Click the box.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

2008-09-27 Thread Adam
thats why i was asking, i think its impossible to make those patterns
with gimp. very nice.

On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 05:11 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
 PS, dudes. Forgive me father for I have sinned.
 
 
 Adam Gusztav Nagy wrote:
  
  Rico!
  
  what did u use to make that ibex? ps or gimp?
  
  
  On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 04:13 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
  If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
  http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
  ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
  (bummer!).
  
  SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
  isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
  http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
  (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
  
  
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ibex Wallpaper

2008-09-27 Thread Adam
at second thought i like this ibex fade in the would. can you make the
background lighter and a version without the shadows around? please :)

On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 04:13 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
 If anyone remembers my Ibex wallpaper, here's a quick revision:
 http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
 ...I can't verify the source of the background wood texture though
 (bummer!).
 
 SO: If anyone else wants to do their own remix, here's the composition
 isolated in an alpha-blended PNG. Have fun!
 http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8062/bareos1.png
 (Hi-res 2.1MB PNG)
 
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 39, Issue 67

2008-09-26 Thread Adam
On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 12:43 +0100, Gary Stanley wrote:
 I feel much the same way. I’ve been watching the art discussion list
 for quite some time and the one thing that comes across more than
 anything (or it appears like it to me) is that the art side of
 development is almost like an afterthought.

i totally agree, and i think that everybody is expecting the new theme
as well, however this is the ubuntu-art list and if we dont know about
this new theme than i dont know who would.

we have good and nice community themes. dust is my personal favorite,
but it is still very buggy, and many bugs cannot be fixed without the
applications developers. the only way it could be implemented is if they
would put it in default at the beginning of the next release, so all the
developers have 6 months to correct there application interfaces.
most of the problems come from the different background and toolbar
color btw.

  
 
 Don’t get me wrong, I applaud the effort in killing bugs and bringing
 out better software to be included in the next release,  but the lack
 of a “pretty” interface it isn’t helping the migration of users over
 to Linux from Windows or Apple when they are used to certain “eye
 candy” on those operating systems and that is all they care about …
 Canonical and Ubuntu are missing a trick here in my lowly opinion.
 
  
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
 Garate
 Sent: 26 September 2008 12:22
 To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 39, Issue 67
 
 
  
 
 I'm really disappointed if the new theme has been postponed again.
 This is exactly what happened for the hardy release :(
 
 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message

2008-09-26 Thread Adam

 So we need:
 -Vid editor 
 -Third party office support(PS, After Effects, AutoCad..)
 
 And a pretty interface, of course!

i agree we need a good video editor, like imovie, and openoffice is
great but they have so dumb mistakes (for example if you would use a lot
of shortcuts like alt+menushortcut+menuitemshortcut, in openoffice ater
u hit alt it opens the file menu so you have to hit escape and than
start hitting the other shortcuts, seems a stupid thing but if u use
office all day u need these shotcuts..)
or comparing impress to apples keynote.. different dimensions.

however i dont think the games are so important. people play on xbox not
on pc anymore.

 
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[ubuntu-art] GDM face browser

2008-09-23 Thread Adam
hi,

i am just wondering whats going on about Macslows GDM face browser, is
it going to be implemented in the ibex?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Help Testing Dust Theme

2008-09-23 Thread Adam
i dont see any problem with the black toolbars, since every other part
of the theme is light grey, it is very easy on the eyes. The point is
its not like the others, something new, something less boring. Changing
something doesnt mean it is worse, it means it is different, it is new.
it would be a bad sign if a good theme wouldnt be accepted just because
the artwork theme doesnt dare to change.

the purple selected color doesnt have too much with ubuntu, but its
something that anybody can change easily.

i attach a variant of mine i hope Rico wont mind.

On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 12:55 +0300, SorinN wrote:
 OK,
 
 first problem is not a bug - entire theme is pretty OK as design but
 the main problem is ..it is black.
 This is the ultimate way to become usable by the normal peoples -
 and that's the point. Ubuntu need to be a distro for all not for a
 superior elite as many MAC users pretend to be ( an they had their
 own right to say that - they had a simple, usable UI, nothing more,
 nothing less  ). And here ( as a designer ) I'm thinking about peoples
 on offices, enterprises, institutions. Dust is nice but please try a
 ligher gray / blue version like other nice themes do -  AIR ( for
 Gnome ),  Chrome-Like, Cromibuntu, Murinne Frozen, Mithbuntu.
 
 Not all peoples know to change colors - and many of them will not do
 that ..ever.
 
 my 3,14 cents
 
 2008/9/22 Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Dust has now been migrated to Launchpad.
 I've set up bug trackers for the GTK and Firefox themes.
 Please use them for
 any bug reports:
 
   https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme
   https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme-firefox
 
 You can also check out the code over at
 https://launchpad.net/dusttheme and
 https://launchpad.net/dusttheme-firefox.
 
 (Btw, Dust Firefox is also out:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme)
 
 
 
 John Baer wrote:
 
  I downloaded the Dust-20080920.tar.gz file from the Wiki
 and when I
  attempt to extract the contents I receive an error. :(
 
  I was able to get some items from the archive by pulling
 them out
  one-by-one.
 
  Placing the folder Dust into my .themes folder did
 permit me to
  choose the theme.
 
  But I do not know what engine I'm using. I assume
 Metacity? If this is
  true, what about Murrine?
 
  What would be helpful is a testing guide.
 
  Test Dust Metacity engine
 
  Step 1
  ... Do this
 
  Step 2
  ... Do this
 
  Test Dust Murrine engine
 
  Step 1
  ... Do this
 
  Test Borderless function
 
  etc.
 
  I apologize if I am making this too hard. I am using
 Intrepid Alpha 6 as
  my test OS.
 
  Cheers,
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Cimi is next to remove his subscription

2008-09-23 Thread Adam
Is there anybody taking care of the murrine project without you working
on it?


On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 16:33 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote:
 Hi guys, and thanks for your ideas and emails.
 I'm forced to unsubscribe from this list, I will not have time to
 follow emails and participate into discussions in the future years.
 I can't work on Murrine as before, but don't worry, the development
 version is great and its features will guarantee a fantastic
 customizability to the users that will learn how to tweak its options.
 The development was done with the future in mind, and it needs just
 new themes which use its great potential.
 
 Even though, if you find out bugs or enhancements please read those
 two links and use the bugzilla:
 http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/23/mockups-for-murrine/
 http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/22/please-use-the-bugzilla-for-bugreport-or-feature-requests/
 
 Cheers and have great fun ;)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Cimi is next to remove his subscription

2008-09-23 Thread Adam
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 17:10 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote:
 2008/9/23 Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Is there anybody taking care of the murrine project without you working
  on it?
 
 No. I have coded it alone during these years, but as I said actually
 no further development is required because the svn version has
 features to make people satisfied for months/years. At least, I would
 add just two things that are missing: theming the arrows and
 redesigning the focus. But not much more.
 There are two projects related with murrine: murrine-themes and
 gtkconf/murrine-configurator, both on launchpad and developed by other
 guys (not by me).
 

Anyway, you gave a lot to the look of ubuntu and gnome, these new themes
wouldnt exist without your engine, which let us make as sophisticated
designs as the ones created by well payed professionals like apples for
example. Thank you for everything!


 
  On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 16:33 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote:
  Hi guys, and thanks for your ideas and emails.
  I'm forced to unsubscribe from this list, I will not have time to
  follow emails and participate into discussions in the future years.
  I can't work on Murrine as before, but don't worry, the development
  version is great and its features will guarantee a fantastic
  customizability to the users that will learn how to tweak its options.
  The development was done with the future in mind, and it needs just
  new themes which use its great potential.
 
  Even though, if you find out bugs or enhancements please read those
  two links and use the bugzilla:
  http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/23/mockups-for-murrine/
  http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/22/please-use-the-bugzilla-for-bugreport-or-feature-requests/
 
  Cheers and have great fun ;)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help

2008-09-19 Thread Adam

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 11:21 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote: 
 Re: borderless borders:
 They're staying at 1px for the reasons everyone's already pointed out. :) If
 you want to change them, just edit metacity-theme-1.xml and look at line 19.
 
 Btw, I'm working on a Dust Firefox theme. Any thoughts?
 http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8383/dust0919firefoxzo8.png

Is it possible to make that background at the firefox tabs transparent?
If not what about something like the safar solution:
http://rakaz.nl/media/1/safari-tabs.jpg ?

the point is that all the tabs in the background make one line, so it
doesnt make that weird look when there is a background color ( which
cannot be transparent) which differs from the webpages background. So it
looks like its just left in half or whatever. I hope you know what I
mean.

here is a mockup: http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/firefoxtabs.png
its not a detailed one, just the idea.

Adam





 
 Nicholas Kraak wrote:
  
  Looks almost better than the original mockup!
  Although the scroll bars are a bit blocky or squared or maybe big, but
  don't fit (for me) the overall appearance of the theme.
  Another point is the borderless version of the theme included in the
  tar.gz . The border is 1 px wide while the older version of Dust has no
  border at all( real borderless)
  Pic: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/177221/Pantallazo-1.png
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  IMO, no-pixel boarders are horrible because they are such a pain to resize
  and almost kill the usability of the theme. One pixel boarders (at least)
  are great.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help

2008-09-18 Thread Adam
i totally agree with your idea, that area should be transparent, it
looks weird when it meets a different colored webpage.

Adam


On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 20:13 +0100, José Luis wrote:
 Thanks for the advice! I'm now happy with my new dusty borderless theme.
 
 About the new Firefox theme: the complimentary It looks like Chrome 
 comentary and:
 It's great, well integrated with the Dust theme. I really love the gradient.
 Now the things to improve: The space under and between the tabs is grey. It 
 would be cooler
  if it were alpha(transparent), but I don't know if that can be done with the 
 FF theme engine.
 
 
 
 
 Re: borderless borders:
 They're staying at 1px for the reasons everyone's already pointed 
 out. :) If
 you want to change them, just edit metacity-theme-1.xml and look at 
 line 19.
 
 Btw, I'm working on a Dust Firefox theme. Any thoughts?
 http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8383/dust0919firefoxzo8.png
 
 
 Nicholas Kraak wrote:
  
  Looks almost better than the original mockup!
  Although the scroll bars are a bit blocky or squared or maybe 
 big, but
  don't fit (for me) the overall appearance of the theme.
  Another point is the borderless version of the theme included in 
 the
  tar.gz . The border is 1 px wide while the older version of Dust 
 has no
  border at all( real borderless)
  Pic: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/177221/Pantallazo-1.png
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  IMO, no-pixel boarders are horrible because they are such a pain to 
 resize
  and almost kill the usability of the theme. One pixel boarders (at 
 least)
  are great.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help

2008-09-17 Thread Adam Gusztav Nagy
hi,

i checked out the latest release. i saw the toolbars have the gradients
again. Do you insist to them? IMO the flat bars definitly look better
and more professional.

and talking about the colors i changed the selected bg color to #FFBD61
and the bg_color to #CCC8C1, maybe you would like to consider them.
the selected color makes it more ubuntuish i think, and the background
color is darker, better for the eyes, and doesnt make a big contrast
with the toolbars wich makes it easier for the eyes. Please consider
them!

http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/dustcolors.png

Keep in mind if you change the selected color to mine, than you will get
big highlights on the metacity headers since it is a much lighter color.

On the picture I also changed the padding (2-2) and the roundness (2) of
the selected menu items.

Adam



On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 19:32 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
 Hi guys. First of all, I apologize for asking these here but I'm new to the
 community and I'm not sure on what the venue is for these sort of questions.
 
 I'm getting an error I can't explain:
 /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: Invalid symbolic color 'fg_color'
 /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: error: invalid identifier
 `fg_color', expected valid identifier
 
 They show up when my colors in the appearance dialog are set to default.
 However, when I change one a bit (say from #FF to #FE) just so it's
 not default, everything works fine. This is running Murrine, and the theme
 in question is in http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/Dust-20080917.tar.gz if
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help

2008-09-17 Thread Adam Gusztav Nagy
i really like the new soft gradient toolbars! i hope they will work with
more than one toolbar as well. Nice work, post the new pack soon!

Adam


On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 05:32 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
 That was a development version. I think these will be the final toolbar
 gradients for a long time:
 http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/610/dust0917scrollbarsgradikz5.png
 [Nevermind the selected color -- I'm just trying out alternate colors to see
 if they work with the theme's new changes ;)]
 
 Let me try to dispute all the gradient discussions once and for all.
  - Yes, there will be gradients. They won't be flat.
  - The look that Dust is trying to achieve is (1) modern, (2) clean, (3)
 sleek/slender, (4) neutral. The old Dust gradients (the round ones) achieve
 the 1st, but fails a little on 2nd, but is horrible at the 3rd. I think
 flats will only achieve (2). Even the original mockup will not look very
 sleek, IMHO, on certain setups (it looks nice with the small toolbar shown,
 but what about 2 fat toolbars?). The gradients shown in the latest
 screenshot above, I think, finally achieves all of those points. I think it
 looks fine even on a fat default nautilus setup (which the old Dust terribly
 fails at).
 
 Regarding colors:
 It'll be very hard to change them. I am considering toning down the BG color
 to be a bit darker, but I'm still deliberating on this.
  - I don't think it should get any darker than #D0D0D0 -- this is as
 off-white as things can get without being light gray.
  - The highlight color should ideally be not-so-saturated to keep the sleek,
 subdued look.
  - I'd avoid a yellowish color for a highlight, too. I'd keep the default
 selected color as something more universally-likeable: that'd be something
 like blue, steel blue, or tan, or beige.
 
 I'm sorry if some of the directions the theme is headed is not to everyone's
 tastes. I hope you can imagine that having a big audience is quite hard. I'm
 trying hard to stick with the vision of Dust (not necessarily the mockup),
 and admittedly there's some bad judgement calls in there but I'm trying hard
 to keep things in line.
 
 An update will be out soon with these changes. For those still interested,
 keep posted. And thank you everyone for all the feedback and the comments,
 they really help! (Again it's a little hard to please everyone, but hey
 that's why some of the colors are adjustable ya'know.)
 
 
 Cheers!
 Rico
 
 
 Adam Gusztav Nagy wrote:
  
  hi,
  
  i checked out the latest release. i saw the toolbars have the gradients
  again. Do you insist to them? IMO the flat bars definitly look better
  and more professional.
  
  and talking about the colors i changed the selected bg color to #FFBD61
  and the bg_color to #CCC8C1, maybe you would like to consider them.
  the selected color makes it more ubuntuish i think, and the background
  color is darker, better for the eyes, and doesnt make a big contrast
  with the toolbars wich makes it easier for the eyes. Please consider
  them!
  
  http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/dustcolors.png
  
  Keep in mind if you change the selected color to mine, than you will get
  big highlights on the metacity headers since it is a much lighter color.
  
  On the picture I also changed the padding (2-2) and the roundness (2) of
  the selected menu items.
  
  Adam
  
  
  
  On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 19:32 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote:
  Hi guys. First of all, I apologize for asking these here but I'm new to
  the
  community and I'm not sure on what the venue is for these sort of
  questions.
  
  I'm getting an error I can't explain:
  /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: Invalid symbolic color
  'fg_color'
  /home/rsc/.themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:43: error: invalid identifier
  `fg_color', expected valid identifier
  
  They show up when my colors in the appearance dialog are set to default.
  However, when I change one a bit (say from #FF to #FE) just so
  it's
  not default, everything works fine. This is running Murrine, and the
  theme
  in question is in http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/Dust-20080917.tar.gz if
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Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 39, Issue 20

2008-09-06 Thread Adam Gusztav Nagy
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 On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 03:10 +0200, Adam Gusztav Nagy wrote:
  hi everybody!
  
  i have a concept, and some ideas i would like to share, i hope this is
  the appropriate place to this.
  i also made a theme based on my ideas which is kind of buggy, but the
  concept can be seen.
  
  i could make the perfect metacity port of my original emerald theme, so
  i suggest you to check out the emerald first so you know how should the
  metacity look like.
  
  my main ideas are the following:
  - I think the menus should have a different color than the base color
  - the panels need some gradient and transparency i dont say mines are
  the best, but the simple solid color panels are so out of date
  - and finally i think the buttons and the other widgets should have real
  smooth animation like glowing or fading when the mouse is over them, not
  just changing the color suddenly without any transition.
  
  maybe the gradient on the top could be orangeish itself to give it some
  uniqueness. 
  
  i attach an archive with all the screenshots and theme files.
  
  thanks for your oppinion!
  
  Adam
 
 Not bad at all... You have a couple ideas that I am not sure if its ok
 to implement, like the different colored gnome-panels. Dark menus don't
 quite match I believe...
 It's a very good theme imho and u should continue its development!
 
 With the different color panels i just wanted to test the colors, of
course they wouldnt be different in a theme.
The different color menus make it less boring without them, it looks
like everything is the same color.
What is the problem with them exactly?

and i need some aid with metacity, i am having some troubles with fixing
the bugs and polishing it.

i attach the screenshot with both white panels so it doesnt confuse
anybody: http://m.blog.hu/os/osline/image/metacitywp.png

Thanks for your opinion! 

Adam


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Re: [ubuntu-art] cancel / apply icons

2006-10-10 Thread Adam Shaw
Ubuntu is glossy and modern and so the BEFORE icons suit the Human theme
of Ubuntu far better than the AFTER icons. Please put them back in. :D

- Adam


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