Re: [ubuntu-art] community themes
An advanced Human theme which features the new murrine options. 2009/3/21 Kenneth Wimer : > Hi all, > > As several have noticed, it is time to update the community themes package. > Naturally Dust and New Wave need to be replaced as they are now in the default > installation. > > So the question is: what do you think should be included in the community > themes package? > > -- > Ken > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Murrine 0.90.0 is out!
Wahaaa themers! :) That's for you: http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2009/03/16/murrine-0900-is-out/ Cheers -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust Sand Murrine
2009/1/27 Sulley Mansford : > Please let me know what you think of this re-write of the Dust Sand theme > completely based on the murrine engine from svn (rev 136) with the exception > of the toolbars and stausbar which utilize the pixmap engine. The re-write > is based on the common-gtkrc base template provided by Cimi and lucazade. > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > Hi dude, I just can't understand why you chose those scrollbars... at least try to implement them in the murrine engine, I guess that both bg[NORMAL] or scrollbar_color = shade (0.8, @bg_color) or similar could help. Anyway, as said on the other email too, GtkScale::trough-side-details = 1 Good luck! -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Nine
2009/1/27 Alex Armstrong : > Hi folks, > > I've been working on a GTK+ theme for a few months now. I just posted it > on the wiki and I'd like to let you know. (So you can tell me what you > think.) > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Nine > > Sorry about the terrible wiki page. It took me the better part of an > hour just to get the thing up. > > Regards, > Alex > > P.S. Although I've been lurking on the list for some time now I don't > think I've ever posted. I am more active on gnome-look.org where I go by > the username paraboy. > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > GtkScale::trough-side-details = 1 with latest murrine, in order to get colored GtkScale trough -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Metacity composite
2008/9/27 Danny Piccirillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Are crazy compiz-like effects being worked on or will they be? > Please do not top-post. Anyway, the current compositing inside metacity is using Xrender, which is compatible with almost any hardware and supports software rendering (so it permits shadows on any hardware), though is not comparable with openGL for rich effects. With the Xrender implementation compiz-like effects will NOT be implemented. Even though Iain (the guy who added compositing inside metacity), did a very good modular job, meaning that in the future someone could write a new backend using openGL and not Xrender, allowing compiz-like effects. For example, some guys at ohand, already wrote an experimental backend using clutter, metacity-clutter. Cheers > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Danny Piccirillo wrote: >> > Sorry if this is slightly off topic but I read a while ago that >> > Metacity was adding composite features like transparency, etc. When >> > will this be available? Does this mean that at some point we may be >> > able to get all the features of compiz with metacity and be able to >> > ditch compiz fusion? This would open up a lot more possibilities for >> > themes, wouldn't it? >> >> Please do not top-post. >> >> Its actually available in Hardy but doesn't have crazy Compiz effects. >> >> In gconf: '/apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager' Click the box. >> >> -Cory K. >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Murrine documentation.
2008/9/23 Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: >> I know it's my fault, but I can't do both coding and >> documentation... >> > > Well who best to document than the one who makes the code? > > Nobody works closely with you on the code so nobody knows it as well. I > would wrap up the loose ends before I went away. Just me. > > Otherwise, this will just be another in a long line of badly documented > free software projects. > > -Cory K. > I've decided to start murrine-themes on launchpad (well, not me but a good themer) for this reason: giving few example themes to show the capabilities of the engine, where themers could start working by using their gtkrc(s) as a base. When the other project "gtkconf/murrine configurator" will be ready (but you should ask the developers on launchpad and not me), editing murrine themes will be a lot easier. As I've said, documentation and some improvements for murrine will follow, but at first I would try to get some money to buy a cheap laptop. I'm a student, and I do not have the means on my own to buy a new one. Partially from donations and some small jobs I hope to accomplish this task before gnome 3.0 :) At last, the murrine code is quite modular so there's no reason you, community, should stop working on new mockups/widgets styles that I may add in the future (when I'll have an eeepc, before gnome 3.0 i hope :D). Cheers cory! Cimi -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Cimi is next to remove his subscription
2008/9/23 SzerencseFia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Andrea Cimitan wrote:
>> 2008/9/23 SzerencseFia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Andrea Cimitan wrote:
>>>> Hi guys, and thanks for your ideas and emails.
>>>> I'm forced to unsubscribe from this list, I will not have time to
>>>> follow emails and participate into discussions in the future years.
>>>> I can't work on Murrine as before, but don't worry, the development
>>>> version is great and its features will guarantee a fantastic
>>>> customizability to the users that will learn how to tweak its options.
>>>> The development was done with the future in mind, and it needs just
>>>> new themes which use its great potential.
>>>>
>>>> Even though, if you find out bugs or enhancements please read those
>>>> two links and use the bugzilla:
>>>> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/23/mockups-for-murrine/
>>>> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/22/please-use-the-bugzilla-for-bugreport-or-feature-requests/
>>>>
>>>> Cheers and have great fun ;)
>>>> Cimi,
>>>> Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com
>>>>
>>> I am sorry to hear that Cimi, have great luck on your way.
>>> Is there a blog or website showing those features in a listed form or such?
>>>
>>
>> Actually there's nothing. Just the code.
>> I'm keeping the donation link working on both my website and
>> Murrine's. Maybe one day I'll reach a sufficient amount of money to
>> buy some kind of cheap laptop (like an eeepc) to spend few minutes
>> when I'm not at home. Unfortunately, I don't have one, just my old PC
>> at home, and I won't be at home the next months during the day... and
>> I really don't think I will code or write long documents in the
>> evenings :)
>>
> Thanks for the answer. I shall be more precise. I know these lines from gtkrc
> code:
> engine "murrine"
>{
>animation = TRUE # FALSE = disabled, TRUE = enabled
>colorize_scrollbar = FALSE # FALSE = disabled, TRUE = enabled
>contrast= 1.0 # 0.8 for less contrast, more than 1.0 for
> more contrast on borders
>glazestyle = 3 # 0 = flat highlight, 1 = curved
> highlight, 2 = concave style, 3
> = top curved highlight, 4 = beryl highlight
>gradient_shades = {1.09,1.06,1.04,1.01} # default:
> {1.1,1.0,1.0,1.1}
>gradients = TRUE # FALSE = disabled, TRUE = enabled
>highlight_ratio = 1.07 # set highlight amount for buttons or
> widgets
>lightborder_ratio = 1.5 # sets lightborder amount for buttons or
> widgets
>lightborderstyle= 0 # 0 = lightborder on top side, 1 =
> lightborder on all sides
>listviewheaderstyle = 1 # 0 = flat, 1 = glassy, 2 = raised
>listviewstyle = 1 # 0 = nothing, 1 = dotted
>menubaritemstyle= 1 # 0 = menuitem look, 1 = button look
>menubarstyle= 2 # 0 = flat, 1 = glassy, 2 = gradient, 3 =
> striped
>menuitemstyle = 1 # 0 = flat, 1 = glassy, 2 = striped
>menustyle = 0 # 0 = no vertical menu stripe, 1 = display
> vertical menu stripe
>reliefstyle = 2 # 0 = flat, 1 = inset, 2 = shadow
>rgba= TRUE # FALSE = disabled, TRUE = enabled
>roundness = 2 # 0 = squared, 1 = old default, more will
> increase roundness
>scrollbarstyle = 2 # 0 = nothing, 1 = circles, 2 = handles, 3
> = diagonal stripes, 4
> = diagonal stripes and handles, 5 = horizontal stripes, 6 = horizontal
> stripes and handles
>sliderstyle = 1 # 0 = nothing added, 1 = handles
>stepperstyle= 0 # 0 = standard, 1 = integrated stepper
> handles, 2 = unknown
>style = MURRINE # engine style options: CANDIDO,
> CLEARLOOKS, MIST, MURRINE, NODOKA
>toolbarstyle= 0 # 0 = flat, 1 = glassy, 2 = gradient
>}
> Is there any more I should know of for the murrine-svn?
>
Those lines plus contrast and profile. But the thing is not the list,
it's their usage and explanation... these are just names without
documentation. I know it's my fault, but I can't do both coding and
documentation...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Cimi is next to remove his subscription
2008/9/23 SzerencseFia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: >> Hi guys, and thanks for your ideas and emails. >> I'm forced to unsubscribe from this list, I will not have time to >> follow emails and participate into discussions in the future years. >> I can't work on Murrine as before, but don't worry, the development >> version is great and its features will guarantee a fantastic >> customizability to the users that will learn how to tweak its options. >> The development was done with the future in mind, and it needs just >> new themes which use its great potential. >> >> Even though, if you find out bugs or enhancements please read those >> two links and use the bugzilla: >> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/23/mockups-for-murrine/ >> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/22/please-use-the-bugzilla-for-bugreport-or-feature-requests/ >> >> Cheers and have great fun ;) >> Cimi, >> Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com >> > > I am sorry to hear that Cimi, have great luck on your way. > Is there a blog or website showing those features in a listed form or such? > Actually there's nothing. Just the code. I'm keeping the donation link working on both my website and Murrine's. Maybe one day I'll reach a sufficient amount of money to buy some kind of cheap laptop (like an eeepc) to spend few minutes when I'm not at home. Unfortunately, I don't have one, just my old PC at home, and I won't be at home the next months during the day... and I really don't think I will code or write long documents in the evenings :) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Cimi is next to remove his subscription
2008/9/23 Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is there anybody taking care of the murrine project without you working > on it? No. I have coded it alone during these years, but as I said actually no further development is required because the svn version has features to make people satisfied for months/years. At least, I would add just two things that are missing: theming the arrows and redesigning the focus. But not much more. There are two projects related with murrine: murrine-themes and gtkconf/murrine-configurator, both on launchpad and developed by other guys (not by me). > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 16:33 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote: >> Hi guys, and thanks for your ideas and emails. >> I'm forced to unsubscribe from this list, I will not have time to >> follow emails and participate into discussions in the future years. >> I can't work on Murrine as before, but don't worry, the development >> version is great and its features will guarantee a fantastic >> customizability to the users that will learn how to tweak its options. >> The development was done with the future in mind, and it needs just >> new themes which use its great potential. >> >> Even though, if you find out bugs or enhancements please read those >> two links and use the bugzilla: >> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/23/mockups-for-murrine/ >> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/22/please-use-the-bugzilla-for-bugreport-or-feature-requests/ >> >> Cheers and have great fun ;) >> Cimi, >> Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Cimi is next to remove his subscription
Hi guys, and thanks for your ideas and emails. I'm forced to unsubscribe from this list, I will not have time to follow emails and participate into discussions in the future years. I can't work on Murrine as before, but don't worry, the development version is great and its features will guarantee a fantastic customizability to the users that will learn how to tweak its options. The development was done with the future in mind, and it needs just new themes which use its great potential. Even though, if you find out bugs or enhancements please read those two links and use the bugzilla: http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/23/mockups-for-murrine/ http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/22/please-use-the-bugzilla-for-bugreport-or-feature-requests/ Cheers and have great fun ;) Cimi, Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What is the art team?
2008/9/11 Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thorsten Wilms wrote: >> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 11:28 -0400, Cory K. wrote: >> >> I would not rule out creating art for default, it's just not our >> decision and chances are not great. > > No. I think it *must* be ruled out. One *cannot* join this team and > create with that being their motivation. It has been completely > detrimental up 'till now. > > Since the decision is out of our hands, we just don't think about it. > Let others worry about default and get involved where they want. > > When interest is show in a community work being default, fine. We can go > from there. > > What we have to eliminate is the preconception that this team creates > default art. It's poison. > > -Cory K. > > TOTALLY agree. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Updates
2008/9/10 Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Andrea Cimitan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> 2008/9/10 Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > The usual updates have been made to the Kin Dust themeset; Including a >> > Metacity theme (pretty much a Dust recolour at this point). >> > >> > I've also changed the name of the theme to Didymous, people are >> > confusing >> > too many themes so it's necessary. >> > >> > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust#Downloads >> > >> > -Ken Vermette >> > >> > -- >> > ubuntu-art mailing list >> > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > >> > >> >> You can du much better if you start customizing murrine's gradients >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > I'm having trouble getting Configurator to work, even to make a generic and > re-tool it. For some reason, no themes will show up when I run it... > > -- You should edit themes by hand, the configurator does not support the newer Murrine SVN snapshots. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Updates
2008/9/10 Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The usual updates have been made to the Kin Dust themeset; Including a > Metacity theme (pretty much a Dust recolour at this point). > > I've also changed the name of the theme to Didymous, people are confusing > too many themes so it's necessary. > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust#Downloads > > -Ken Vermette > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > You can du much better if you start customizing murrine's gradients -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
2008/9/8 Rico Sta. Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Also, some honest feedback on new min/max/close buttons will be appreciated. > http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/dust-mmc.jpg > > finally something less vista-ish. good work -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
2008/9/8 Conn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Andrea Cimitan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> So update the snapshot, there are also bugfixes to avoid crashes on >> few applications (that use a NULL widget parameter) > > Unfortunately, Intrepid has reached Feature Freeze, so an exception > would need to be made. Andrea, perhaps if someone opens a bug to do a > FFe on a newer snapshot, you could give it an ACK in the bug report to > testify that the snapshot would be stable. Otherwise it's not going to > get accepted. > Oh, unfortunately I don't have time to move around those things... In any case, the new features can be seen in the changelog: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk/ChangeLog If someone needs when opening the bugreport -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
2008/9/8 Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Monday 08 September 2008 11:11:56 Kido Mariano wrote: >> On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 21:50 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote: >> > You should rewrite that theme with the latest murrine svn release, not >> > that old 29 May of kwwii's repository. >> > Much of the contrast function was rewritten, making your themes >> > incompatible (if you use the contrast functionality) >> >> Theme works for me with the latest svn checkout (Sept 7). We are using >> contrast functionality in the theme, though. What exactly is the new >> syntax for it, anyway? > > Anything which is going to be released in Intrepid needs to work well with the > snapshot we have in now, not the newest snapshot. > So update the snapshot, there are also bugfixes to avoid crashes on few applications (that use a NULL widget parameter) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
2008/9/8 Kido Mariano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 21:50 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote: > >> You should rewrite that theme with the latest murrine svn release, not >> that old 29 May of kwwii's repository. >> Much of the contrast function was rewritten, making your themes >> incompatible (if you use the contrast functionality) >> > > Theme works for me with the latest svn checkout (Sept 7). We are using > contrast functionality in the theme, though. What exactly is the new > syntax for it, anyway? > > Kido > > the syntax is the same, the algorithm is different. You'll get a different theme using previous releases, and sometimes the differences could be really visible -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
2008/9/7 Rico Sta. Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hey guys. Sorry to resurrect an almost-dying thread, but the Dust theme just > got a few updates which might be interesting a few people. If anyone's been > disappointed about it before, maybe now's a good time to give it another > chance. Will really appreciate some constructive feedback. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme > http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/dust-september-7.png > > You should rewrite that theme with the latest murrine svn release, not that old 29 May of kwwii's repository. Much of the contrast function was rewritten, making your themes incompatible (if you use the contrast functionality) > Ken Vermette wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Rico Sta. Cruz >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> >>> Is there any way we can get some GTK love on this theme? I'm currently >>> lost >>> at figuring out how to make the menubar have a gradient. >>> >>> The latest versions are always at: >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme >>> >>> >>> -Rico S. >>> >>> >>> Kido Mariano wrote: >>> > >>> > I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as >>> > base. Try it out: >>> > >>> > http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz >>> > (requires Aurora engine installed) >>> > >>> > It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most >>> > notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to >>> > help? >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > ubuntu-art mailing list >>> > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://www.nabble.com/Dust-theme-implementation-tp19116621p19256483.html >>> Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-art mailing list >>> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >>> >> >> I also read about your firefox issue. I found a fix in the SlickneSS theme >> involving "userchrome.css"; It should be in the Kin Dust theme, just >> replace >> the text colour in the file (bottom of file) with whatever colour you >> want. >> >> For the menubar, if you use a pixmap, you can just use an image with any >> gradient you want. I reccoment SVG for excellent scaling. >> >> I can get more detailed on these, but I really just reccomend downloading >> a >> could other themes with the sttributes you need, and then borrowing code. >> Kin Didymous has very similar features (It was inspired by Dust) so it has >> almost everythig you're already looking for. Mind you, it's kind of >> sloppily >> coded right now... >> >> (GTK / Userchrome.css, I think) >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Human-Didymous.tar.gz >> >> -- >> -Ken Vermette >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Dust-theme-implementation-tp19116621p19358373.html > Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Murrine svn
2008/8/26 Isaiah Heyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > How do I get it?Do I need to install svn? > > But will murrine-svn be stable by october?What does it > have the the current murrine engine does not have? > If we can call murrine "stable" 1.0, then murrine "svn" could be 2.0. It is a total rewrite that provides more stability and more features. I won't make a release for october, but it is really stable, more than the "stable" version. I guess a svn package will be added -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] current status of intrepid theme (Dust?)
2008/8/25 Hajo E. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello designers, developers and mailing list readers, > Looks like the mail did not get through the last time a few days ago, so > here it is again (I'm sorry if you got this mail more than one time): > After consulting Google, http://wiki.ubuntu.com, #ubuntu-artwork and > launchpad i couldn't find information on what exactly the three different > deadlines in the Release schedule of Intrepid Ibex [1] mean. > I'm just curious if there is a chance at all that a theme like Dust [2] can > still make it into Ubuntu 8.10 or if it is too late and we will end up > having almost the same design we have seen in 8.04 and no innovations. > Regarding the Dust theme: > Dust (as seen in the wiki) has some advantages over the other popular themes > which compete against each other being the new default theme: > * It looks mature > * the font and font size used in the pictures in [2] creates a very > different appearance (i would vote for a 1pt smaller font size in intrepid > compared to the size that is used in the last ubuntu versions) > * a bit of transparency like it is used in the GNOME panel makes it look a > grain more elegant > * ... rest of the arguments can be read in the comments of the wiki page > Another question i am interested in is why there are no paid designers who > could be able to create a good theme. > Thanks for reading. > Regards, > Hajo E. > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule > [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme > -- No Dust won't be part of ubuntu, these are themes from the community to the community, and are not planned for any kind of inclusion. Cheers -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
2008/8/24 Kido Mariano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 14:42 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote: >> 2008/8/24 Kido Mariano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 12:55 +0200, Yann Dìnendal wrote: >> >> I've updated the theme (again). This time, the >> >> metacity's (mostly) >> >> complete, and I've added a few tweaks to keep text >> >> from being white on >> >> white or black on black. >> >> >> >> Download it at: >> >> http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz >> >> (Aurora engine required) >> >> Screenshot: >> >> http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/dust-0.png >> >> It looks nice! But why is the background behind the "Normal", "DéjaVu >> >> Sans" and "10" darker than the other menus? Is it intended? >> >> >> >> Yann Dìnendal >> > >> > No, it isn't. I'm not entirely sure how to fix that, though. The trouble >> > here is that I'm using a pixmap for the toolbar, and ...something's not >> > doing what it's supposed to do. >> >> >> > >> Why are you using a pixmap? > > It's the only way I can think of to make the toolbar look like that. ._. > How else would I put a gradient like that on the toolbar? (I'm guessing > this is possible with Murrine, but not sure.) > > Oh, and I've changed the button contrast and listview headers on the > Dust murrine theme. :D Yes, with murrine you can change the gradient of the toolbar -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
2008/8/24 Kido Mariano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 12:55 +0200, Yann Dìnendal wrote: >> I've updated the theme (again). This time, the >> metacity's (mostly) >> complete, and I've added a few tweaks to keep text >> from being white on >> white or black on black. >> >> Download it at: >> http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz >> (Aurora engine required) >> Screenshot: >> http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/dust-0.png >> It looks nice! But why is the background behind the "Normal", "DéjaVu >> Sans" and "10" darker than the other menus? Is it intended? >> >> Yann Dìnendal > > No, it isn't. I'm not entirely sure how to fix that, though. The trouble > here is that I'm using a pixmap for the toolbar, and ...something's not > doing what it's supposed to do. >> > Why are you using a pixmap? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
2008/8/24 Dylan McCall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Here is a relevant discussion on Launchpad regarding packaging Aurora. >>> It appears we have a package, but need to give the magical review >>> process a nudge ;) >>> >>> Bye, >>> -Dylan >>> >> >> Where would this discussion be? :) > I'm ok with packaging Aurora because it looks really good, though I don't think that we should ship a theme because this engine is unfortunately extremely slow (slower than pixmap-based themes), it has few bugs with some applications (because of the workarounds it is using) and is wasting a lot of space using high x/ythickness values almost everywhere to get the big shadows around the widgets (imagine the theme on a small screen like an eeepc). -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
2008/8/24 Kido Mariano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've updated the theme (again). This time, the metacity's (mostly) > complete, and I've added a few tweaks to keep text from being white on > white or black on black. > > Download it at: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz > (Aurora engine required) > Screenshot: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/dust-0.png > If it's good enough, do we add this to the wiki page? :) > > Also, I tried using murrine SVN to make the same theme, and came up with > this: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-1.tar.gz > The aurora theme looks a bit better, so you need to tweak a bit more the murrine version. First of all increase the contrast of the buttons, then use a different gradient on listviewheaders (in aurora they are glossy). > On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 07:52 -0700, Dylan McCall wrote: > >> >> Here is a relevant discussion on Launchpad regarding packaging Aurora. >> It appears we have a package, but need to give the magical review >> process a nudge ;) >> >> Bye, >> -Dylan >> > > Where would this discussion be? :) > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Mockups for Murrine
If you have ideas, suggestions, if you are dreaming a totally new style, please read this link and send a mockup: http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/23/mockups-for-murrine/ I could add something for the next ubuntu releases -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme engines
2008/8/11 George Kendros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > @ Andrea > > If I (or someone else) where to follow your suggestion and show desired > engine functionality on a widget factory mock-up, where would be a good > place to post that? > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > Personally, I'm not in love with mailing lists for those things. For a main reason: you have to fetch a lot of emails and click in every url. Maybe opening an ordered thread for each mockup on a forum (discussion bb) like gnomesupport.org on art development section (yeah it seems abandoned, if you have other forums...), showing a little description and the widget factory's mockup/screenshot. -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme engines
2008/8/11 George Kendros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > @ Andrea > > If I (or someone else) where to follow your suggestion and show desired > engine functionality on a widget factory mock-up, where would be a good > place to post that? > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > Personally, I'm not in love with mailing lists for those things. For a main reason: you have to fetch a lot of emails and click in every url. Maybe opening a thread for each mockup on a forum (discussion bb) like gnomesupport.org (http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=21 yeah it seems abandoned, if you have better names) with a screenshot and a link to full image. -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme engines
2008/8/11 Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:29 PM, George Kendros > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm new to this list, but I was just wondering what consideration was being >> given to different theme engines and if any development is being put into a >> specific theme engine? >> >> I was just wondering because I was looking at the official page of the >> Nodoka engine and was pretty impressed with the direction it was taking. >> Here is a link to the page; >> https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/0.8.x_Brainstorm . Of specific interest >> is the 'Modern' screenshot. I think a theme based on that engine (when that >> engine comes to fruition) could be really great. > > Complete, new, well maintained theme engines that are packaged for > Ubuntu are not common. The problem with making a theme that relies on > a newer engine is likely to be finding a maintainer for the code and > someone to keep the new engine in Universe and up-to-date. For this > reason there are people on this list that would encourage you to > either: > > - Be the maintainer of the theme in Ubuntu if you want to use it - > this involves managing bugreports, etc > - Use a theme for which there is already a maintainer > - ask the designers of the new engine if they want to maintain it in > Ubuntu (obviously, to them the news that someone wants to make a great > theme based on it that would also be packaged in Universe or even Main > could be a big incentive here...) > > In the case of Nodoka I don't know whether there is already someone > pushing this into Ubuntu - sorry. > > There are people on this list that know more about this than I do, but > I understand that (at least when Nodoka was first released) it was > largely based on Murrine (which _will_ be packaged for Int. Ib. ) and > that you could achieve the same look with both. This looks like it > might no longer be true... I dunno... Andrea Cimitan, who develops > Murrine might be able to answer to this part. > > Does that help? > > Who > Yeah the first releases of "nodoka" (till 0.6.x) were more like a text replacement of "murrine" with "nodoka" and some fixed options (in fact its look is very close to some custom murrine themes which uses those options), the 0.8.x branch, from what I've seen, have some code also from clearlooks, that permits more flexibility in the style (that means having custom styles by just adding a drawing style.c file without forking the engine). I've added that code in murrine in december 2007, in fact the RGBA drawing code is separated into a new file. A similar look also to the MODERN (nodoka's) could be available using the development release of murrine and customizing the gradients in the gtkrc without having to hack on the engine code. The difference you'll get is in the edges of the widgets: in those nodoka's mockups they use a gradient (it is very easy to implement, maybe 20 lines of code). Unfortunately, even if they looks good on that screenshot, they seems from my tests (since in the past I've hacked also with similar looks) to have problems with complex applications (like firefox etc etc) which uses a lot of buttons, widgets etc etc and those gradients felt a bit out of place. It is an opinion of course. Another difference is in the shadows (frame shadow in, out, etched), which uses brighter and darker colors: this is an hack, because gtk+ does not give the ability to change bg[NORMAL] for those widgets, so they should have the same color of the rest of the window. Another little consideration, seeing both murrine and clearlooks ability to easily add styles, instead working on hacking and forking engines is much better to open gimp/inkscape and work on mockups of the "widget factory", showing the desidered look. Implementing that look in a engine will be really easy for a gtk+ engine hacker / cairo "guru" :) -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/14 Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ... Getting back on topic... > > I've read a few complaints about the exact colour of Kith, specifically how > it looks like someone gutted a salmon on their computer. I've put together > Kin, which is somewhere between Kith and Union and even (going back on this > one) Basic Ideals. Link below. Should I build the Emerald theme and give it > a real whirl? > > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin.png > > I'm hesitant to make an emerald theme for a RGBA Murrine theme; Cimi, do you > know if there will be full GTK support for the feature by the time InIx will > be released? > I really don't think so. I can't work on it, and I didn't received any help by someone who would like to patch GTK+ system tray (this is the biggest issue with RGBA colormaps due to an old freedesktop spec thats need to be updated) If someone (Mirco Muller or Neil Patel) would like to patch Ubuntu's GTK+ and add the modern code... but well, I don't think they will. -- Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/13 Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Andrea Cimitan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> > To add to that, the min/max/close buttons are a direct copy of Vista. >>> > Might want to do something with that. >>> >>> Yeah I noticed that too >>> >> >> I'll throw in my dislike of what I thought was "peach" as well...in addition >> to the min/max/button choice. >> >> So if the colors aren't great, and the style is so-so, what is it about Kith >> that people like? (question not aimed at those who like the peach/salmon >> thing, obviously). Is it just about the window borders? >> >> Ashton >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> >> > > Kith indeed is smashing. It has a great combination more importantly > than anything- it is a great theme, but I am not sure if it is > appropriate for a default. > > In other news, I have begun to code Clear. So far so good! Code?? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
> To add to that, the min/max/close buttons are a direct copy of Vista. > Might want to do something with that. Yeah I noticed that too -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/12 Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Alrighty. Maybe if you'd like we can try this the other way around, I've > just uploaded the Kith emerald theme (named "Didymous") onto the tubes, the > colour might be slightly off with the metacity theme, but if you want, give > it a try! > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Didymous.emerald > or the wiki... > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid#head-1929036c38a4d895a1d544c27bef8d017949b58d > I prefer the Union mockup -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/11 Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andrea, could you pass the theme files my way so I could try them with my > theme files? All of this is amazing, and I'd like to start updating Kith > around the Murrine engine and get a really consistent look. This is all just > fantastic. > > -Ken It requires some changes in the engine in order to get the tabs -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/11 Mario Viviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yeah, nice! > > Maybe we can consider your svn engine useful for coding kith... > > > Please stop top-posting. In any case you can't go RGBA/transparency until gtk+ will support it globally -- Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/11 Mario Viviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andrea it can be interesting if you can make a sample of this theme using > your svn transparency engine. > Just to have look, it can be useful! > > Mario > > something like that: http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7402/schermata14bv7.png -- Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/11 Andrea Cimitan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > 2008/7/11 Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Andrea Cimitan >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > 2008/7/11 Mario Viviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> >> >> Actally i's just a trial to see if it's possible to make Kith using >> Aurora >> >> Engine. The first step i took was the colourscheme, and i think it's >> not so >> >> bad like this. >> >> However if i got time next days i can add some change, like the Emerald >> >> theme fixed and some issues with the GTK theme.. >> >> I used different font from Kith mockup becausei think it's interesting >> see >> >> how Droid can mix with new themes and concepts... >> >> >> >> However i can make a branch of the theme wit the mockup fonts, of >> course. >> >> >> >> Mario >> >> >> > >> > Quick try using the Murrine engine (still bugged but doesn't look bad at >> > all): >> > http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6747/schermata11fq2.png >> > >> > Cheers, Cimi >> > -- >> > Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Website: http://www.cimitan.com >> > Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com >> > GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org >> > -- >> > ubuntu-art mailing list >> > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > >> > >> That is SO much better! Amazing! >> > > > I won't work anymore on this... I just liked to show that you can reach a > lor of styles using murrine. > If someone would like to have that dirty hack just ask me > In order to get these tabs you need to add ~ 20 lines to murrine: http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8282/kithtabsks2.png -- Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/11 Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Andrea Cimitan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/7/11 Mario Viviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > >> Actally i's just a trial to see if it's possible to make Kith using > Aurora > >> Engine. The first step i took was the colourscheme, and i think it's not > so > >> bad like this. > >> However if i got time next days i can add some change, like the Emerald > >> theme fixed and some issues with the GTK theme.. > >> I used different font from Kith mockup becausei think it's interesting > see > >> how Droid can mix with new themes and concepts... > >> > >> However i can make a branch of the theme wit the mockup fonts, of > course. > >> > >> Mario > >> > > > > Quick try using the Murrine engine (still bugged but doesn't look bad at > > all): > > http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6747/schermata11fq2.png > > > > Cheers, Cimi > > -- > > Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Website: http://www.cimitan.com > > Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com > > GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > > > That is SO much better! Amazing! > I won't work anymore on this... I just liked to show that you can reach a lor of styles using murrine. If someone would like to have that dirty hack just ask me -- Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/11 Mario Viviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Actally i's just a trial to see if it's possible to make Kith using Aurora > Engine. The first step i took was the colourscheme, and i think it's not so > bad like this. > However if i got time next days i can add some change, like the Emerald > theme fixed and some issues with the GTK theme.. > I used different font from Kith mockup becausei think it's interesting see > how Droid can mix with new themes and concepts... > > However i can make a branch of the theme wit the mockup fonts, of course. > > Mario > > Quick try using the Murrine engine (still bugged but doesn't look bad at all): http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6747/schermata11fq2.png Cheers, Cimi -- Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick question for the WIKI regarding the range of what constitutes a "theme"
2008/7/11 Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Friday 11 July 2008 01:09:09 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > ... > > The community here in the mailing list is completely unofficial and in > most > > case its mockups are ignored. > > If they had more bearing on what is actually possible I think that they > would > see much more acceptance by developers who could/would/should implement it. > Long term goals and mockups are one thing, dealing with the current system > and planning for the future while trying to improve the system itself is > the > real goal, I think. > > From an artist perspective it is always a drag to have a good idea and be > told "it'll never happen" but my experience has shown that sometimes that > is > simply how it is. There are some lengths you can go to to change things and > sometimes the best ideas are the ones that nobody has thought of before and > are easily reailzable but more often than not, people think up stuff that > might look awesome on a screenshot and very well might be the "next big > thing" but without a team of developers *and* upstream support it'll never > happen. Let's not forget that this is the art list and not necessarily the > UI > list. I never said "it will never happen", I've just said that when you work on something you must do something that starts from a real/actual work. Otherwise it is just junk, like hundreds of *gnome 3.0* mockups/topaz I've seen on the web in these years. No one will be used to develop gnome 3.0. One thing is *ideas*, one thing is something that is completely redesigning the whole UI toolkit and applications. Also because it's not just *design* but it implies usability: is your idea usable or it is just cool? Designers/themers must know the HIG before drawing their mockups. > > If you ask me, we should work at getting the most out of what is there > first, > which would build trust in the team, which would lead to more people > helping, > etc. There is a way to get this all done, no matter how far fetched it may > seem but the crazier the idea, the more work it is and the longer it will > take. Let's get some things straight first and work in an orderly manner to > really improve things. Yeah, should be great to have more guys to help, but the problem is... who :) Who will have decisional power in the community? > > > > Even though at the same time it is the right place to propose your work, > so > > if you have time and you have something original in your mind -you should > > really- post it here (why not contribute if you have a great idea? why > > don't share it with the developers?). > > > > Also, as said by kenneth, ten thousands of mockups full of transparency > and > > mac-like nautilus are completely useless. > > > > From my point of view, one thing that could be done to have a higher > > quality community contribution is > > 1) don't threat the mailing list as a chat > > 2) use it to ask help, not to ask opinions (hey do you like my > > fancy-new-ultra theme?) > > 3) merge guys, teams, then let's order the work in the wiki, doing real > > stuff and not mockups > > Indeed the mailing list is becoming a problem for those who really work on > specific issues. I'll be announcing some new stuff soon, mainly a -dev list > which will reduce the noise level for those who contribute actively. More > on > this soon. > > -- > Ken > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick question for the WIKI regarding the range of what constitutes a "theme"
2008/7/11 Brian Fleeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >From: Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Honestly, there is one Canonical person who decides what goes in, and > >that is Ken. Mark has the final say so. > >As soon as I get more proposals, We will formulate a unified list, > >create a mockup, and the themes will create the theme. > > > >There really will not be competing concepts.There are things we are > >looking for, and things users want, so it is more effective if we work > >towards one common theme using the guideline/discussion > >mockup/discussion theme creation work flow. > > Sounds good. Will the Art Team community be privy to critiquing the final > theme dev process, or will it be Canonical internal? > > One more question: is Intrepid going to integrate a "main panel" look > instead of the now-traditional three menu system (application, places, and > system)? If so, would ideas for its appearance and layout also be something > up for Art Team design input? > > Just curious, > Brian > > The community here in the mailing list is completely unofficial and in most case its mockups are ignored. Even though at the same time it is the right place to propose your work, so if you have time and you have something original in your mind -you should really- post it here (why not contribute if you have a great idea? why don't share it with the developers?). Also, as said by kenneth, ten thousands of mockups full of transparency and mac-like nautilus are completely useless. >From my point of view, one thing that could be done to have a higher quality community contribution is 1) don't threat the mailing list as a chat 2) use it to ask help, not to ask opinions (hey do you like my fancy-new-ultra theme?) 3) merge guys, teams, then let's order the work in the wiki, doing real stuff and not mockups -- Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
2008/7/10 Mario Viviani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi everybody! > > In these days i just took up Ken Vermette's mockup "Kith Intrepid" and made > a starting version of this theme using the new Aurora Engine. Actually > there's much to do to improve it, but actually i think looks nice. > I made an Emerald Theme using the Union buttons from the Union Emerald > theme, that are the button used in version 1 of the mockup by Ken. > > Actually I included the New Wave icon set, that is a work in progress for > Intrepid, and also used Droid Sans font, that has been under discussion for > long. > > Here's the link to the screenshots: > > http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5992/schermata2op8.png > > http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2888/schermata1sa2.png > > http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9889/schermata3fi1.png > > > > What do you think about? > > Cheers, Mario > > PS: I used old New Wave Iconset in the screenshots, actually I use the > latest version with lighter arrows... If someone has the old version can > host it somewhere? Thanks! > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > I'm a fan of the colorscheme too, seeing it running on the new murrine svn will be definitely great -- Andrea Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hacking / Kludging - WAS Re: gtk theme
Il giorno gio, 06/03/2008 alle 09.17 -0600, Matthew Nuzum ha scritto: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Troy James Sobotka > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> > Patch the code. Kludge it out when we have no other option. Let the > > >> > progression happen. > > > > > > In short, it isn't really perfectionism (well, a bit...), but it's > > > more a matter of maintainability. > > > > It certainly isn't optimal, and I am well aware of the shortcomings. > > The point isn't to kludge / hack _everything_, but do it where it is > > required to achieve an innovation. Animated progressbars might be an > > example here. > > And let me point out two things: > > The open source moto is, "release early, release often." > > Also, there is a programming standard way to do denote this. You put a > comment in your source code near your hack followed by a TODO: and > what you want to change. Many programming editors will highlight this > line specially and some, like eclipse, will even show a todo list > below the source code editor listing each item. > > You also create a file in your source's root directory called TODO and > outline things you consider less than ideal. It's ok to use a hack if > its well documented and understood what you're trying to do. > > // TODO: is there a better way to show animated scroll bars? > // This is a HACK but it works > // (optional extra explanation if your code is particularly clever and hard > // to understand) > I have already tested animated scrollbars, they work, but they are so slw in acrobar reader, firefox etc etc... > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > -- Andrea "Cimi" Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine Author: http://www.cimitan.com/murrine GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hacking / Kludging - WAS Re: gtk theme
Il giorno gio, 06/03/2008 alle 10.01 -0600, xl cheese ha scritto: > All of your are correct! > > 1. It's good to have stable software for end users. Most people > don't like things to crash or spending time debugging problems. We > need this school of thought for official released code. BUT- > > 2. It's also good to have people 'Kludging' up progressive new ideas. > Whether or not their code is great or not they are bringing new things > to the table which can eventually be polished off and absorbed by the > mainstream releases. > > We need both conservative AND forward thinkers. A good example has > already been presented. The Nodoka style is now part of the murrine > engine. Without someone 'hacking' away with Nodoka we would not have > that option now in a stable form. So instead of _laughing_ at them > and singing this to yourself in the shower, > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSdjOEf1W4Y , you should send 'em some > brownies and a thank you card for their innovative ideas. YOu are wrong, Nodoka code was always part of Murrine, since it is just Murrine with a different name and hilight_ratio = 0.909090 hardcoded in the engine > > This is open source code not microsoft. If someone wants to make a > copy, rename it and change it up they should be encouraged to do so > and perhaps given a little guidance... No one's hand is being held to > the fire to install them. > > -wes > > > > > __ > > > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:17:54 -0600 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Hacking / Kludging - WAS Re: gtk theme > > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Troy James Sobotka > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > Patch the code. Kludge it out when we have no other option. > Let the > > > >> > progression happen. > > > > > > > > In short, it isn't really perfectionism (well, a bit...), but > it's > > > > more a matter of maintainability. > > > > > > It certainly isn't optimal, and I am well aware of the > shortcomings. > > > The point isn't to kludge / hack _everything_, but do it where it > is > > > required to achieve an innovation. Animated progressbars might be > an > > > example here. > > > > And let me point out two things: > > > > The open source moto is, "release early, release often." > > > > Also, there is a programming standard way to do denote this. You put > a > > comment in your source code near your hack followed by a TODO: and > > what you want to change. Many programming editors will highlight > this > > line specially and some, like eclipse, will even show a todo list > > below the source code editor listing each item. > > > > You also create a file in your source's root directory called TODO > and > > outline things you consider less than ideal. It's ok to use a hack > if > > its well documented and understood what you're trying to do. > > > > // TODO: is there a better way to show animated scroll bars? > > // This is a HACK but it works > > // (optional extra explanation if your code is particularly clever > and hard > > // to understand) > > > > -- > > Matthew Nuzum > > newz2000 on freenode > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > > __ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, > we give. Learn more. -- Andrea "Cimi" Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine Author: http://www.cimitan.com/murrine GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Il giorno gio, 06/03/2008 alle 15.19 +0100, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen ha scritto: > On 05/03/2008, Andrea Cimitan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 13.52 +0100, Sebastian > Billaudelle ha > scritto: > > > Hi folks! > > > > Because my modem-driver is broken (never play around with > > startup-scripts;-)) I wasn't able to read the mails. > > I'll do it later, because I'm sitting in an internet cafe > and I'm a > > little bit short in time. > > > > I'm sorry for my bad and short post. I'll post more later! > > > > I've looked into the xl_cheese-/clearlooks-engine and > changed some > > points. > > I could go on like this fixing the points written before. > > > > At first, there was the problem that windows without a > toolbar looked > > ugly, because the color of the menubar was not the same as > the windows > > bg-color. > > That's changed now: The menubar is colored like the > background of the > > window and the gradient of the toolbar is changed a little > bit to fit > > to that change... > > > > The first point is the "unity of the menubaritem and the > menu itself". > > I looked into the code of the eXperience-engine and hacked a > little > > bit in clearlooks. > > That should work now to, even if the menu is placed higher > than the > > menubar (Then the menubaritem-widget is turned "upside > down"). > > Compiz/Emerald is still a problem... > > I'm the Clearlooks developer (yes Murrine too :P ), my friend > Benzea is > the Maintainer of Clearlooks, and he is the author of the > eXperience > engine :D > So we will implement (he is the right guy to do this) this > feature the > day we get a sane way to do it, without the hackish way in > eXperience. > Another *huge* problem is that menuitems don't get shadows, so > the whole > menu will always look ugly, except an highly decentered shadow > like in > your sceenshot. > (I'm using centered shadows, with 0 x-y offset, like a lot of > huys... so > this feature without shadow on menuitems will cause just > glitches) > > > > > Here's a little screenshot: > > > http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfoto1su9.png > > Later I'll upload the engine, but I've to clean up the code > before > > (This was my first contact to C;-)). > > NO, please NO yet another engine. I was totally against the > decision of > xlcheese to publish his patch as another engine and I will > against a > similar idea. > Many years ago was created a tool, called DIFF, do publish > your patches > in a clean and simple way. > Just attach your patch for Clearlooks, Murrine or whatever. > In a future, if the patch is sane and we agree (in the meaning > it's not > hackish and it will work with compiz/shadows), that thing > could be part > of Gnome. > It's so useless to publish a fork with more than 95% of the > same code. > Yes, NODOKA (aka murrine with a different name and fixed > hilight_ratio > and other options) is an useless engine. And I will be > laughing when > I'll publish the next release which is faster, better looking, > alpha-capable, with a *100 times better* structured code :) > Just to > notice its capabilities, Murrine's SVN in just 10 lines of > code can > emulate Nodoka engine, with the benefits of a faster but also > more > secure/stable code :) (just add style = NODOKA in your gtkrc) > eheh > > While I agree 1% percent that forking theme engines is a very bad > idea, given that Murrine was only recently put under public version > control you have more or less spurred this trend your self... That > should all change now that Murrine is in Gnome svn. So no excuses for > forking :-) > Murrine was public since September, but I moved a lot of Subversions servers including intilinux.org, launchpad and now (finally) gnome. Murrine-RGBA was in launchpad two days after my post in December and in the last month I moved to gnome's svn since I hate launchpad :). > > Cheers, > Mikkel > > -- Andrea "Cimi" Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine Author: http://www.cimitan.com/murrine GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Il giorno gio, 06/03/2008 alle 21.16 +0800, Kido Mariano ha scritto: > > Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 23.12 -0800, Troy James Sobotka ha > > scritto: > > > Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > > > So we will implement (he is the right guy to do this) this feature the > > > > day we get a sane way to do it, without the hackish way in eXperience. > > > > > > I see it pop up time and time again that Linux or Free Software isn't > > > doing YYY or XXX because it is 'hackish'. We end up wallowing in > > > Windows95 tech on more than a few fronts because of it. Animated icons, > > > animated progress bars, etc. - all progressive ideas that have been > > > quashed by the status quo because we don't have an 'official' way to do > > it. > > > > > > Ubuntu and many other Free Software branches seek to hit mainstream and > > > hit it hard. This means that we _must_ let go of some of the > > > perfectionism and get the things that matter into the eyes of the people > > > who care. > > > > > > Free Software should be a bastion of innovation, not a reclusive attic > > > of stale mothballs. > > > > > > Patch the code. Kludge it out when we have no other option. Let the > > > progression happen. > > > > > > TJS > > > > > OMG. > > LOL at reaction. :D > > (First post here. I'd like to say hi! :D) I don't know if I'm in any > position to say this, but if you do things in a hackish way, you do > advance, but at the expense of having more and more unmaintainable > code. Sure, we'll go forward, but it will take more and more work to > move any further. Put more hacks, and the code starts to become too > much of a mess to even touch. Yes, that's true. Patching code with some hackish stuff means also that if something (on which the hack is based) changes that all the code must be rewritten/adapted. For example, if I use an API that remains the same between all GTK+ 2.x versions then I don't have to change anything in my engine, while GTK can still optimize the code and change the things below the final API. API are like frontends to a basic backends that can be improved. Using hackish stuff result in instability in the moment that something changes, or when you are in front of custom widgets like Firefox, OpenOffice etc etc... > (I don't have a good example here, > though.) Windows. > In short, it isn't really perfectionism (well, a bit...), but it's > more a matter of maintainability. > > ^kd > -- Andrea "Cimi" Cimitan - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine Author: http://www.cimitan.com/murrine GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 23.12 -0800, Troy James Sobotka ha scritto: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > So we will implement (he is the right guy to do this) this feature the > > day we get a sane way to do it, without the hackish way in eXperience. > > I see it pop up time and time again that Linux or Free Software isn't > doing YYY or XXX because it is 'hackish'. We end up wallowing in > Windows95 tech on more than a few fronts because of it. Animated icons, > animated progress bars, etc. - all progressive ideas that have been > quashed by the status quo because we don't have an 'official' way to do it. > > Ubuntu and many other Free Software branches seek to hit mainstream and > hit it hard. This means that we _must_ let go of some of the > perfectionism and get the things that matter into the eyes of the people > who care. > > Free Software should be a bastion of innovation, not a reclusive attic > of stale mothballs. > > Patch the code. Kludge it out when we have no other option. Let the > progression happen. > > TJS > OMG. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Murrine Release?
Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 15.58 -0500, Cory K. ha scritto: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 15.49 -0500, Cory K. ha scritto: > > > >> Is the current code in CVS/SVN/BZR? > >> > > Yeah, Gnome's > > Murrine is now part of GNOME officially? Do you have a link to the code > so I can try it? No, it's just in the gnome svn > > -Cory K > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Murrine Release?
Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 15.49 -0500, Cory K. ha scritto: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 07.34 -0500, Cory K. ha scritto: > > > >> Andrea Cimitan wrote: > >> > >>> Murrine in the svn is much more stable than the 0.53.1 release, was > >>> rewritten from scratch, and support the ability to change gradients and > >>> a lot of things directly in the gtkrc. > >>> > >> So why hasn't there been a release? > >> > >> > > Since it has RGBA support and I don't want to push that feature because > > maybe gtk+ is going to be RGBA-enabled by default, and that means no > > more plugins for Applications. > > > > So you could have a switch to enable or disable it like animations. > Having the default as off. > > > Furthermore I need a valid Theme Editor, an XML schema file, and useful > > howtos... > > > > Since other engines don't have this, I don't see it as needed for a release. I want Murrine to be a complete revolution/release. Which requires from tools to instructions > > Is the current code in CVS/SVN/BZR? Yeah, Gnome's. > > -Cory > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 13.52 +0100, Sebastian Billaudelle ha scritto: > Hi folks! > > Because my modem-driver is broken (never play around with > startup-scripts;-)) I wasn't able to read the mails. > I'll do it later, because I'm sitting in an internet cafe and I'm a > little bit short in time. > > I'm sorry for my bad and short post. I'll post more later! > > I've looked into the xl_cheese-/clearlooks-engine and changed some > points. > I could go on like this fixing the points written before. > > At first, there was the problem that windows without a toolbar looked > ugly, because the color of the menubar was not the same as the windows > bg-color. > That's changed now: The menubar is colored like the background of the > window and the gradient of the toolbar is changed a little bit to fit > to that change... > > The first point is the "unity of the menubaritem and the menu itself". > I looked into the code of the eXperience-engine and hacked a little > bit in clearlooks. > That should work now to, even if the menu is placed higher than the > menubar (Then the menubaritem-widget is turned "upside down"). > Compiz/Emerald is still a problem... I'm the Clearlooks developer (yes Murrine too :P ), my friend Benzea is the Maintainer of Clearlooks, and he is the author of the eXperience engine :D So we will implement (he is the right guy to do this) this feature the day we get a sane way to do it, without the hackish way in eXperience. Another *huge* problem is that menuitems don't get shadows, so the whole menu will always look ugly, except an highly decentered shadow like in your sceenshot. (I'm using centered shadows, with 0 x-y offset, like a lot of huys... so this feature without shadow on menuitems will cause just glitches) > > Here's a little screenshot: > http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfoto1su9.png > Later I'll upload the engine, but I've to clean up the code before > (This was my first contact to C;-)). NO, please NO yet another engine. I was totally against the decision of xlcheese to publish his patch as another engine and I will against a similar idea. Many years ago was created a tool, called DIFF, do publish your patches in a clean and simple way. Just attach your patch for Clearlooks, Murrine or whatever. In a future, if the patch is sane and we agree (in the meaning it's not hackish and it will work with compiz/shadows), that thing could be part of Gnome. It's so useless to publish a fork with more than 95% of the same code. Yes, NODOKA (aka murrine with a different name and fixed hilight_ratio and other options) is an useless engine. And I will be laughing when I'll publish the next release which is faster, better looking, alpha-capable, with a *100 times better* structured code :) Just to notice its capabilities, Murrine's SVN in just 10 lines of code can emulate Nodoka engine, with the benefits of a faster but also more secure/stable code :) (just add style = NODOKA in your gtkrc) eheh > > cheers stein cheers Cimi > > Am Mittwoch, den 05.03.2008, 12:13 +0100 schrieb Andrea Cimitan: > > Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 11.35 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto: > > > On Tuesday 04 March 2008 16:22:09 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > > > You cannot rename human theme from ubuntulooks to murrine/clearlooks and > > > > blame about those gtk-engines. > > > > > > the idea was not to simply rename anything. The gtkrc's we put in are > > > just for > > > testing and are in no way final. I never said I knew how to hack on gtkrc > > > files ;-) The notes I wrote below are just the reults of looking at the > > > clearlooks and murrine themes and trying to decide where each has a > > > weekness/strength in relation to ubuntulooks > > Before writing a Gtkrc, there must be at least *an idea* of what is the > > style of an engine. > > Clearlooks and Murrine are completely different, and they CAN'T have the > > same colors (as it seems from those screenshots). > > > > > > > A theme should be written from scratch with an engine in mind, these are > > > > probably the weird themes I have seen in years :) > > > > Even ubuntulooks, which is one of the less-liked gtk-engine, seems a way > > > > better than both clearlooks and murrine. > > > > > > So you are saying that ubuntulooks is better than both clearlooks and > > > murrine? > > > I do agree that writing something from scratch is the better option, but > > > I am > > > not a developer :D > > > > > No, ubuntulooks is absolutely the last engine, in t
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Murrine Release?
Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 07.34 -0500, Cory K. ha scritto: > Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > Murrine in the svn is much more stable than the 0.53.1 release, was > > rewritten from scratch, and support the ability to change gradients and > > a lot of things directly in the gtkrc. > > So why hasn't there been a release? > > -Cory > Since it has RGBA support and I don't want to push that feature because maybe gtk+ is going to be RGBA-enabled by default, and that means no more plugins for Applications. Furthermore I need a valid Theme Editor, an XML schema file, and useful howtos... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 11.35 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto: > On Tuesday 04 March 2008 16:22:09 Andrea Cimitan wrote: > > You cannot rename human theme from ubuntulooks to murrine/clearlooks and > > blame about those gtk-engines. > > the idea was not to simply rename anything. The gtkrc's we put in are just > for > testing and are in no way final. I never said I knew how to hack on gtkrc > files ;-) The notes I wrote below are just the reults of looking at the > clearlooks and murrine themes and trying to decide where each has a > weekness/strength in relation to ubuntulooks Before writing a Gtkrc, there must be at least *an idea* of what is the style of an engine. Clearlooks and Murrine are completely different, and they CAN'T have the same colors (as it seems from those screenshots). > > > A theme should be written from scratch with an engine in mind, these are > > probably the weird themes I have seen in years :) > > Even ubuntulooks, which is one of the less-liked gtk-engine, seems a way > > better than both clearlooks and murrine. > > So you are saying that ubuntulooks is better than both clearlooks and > murrine? > I do agree that writing something from scratch is the better option, but I am > not a developer :D > No, ubuntulooks is absolutely the last engine, in terms of liking and stability, bugs, security. But with those weird gtkrcs, it looks better. Murrine in the svn is much more stable than the 0.53.1 release, was rewritten from scratch, and support the ability to change gradients and a lot of things directly in the gtkrc. Also adding custom widgets should be much more simpler. > > I really hope these and derivates will NEVER be part of ubuntu. > > No worries, they probably won't be...at least not in this form. > > > If you want those engines, you should tweak the color palette, with > > shadings and some hue changes. Or stick to ubuntulooks, which uses > > colors in a *fake* way (I mean that it does what it wants, bg[SELECTED] > > is used for the prelight, for example...). > > This is something very interesting to me but way out of my scope. I would > need > to understand what is "good" and what is "bad" in gtkrc as I am used to just > editing the thing until it looks like I want it to. Clearlooks loves bg[selected] with saturation < 45/100 ad value < 86/100. Murrine should look great with a lot of colorschemes (because of the glossiness), but you must take a look at the contrast (see the horrible scrollbar in Human murrine) > > > If you want great themes, maybe following Tangerine's palette (much more > > adaptable to a gtk theme), I have few great ones. > > I would love to see anything you have. For Hardy we will stick with the same > main desktop colors as we always have used, it being the last of the cycle > and all. Just for a hint, Mirco Muller is using a Murrine theme which I gave him a year ago. With a matching wallpaper too. > > Thanks for the information, I hope we can discuss this more in the future. > > -- > Ken > > > Cheers > > > > Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 12.29 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using > > > murrine at the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and > > > we'll test that in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need > > > improvement if they are going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it > > > does have minor bugs, has a definte look and is quite well polished. With > > > an eye to the future, here is a list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In > > > many cases the -'s can be easily solved ...feel free to help :-) > > > > > > Human Ubuntu Looks (#1): > > >- lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we don't > > > have to get rid of them just yet > > >+ we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons > > >+ and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box > > >- toggle button doesn't share the obviousness > > >+ liked the markers in the progress bars > > >+ liked the inset tray look of sliders > > >+ liked the filled insides of sliders > > >+ liked the prelight colour of scrollbars > > >+ liked tab colours and no gradient > > >+ selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect > > > > > >Human Clearlooks (#2): > > >- menubar different colour to everything else > > >- gradient buttons instead of glossy >
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
You cannot rename human theme from ubuntulooks to murrine/clearlooks and blame about those gtk-engines. A theme should be written from scratch with an engine in mind, these are probably the weird themes I have seen in years :) Even ubuntulooks, which is one of the less-liked gtk-engine, seems a way better than both clearlooks and murrine. I really hope these and derivates will NEVER be part of ubuntu. If you want those engines, you should tweak the color palette, with shadings and some hue changes. Or stick to ubuntulooks, which uses colors in a *fake* way (I mean that it does what it wants, bg[SELECTED] is used for the prelight, for example...). If you want great themes, maybe following Tangerine's palette (much more adaptable to a gtk theme), I have few great ones. Cheers Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 12.29 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto: > Hi all, > > I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using murrine > at > the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and we'll test that > in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need improvement if they are > going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it does have minor bugs, has a > definte look and is quite well polished. With an eye to the future, here is a > list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In many cases the -'s can be easily > solved ...feel free to help :-) > > Human Ubuntu Looks (#1): >- lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we don't > have to get rid of them just yet >+ we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons >+ and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box >- toggle button doesn't share the obviousness >+ liked the markers in the progress bars >+ liked the inset tray look of sliders >+ liked the filled insides of sliders >+ liked the prelight colour of scrollbars >+ liked tab colours and no gradient >+ selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect > >Human Clearlooks (#2): >- menubar different colour to everything else >- gradient buttons instead of glossy >- no prelight of scrollbars >- no colour inside sliders >- checkboxes not obviously checked >+ but toggle buttons are much more obvious >- don't like tab gradients >+ but colour is ok >- progress bars look like tanks, no markers > >Human Murrine (#3): >- lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of > window; not urgent to remove >? menu bar is very strange >+ but the menus themselves look great with the gutter >- quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye >- progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset >- sliders also not inset >+ but filled >+ obviously checked >- but white >- toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact >+ tabs have no gradient and gutter colours >- no scrollbar prelight >- entire scrollbar coloured > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Here's my hacked version of clearlooks and 3 themes to go with it. (updated)
Il giorno sab, 09/02/2008 alle 15.28 -0600, xl cheese ha scritto: > The dude does some pretty good work for the theme engines, but I've > exchanged a few emails and he is an ass. Especially since I had > exchanged emails about the work I did to the engine to make a unified > menubar and toolbar. I essentially asked for permission to patch > them in. > Before saying that someone "is an ass" at least CHECK if this guy is currently subscribed to the mailing list and reads your emails. Thanks for your compliments, and for the respect and the education you're showing to the whole community. We *really* need a guy like you. Best regards -- Andrea Cimitan <http://www.cimitan.com> GNOME Developer <http://www.gnome.org> Murrine Creator <http://www.cimitan.com/murrine> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
I can confirm those words another time. ;) Diagonal stripes could be fun when you have a lot of buttons with a fixed aspect (see gcalctool for example), but when you have an app with a lot of buttons of various aspects (some thin, some fat etc etc) the result is a _really_ boring theme. Unconsinstent too. Don't waste your time now ;) Best regards Andrea Cimitan Il giorno mar, 06/11/2007 alle 15.02 +0100, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen ha scritto: > On 06/11/2007, Julian Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > coming in a bit late on this one but would just like to second > support > of Patels diagonal gradiants: if we are to have them at all > then they > are the best i've seen yet. > > I had a response from Cimitan Andrea (Murrine dev) that he had > actually already tried out those diagonal gradients and found that > they did not look good in a real working system. > > While I certainly can appreciate that diagonal gradients might work > badly in a production environment (even though the mockups look > sweet), I still want to see it myself. > > I will try and find some time to hack this into Murrine to check it > out. Don't hold your breath though, I'm pretty swamped in work - if > someone is up to it feel very free to step in :-) I don't think it > should be that tricky (to create the hack atleast - a clean impl is > another thing). > > > > Cheers, > Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] The Community Themes?
Il giorno Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:48:29 -0400 Viper550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > Andrea Cimitan wrote:Il giorno Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:47:08 +0200 > Frank Schoep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > > On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Viper550 wrote: > Oh great...now I HAVE to port it to Ubuntulooks...don't leave all > our hard work in the dust! Peace, Dash, Blubuntu, and Tropic had > alot of good work put into them! Don't make it all for nothing! > For anything regarding the Theme Team efforts I will take the > blame and full responsibility. I have experienced a lot of hiccups > and major problems in that area and even though I'm not sure what > the eventual outcome will be I will try my best to keep working > towards a solution and keep you informed. > > With kind regards, > > Frank Schoep > > Probably murrine is ready for universe... a mantainer is > packaging it. I'll keep you informed. > > Cimi - Andrea Cimitan > >In case of a situation where Murrine can't be included with Ubuntu > (84% likely), I have made a new version of Tropic which uses > Ubuntulooks instead of Murrine... > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Tropic > > Viper550 I think that it will be included at least in universe since for the moment mantainers and mark agree.. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] The Community Themes?
Il giorno Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:47:08 +0200 Frank Schoep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Viper550 wrote: > > Oh great...now I HAVE to port it to Ubuntulooks...don't leave all > > our hard work in the dust! Peace, Dash, Blubuntu, and Tropic had > > alot of good work put into them! Don't make it all for nothing! > > For anything regarding the Theme Team efforts I will take the blame > and full responsibility. I have experienced a lot of hiccups and > major problems in that area and even though I'm not sure what the > eventual outcome will be I will try my best to keep working towards > a solution and keep you informed. > > With kind regards, > > Frank Schoep > Probably murrine is ready for universe... a mantainer is packaging it. I'll keep you informed. Cimi - Andrea Cimitan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] gtk2-engines-murrine iinto Universe?
Hi all... and hi Mark! (or to anyone ho have contacts with developers/mantainers...) I would like to ask someone to add murrine engine into *at least* universe, because supporting for free the ubuntu community is becoming a little difficult for me since at the moment I haven't an ubuntu box on my pc (so i can't package). The engine is now completely stable since Benjamin Berg help me fixing the last stability bugs it had... and it is GPL so there's no reason to stop a nice contribution like this. Since for the moment murrine will not be included into gtk-engines of gnome (i prefer an approach as ubuntulooks does) could any devs package it? Thanks for any reply. Cimi - Andrea Cimitan - http://cimi.netsons.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
