Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid

2008-05-05 Thread Damian Vila
Ken Vermette escribió:
> Hello again everyone;
>  
> Despite limited time, I've managed to throw together a simple theme 
> idea for Intrepid. There's a link below, it's pretty much the same as 
> Kith (in an old hardy wiki, referenced) but with a few tweaks for a 
> more stylized look. Very little time can be put into this, so it's 
> missing icons, text, notifications and so on - so I'll for now most of 
> this idea is up to your imaginations. I like several concepts in the 
> NewWave theme, so try to use that to fill in the blanks.
>  
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid#head-69dfc4b003dd74ae955d65de60288c9cce9a6368
>
> I won't be able to reply for at least a week, so sorry in advance for 
> sluggish communique; Thank you.
> -Ken Vermette
This looks great Ken. I'd love to see how this evolves.
Are you going to reuse some of Union's pieces?
Regards,

D.

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[ubuntu-art] Wiki organization

2008-05-01 Thread Damian Vila
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I was looking at the wiki and, in my opinion, it's a bit disorganized.
Leaving aside pages that are there to help (Documentation, Help, 
Meetings, PageTemplate, etc.) I was thinking that a clearer structure 
could be used.
What must be stressed, in my opinion, is what we actually have, what are 
we working on and what is no longer used.
And also, in the current cycle, have a clearer structure as to where put 
the files, etc.
So, my proposed structure is as follow:

Artwork
~-Incoming (this, of course, is only for Intrepid right now.)
~   -Wallpapers
~  -create your sub page here...
~   -Themes
~   -Concepts
~   -DVDCover
~   -Icons
~   -Marketing
~   -Other
~-Current (this should be for the material related to the actual 
distribution, in this case, Hardy)
~   -repeat similar structure as /Incoming
~-Archived
~   -Gutsy
~  -repeat similar structure as /Incoming
~   -Feisty
~   -etc.

Also, "Official" may be confusing. One could be inclined to think that 
it means all official artwork included in Ubuntu, while is only 
Reference materials, like logos, color palettes, etc. So I suggest it be 
renamed to "OfficialReference", "ReferenceMaterial" or something 
similar. And including a little preview of the logos, etc. would be nice 
too.
I know it's a lot of work. I offer myself to help organize it, but I 
can't do it alone. Maybe we can arrange a meeting to recruit volunteers 
to do it, if everybody else agrees with this, of course.
Regards.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?

2007-12-25 Thread Damian Vila
Thorsten Wilms escribió:
>> And Ubuntu won't be brown, that's for sure.
>> 
> There's no consensus even with the current incarnation of brown.
> I agree with Troy that brown can be done better and shouldn't be judged
> on what we have seen so far.
I want to clarify that I like brown. I had my try at brown and I like
what you can do with it.
If I wrote that is because a lot of people write on the forums that they
don't like brown.
But the problem is not at "brown vs. blue" (or green or whatever).
I've never questioned the use of color. I rather constrained to the
given guidelines. And I believe this is the way I should work if I want
to collaborate with Ubuntu.
What I would like to see is more information. And a clear set of
guidelines, not just a color palette.
Color palettes are for Windows 95. We can do much better with a GUI today.
Ubuntu needs a whole concept. It's been asking for it for a long time.
There's a lot you can do with brown tones. But, when facing a blank
window to create a mockup for Ubuntu, where would you start at?
Modern?, mechanic?, retro?, steampunk?, organic?, glossy?, what? And
what's the idea behind that?
And not just a loose concept as "human", Ubuntu deserves a well thought,
clear, guiding concept. Then each artist could give his/her rendition of
the concept, and the result could be the sum of different concepts, or
just one of those that is really outstanding. But all under the same
clear guidelines of a well defined concept. Not a color palette, some
vague terms and a bunch of scans from magazine ads...
Imagine the feedback you can get from other designers if all were
working under the same concept.
I don't know, maybe I'm asking for too much. But I believe that we are
not here to define the audience, or even the concept. I believe those
roles are assigned to other people that work for Canonical. We are here
to help reach a reasonable good and professional rendition of that
concept for the next version of Ubuntu. And I believe we still don't
have that concept (the result is this:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate )
And of course, we need to know the technical constrains we have
(transparency, 8-bit masks, icon library, etc.), in order to create
artwork that suites the requirements of the distribution.
It's sad to see that so much talent will be wasted because artist didn't
have clear goals and a unifying concept to channel their work.
Well, it's just my opinion after all. And it's only one opinion.
I don't mean to offend anyone.
Regards,

Damian


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?

2007-12-25 Thread Damian Vila
Troy James Sobotka escribió:
> The point of choosing an audience is not exactly as murky as you
> wish to paint it.  It is perhaps one of the most valuable discussions
> this list has _ever_ seen.
>
> Unfortunately, in the end, the default installations presence
> and audience are outside of the scope of our realm and lays
> in the hands of the higher ups.
>
> Sincerely,
> TJS
I agree with Troy.
The ultimate question could be, are you ready to design for Ubuntu's
audience?. That means listening, and listening to everybody. Is Ubuntu's
artwork direction in the hands and will of the audience?
If you really want some feedback from Ubuntu users, then the list is not
the place to be...
And Ubuntu won't be brown, that's for sure.
With so clear direction and goals, audience is something that's already
been decided, I believe.
Merry Chistmas and a Happy New Year for you all.

Damian

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpapers

2007-12-07 Thread Damian Vila
Hi Anton,

Of course, I'm glad to share the way I work. It will be lengthy, I must
warn you. :-)
First of all a disclaimer: excuse me, because re-reading my previous
mail I think that my translation of the phrase you are mentioning, wich
I'm glad to answer, didn't sound in English as I intended in Spanish. It
looks like I can do people "like" my work at will, something any
designer knows is impossible. What I wanted to say is that I usually
analize what happens to my designs afterwards and try to identify why
they have worked or not. Something that I was taught to do in college by
my professors. Having some kind of feedback about your work is as
important as knowing your audience beforehand. My teachers insisted in
this kind of behavior. They always told us that we had some kind of
responsibility for the messages we were helping spread, so it was
important for us to know if it reached the audience as intended or not.
So, as I said, I'm glad to explain why I believe my work was supported
by so many people, something that gladly surprised me, but that has a
reasonable explanation.

- The first step in creating the Animal series was observing.
As you may see in my profile at the Ubuntu forums, I registered some
time ago, but I have not posted a lot of messages. I spend a lot of time
observing, lurking if you want, before taking part in something, or
collaborating in a community.
One of the mistakes some designers make at the beggining of a project is
being too impulsive about it. I tend to be passionate about my work, so
sometimes I restrain from sending something before I have some decent
knowledge of the community (or the job at hand) and its dynamics. And
specially, before knowing what is expected. Most of the times, this
knowledge really helps.
I believe the best place to know what the Ubuntu user wants is to have a
look at the forums.
The "regular" user don't read specific mailing list, or enters specific
channels at IRC. They express what they want in forums or blogs.
So I read a lot about what people wanted in the forums before sending
something.

- The second step was getting an idea, something to start with.
This was prety easy with Ubuntu. It's african roots are very inspiring.
The sense of freedom from the FLOSS movement had to be reflected also.
I'm the kind of person that finds inspiration everywhere. So, It was
clear at the beginning that it should be african inspired.
I also try to isolate myself from trendy design sites around the time I
start working on something. Some people like to look those kind of sites
for inspiration. I don't need that and feel those sites contaminate my
work. But this is just a personal choice.
So, my first idea was to look for images that could inspire me. I got to
this picture: http://flickr.com/photos/evmurdock/84671834/in/set-1808168/
As a wallpapers it was rather obvious and not very suitable, but it gave
me enough inspiration to start with.

- The third step was to see previous artwork and try to understund its
rules. And also document myself a lot about the subject.
It was clear that all the previous artwork had a similar palette. So,
sending something in greens or blues was out of the question. I also
read the wiki, so, I had enough elements to start playing around. It had
to be brown, with a touch of yellows, oranges, etc. "Earthy" was what
came to my mind.

So, by mere association I came to the idea of the animals. It started
with "african", and then "freedom", "plains", "animals", and then,
specifically to "lions" and "elephants". I added more animals, to see
wich ones gave the best results.
I started my search of animal pictures. I found lots. So I tried several
approaches.

- The fourth step was to apply what I know to the ideas I had.
I know that, by Fitts' law, the edges (and specially corners) of the
desktop are the most useful places, so because of that people tend to
leave icons near the edges (gestaltic associations takes a role, also).
It's not a fixed rule, but it helps to start taking decisions. And also
peripheral vision helps you distinguish what's not in the center of the
eye, so, the edges needs to be darker than the center to offer more
contrast and help peripheral vision. I also know that the human eye can
distinguish more the contrast than the color (the principle used in JPEG
compression algorithm), so a wallpaper with lots of contrast, or with a
very clear and contrasted object (like a macro of an object, for
example, or even the landscape I used as reference) is not the best
approach because it's too distracting. A good picture is something nice
to see, but not to have as a background as you try to do your job. It
was clear to me that a texture was going to work best.

So, so far I had:
- African animals (Lions, elephants, giraffes, etc.)
- Texture with few distracting elements
- Earthy tones
- Dark edges

So, I started to make the wallpapers. (You can see the proposals at the
wiki).

-The fifth step was self-criticism
When I got someth

Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper

2007-12-07 Thread Damian Vila
In functional terms, the best "wallpaper" would be a plain, solid,
blueish, not too dark, not too light, not too saturated color. Something
like #405580. And with the color going darker against the edges of the
screen.
Why?
It's not distracting. I gives enough contrast against _any_ icon you
throw over it. It's neutral. And the blueish tint leaves the best part
of the eye, the Fovea centralis, full of cones, free to detect the
important changes in the display, where actions should happen.(The
darker edges are used to let the peripheral vision detect changes more
easily.)
Any other choice of wallpaper is just an artistic compromise.
Wallpapers are, like most non functional GUI elements such as windows
decoration, typographic choice, color palettes, etc. chosen to convey a
message that goes far beyond mere functionalism.
This is the purpose of this artwork team, to agree on a strong, artistic
statement that convey the values that the Ubuntu distribution tries to
send to the final user.
Or at least, that's how understand it (I may also be wrong.)

Demian

P.S: I'll be glad to explain to you at any moment the design choices I
made to create the animals (including the elephant) wallpapers, and why
it works and was (is) supported by so many people. Curiously enough, not
many people asked me how I made them and why. One of the people who
_did_ talked with me about the wallpapers is participating in this same
discussion :-)

julian escribió:
> not at all. computer desktops don't exist to be appreciated as a singular work
> of eye-catching art. they are there to be transparent interfaces to
> the underlying productivity offered by the computer. they must be easy on 
> the eye for sustained periods of use. 
>
> the /primary/ value of a desktop is not aesthetic, it is functional. 
> this, however does not disqualify them from having an ambition to be stylish. 
> that's a good thing and should be encouraged as a secondary design pursuit.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper

2007-12-04 Thread Damian Vila
Hi Steph,
In case you missed the info:
This is the Hardy Release Schedule:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
When the Artwork Team information is available, it will be there.
You have the Animal wallpapers in the Attic section of the Artwork wiki:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/Animals
But those were designer for Gutsy. I don't know it they will be included
in Hardy.
I have also set up a personal repository for my work:
http://ubuntu.damianvila.com/, but don't expect updates before Jan. 6th
2008, since I'm on a personal holiday break.
And in case you want to see what's been discussed about previous
artwork, you have the mailing list archives online:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/
As you noted, Hardy is in Alpha, and the artwork is still being
discussed. So no final decisions have been made. Developers tend to use
previous version's artwork to generate alpha and even beta versions of
the distro.
So, be patient. Finally, new artwork will be included with Hardy Heron.
Kind regards,

Damian

xl cheese escribió:
> see the wiki for the hardy wallpaper concepts.  I think those pictures
> are posted only to reference the colors and not actual wallpaper ideas.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HardyDesign
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:30:53 +0200
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper
> >
> > +1 for elephant-skin picture :)
> >
> > Sal, 2007-12-04 tarihinde 14:15 +0100 saatinde, Steph yazdı:
> > >
> > > Hi all, I just wanted to set one main goal for Hardy : Change the
> > > defaut wallpaper ! It's been two days I installed a fresh Hardy
> > > Alpha :), and I can't stand that Vista-silly-copy picture on my
> > > desktop. Honestly, I don't want the beautifulest wallpaper ever, but
> > > the actual one is not even good for a "normal user". At least, please
> > > set the elephant wallpaper by default, cause, I repeat, the actual one
> > > is ban, ugly, and not adapted for all kind of tasks (isn't a
> > > wallpaper, though).
> > >
> > > Steph.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

2007-11-21 Thread Damian Vila
Sorry for the double mail, I just found the interview in english:
http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/rozhovory/mark-shuttleworth?page=1

The interesting point:

*4) How are you looking forward to KDE 4? Is there a possibility of
KDE 4 ever displacing Gnome as the default 'desktop of choice' for Ubuntu?*

That's interesting. I'm really looking forward to Plasma and I've seen
that Plasma is starting to land in some of the latest snapshots of
KDE 4. I think there's some great technology work being done there.

I think it's unlikely that KDE replaces Gnome as default Ubuntu desktop.
And the main reason is that we don't, at this stage, have the same level
of confidence in the KDE project's ability to deliver predictable
release schedules. You know, the Ubuntu release schedule, release
process is a very important part of what we do, and Gnome has exactly
the same release philosophy that we do, which is that it's very
important to release predictably every six months. Because KDE doesn't
do that, it would be much more difficult just to deliver the same level
of predictability and planning to the operating system. So for the
moment I think we will stick with Gnome.

*5) So it's not exactly about technical merits. It's about availability
and about you being able to base the schedule on Gnome?*

Yeah, there were two main drivers for us choosing Gnome as the first and
therefore default desktop. The first was their commitment to the six
month release schedule – and they actually had a track record of doing
that. And I believe that KDE could do this. I'm strongly encouraging KDE
to adopt the same release schedule as Gnome, because I think they would
become more widely tested and more widely adopted if they did this.

And the second thing was Gnome's real commitment to usability. They
really care about how easy to use the desktop is. And KDE, at that time,
was more interested in fancy features. So while there's room in the
world for both of these philosophies, we need to pick one. And those
values were closer to what we were looking for. So we went with Gnome.

We have a fantastic community project in Kubuntu which works very
closely with the KDE community. I would love to see Kubuntu get more
downloads, wider adoption, and broader interest. But at this stage it
can't be the default desktop for Ubuntu.

Regards,

D.

titon barua escribió:
> Hi ppl, i know it's like flamming but i would really like to ask
> suttleworth why did he choose gnome, not kde as default(i'm aware abt
> kubuntu)? With upcoming kde4, i think ubuntu should default kde(my own
> opinion ofcourse). btw i am from bangladesh.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

2007-11-21 Thread Damian Vila
As far as I know (from an interview I read), he choose GNOME because
they compromised on a 6 month development cycle (to match that of
Ubuntu) and because GNOME has a compromise on usability and not only on
features.
Regards,

D.

titon barua escribió:
> Hi ppl, i know it's like flamming but i would really like to ask
> suttleworth why did he choose gnome, not kde as default(i'm aware abt
> kubuntu)? With upcoming kde4, i think ubuntu should default kde(my own
> opinion ofcourse). btw i am from bangladesh.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

2007-11-21 Thread Damian Vila
Damian Vila, 34, from Buenos Aires, Argentina, but I live in Madrid,
Spain since 2002. Graphic/Web designer.
I speak Spanish, English, some Portuguese and (very, very basic and
rudimentary) Japanese.
Regards,

D.

sylvain marc escribió:
> Yes, of course. For the communauty, to partage my ideas for the futur LTS
>
> 2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
>
> What language do you want that translated to? English?
>
> On 22/11/2007, at 8:30 AM, sylvain marc wrote:
>
>> This is the document.
>> I hope some ideas are good...
>>
>> 2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
>>
>> Sure. What's the document? Or is it too early in the morning
>> and I haven't woken up yet?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>> On 22/11/2007, at 6:56 AM, sylvain marc wrote:
>>
>>> Probably Daniel Moore could translate the document i give to
>>> Kenneth Wimer ?
>>>
>>> 2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
>>>
>>> I'm Daniel, 32 years old, living in Adelaide, Australia.
>>> I speak
>>> English, Spanish and French and a bit of Portuguese.
>>>
>>> On 11/21/07, Steph < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody
>>> here, and wich language
>>> > do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new
>>> "Member Page" on the
>>> > Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private
>>> for some of us ?
>>> >
>>> > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
>>> >
>>> > Your turn :)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] DarkIce Theme

2007-11-16 Thread Damian Vila
The divider's nice, but the "gloss" contrast is too high, and the
buttons looks like decoration or some kind of weird progress bar...
Too eye candy for my taste. Maybe good to take a few ideas from...
Regards,

D.

Steph escribió:
>
> I just found an intersting theme on Gnome-Look.org : it's called
> DarkIce.
> 
>
> What I really like in this theme is the top border of windows and
> mixing it to Ubuntu colors or Human theme could produce something
> great I think. I'm attaching a screenshot (hope it will work), so you
> can all tell me what do you think about it. 
>
> Cheers, Steph.
>
> PS : My desktop is not really the default one :), so you will just be
> able to see how windows look, because my gnome panels are gone...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 27, Issue 17

2007-09-24 Thread Damian Vila
Sorry, don't get me wrong, because I don't want to sound hash, but I
don't agree with the part that things were clear at the wiki. And also,
you are contradicting yourself.
If it was that clear you should have gotten proposals that matched the
criteria. You got things you didn't expect because the guidelines were
vague. It said "The goal is to get back to something as unique and
beautiful as included in previous versions", with a few of the previous
wallpapers as reference (that were later reduced to 2), and also it was
stated that everybody should try to stick to the color palette.
I see many proposals there that are unique and beautiful (including
yours) and that stick to the palette.
"Abstract", "dark", "fluid", "in brown, dark and earthy tones" was never
mentioned, just "beautiful" and "unique."
To be frank, at the end of the process, and trying to really understand
what was being asked, the image I thought was going to be the default
(specially when the reference images was narrowed to the Hoary and
Breezy wallpapers) was "solar anamorphic flare" by Troy Sobotka. Also,
that was the reason I stopped making images (I wanted to try other animals).
The fact that you decided for your own work (wich is really fine by me,
specially because I like the wallpaper and you have the last word here)
only reinforces me the idea that you, and only you , knew what you were
looking for, and that it was not ptoperly stated in the guidelines.
Again, I'm not criticising how it what selected or even if it was your
own work, but I just want to stand for all the people that submitted
their work and did a great effort to meet the criteria. For all the
people that made "beautiful" and "unique" artwork aticking to the color
pallete.
As for the future, I'll be glad to help the team. I love the distro and
I really want it to shine and stand out from the rest of the OSs. Let's
use the enormous talent at our disposal to make the next release the
best it can be.
Regards,

Damian

Kenneth Wimer escribió:
> Normally you have to be a member of the list to post to the list. I allowed 
> this to go through so that nobody thinks I am secretly controlling things :p
>
> ...and now a few general comments which are not aimed directly at what you 
> have written nor should they be taken personally:
>
> The top of the wiki page explains exactly what was desired. Very few people 
> adhered to that. I have no problem with the other posts but you cannot tell 
> me that we are being rude or mean or secretive about anything when we state 
> exactly what we want and people submit stuff that is completely different. We 
> are making the community package so that even those which are completely 
> different can be included somehow - what more can one ask for in this 
> situation?
>
> There is a page with some decent guidelines to follow. There are pics posted 
> along with the statement "this is what we are looking for", there are colors 
> available which reflect the wishes of those in place to make a decision.
>
> The artwork was never a democratic process. It has been like that long before 
> I started and I have nothing to do with that. The decisions are made by those 
> above me in the company, one of them being the person who is paying for all 
> of this. In any case, this is a meritocracy, not 
> a 
> "two-of-us-complained-on-the-forum-again-and-again-so-now-you-have-to-listen-to-us-ocracy"
>
> The statement that the picture was too dark was totally 100% correct, as was 
> the statement that it was too grainy. Hopefully we have fixed these problems. 
> If not we will keep working on them until they are fixed. Most of the rest of 
> the complaints on the forums are simply personal choice. Note that there are 
> lots of positive comments as well. For some reason people just like to take 
> notice of complaints more than a simple "I like it"
>
> I would love to see everyone who wants to improve things show up to the 
> upcoming meeting and work constructively on moving forward for Hardy. I will 
> be posting an agenda once the date is set (probably early tomorrow morning).
>
> --
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>
> On Monday 24 September 2007 21:37:13 higashiki wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just a few suggestions on the three questions:
>>
>> 1. What is the problem today?
>> There is already a good community around artwork, but there are poor
>> efforts to coordinate human resources and a shortage of useful
>> documentation. Some people in the forums have already pointed out the
>> process isn't really a secret, but it seems so to others because there
>> isn't enough publicity and clear docs that explain how the planning, design
>> and selection process works. The community is frustrated in part because
>> they don't understand why certain a design is chosen (especially if the
>> design in question does not chime with their candidates). Some designers
>> are frustrated because there is not enough documentation in place that
>> spells out what is being asked of them. The result i

Re: [ubuntu-art] Let one thousand flowers bloom

2007-09-24 Thread Damian Vila
Any day on this week will be fine for me.

D.

Kenneth Wimer escribió:
> On Monday 24 September 2007 15:11:57 Martijn Bastiaan wrote:
>   
>> Murat Gunes wrote:
>> 
>>> Kenneth Wimer wrote:
>>>   
 I propose Friday evening at 20 UTC in #ubuntu-art on freenode...sound
 good?
 
>>> Unfortunately I can't attend this Friday or Saturday at evening time. If
>>> Thursday isn't too early and suits others, that would be better.
>>>
>>> m.
>>>   
>> Next week Friday/Saturday, or is that to late?
>> 
>
> Thursday we be ok as well. I would rather have this meeting sooner rather 
> than 
> later as everyone seems to be on a roll here and exited to contribute.
>
> Then again, if we want to schedule it for next week any day would be fine.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] community wallpaper package

2007-09-18 Thread Damian Vila
Uh!. I didn't know that...
I'll try to make a larger version of "lion" then.
Regards,

D.

Kenneth Wimer escribió:
> On Tuesday 18 September 2007 15:31:17 Damian Vila wrote:
>   
>> Hi Ken (and everybody else),
>>
>> I can produce a 4:3 version of the animal wallpapers (most probably
>> 1280x1024) and the original 16:10 I've already submitted.
>> I really apologize, but currently I don't have time to produce a larger
>> version of the wallpapers.
>> Where do I sent them?
>> 
>
> You can either add them to the wiki page or send them to me directly. Too  
> bad 
> there is not a larger size available -I was hoping to put one in the default 
> wallpaper package as well :-(
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] community wallpaper package

2007-09-18 Thread Damian Vila
Yes, I meant 1280x960. Just a lousy habit of using only the W dimension...
Thanks Carlos.

D.

Carlos Moreno escribió:
> Damian Vila wrote:
>> Hi Ken (and everybody else),
>>
>> I can produce a 4:3 version of the animal wallpapers (most probably 
>> 1280x1024) 
>
> Small nit pick --- 1280x1024 is not 4:3  (it is 5:4).  You probably 
> meant 1280x960.
> (in any case, whatever software you use to create the images in that 
> size will remind
> you about the 1280x1024 not being 4:3  :-) )
>
> Saludos,
>
> Carlos
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Re: [ubuntu-art] community wallpaper package

2007-09-18 Thread Damian Vila
Hi Ken (and everybody else),

I can produce a 4:3 version of the animal wallpapers (most probably 
1280x1024) and the original 16:10 I've already submitted.
I really apologize, but currently I don't have time to produce a larger 
version of the wallpapers.
Where do I sent them?
Regards,

Damian

Kenneth Wimer escribió:
> Hi all,
>
> I am in the process of putting together a community wallpaper package. If 
> anyone has any final edits on their pics on 
> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas let me know asap and I'll 
> include them in the package - otherwise I'll pick versions from the wiki 
> page.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
> P.S. It looks like a version of brownFluid (IMG_4874.jpg) will be the default 
> in Gutsy. I am also looking for a second pic to replace "smooth chocolate" 
> from the Feisty package.

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