Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu mockup

[George Brooke]

I'd swear that something almost identical was posted pre-hardy I wonder
if another variation will appear (with no work on implementation)
post-Intrepid.

solar.george

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:31:20 -0700
shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=437694
> 
> Found this on the forumz. Anybody like it?
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu mockup

[George Brooke]

> All this +1 (I like that!) is getting older than top-posting.

+1

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Borderless windows: Goods and bads?

[George Brooke]

Could something be done involving mouse-overs, or maybe just subtly
coloured button?

solar.george

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:50:32 +0100
Julian Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> ..on or around Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:04:13PM -0700, Dylan McCall
> said:
> 
> > Simple screenshot to show off:
> > http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3945/yayfu2.png
> 
> just quickly i'd like to show my vote for that screenshot. it really
> does 'open up' the desktop as you suggest, prioritising the
> application content over the window manager. a frustrating thing
> about Human, and GNOME in general is just how in-you-face all those
> title bars are - all these horizontal stripes of rich colour, the
> density of which accumulate with every new window. it really
> dominates far too much i think. it's too heavy.
> 
> to these ends it would be good to see before-and-after screenshots
> with several 'typical' applications open. it may help to make your
> case.
> 
> that said what is seen in your screenshot may not be at all practical
> - especially for those that aren't power users and know the
> minimise/maximise key combinations by heart.
> 
> regardless, it is refreshing to see.
> 
> cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk

[George Brooke]

Is is not possible to have a wider window border appear when your mouse
hovers near the edge of the window or would this not be possible with
current GTK/Meatacity themes?

solar.george

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:36:44 -0700
Sumit Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, this is somewhat true, but wouldn't at least the titlebar edges  
> remain grab-able? It also begs a question I personally have been  
> wondering for some time: is it possible to force GNOME to draw a  
> resizer in the corner on all windows, including those lacking a
> status- bar?
> -Sumit
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Cory K. wrote:
> 
> > Sumit Agarwal wrote:
> >> I fully agree. I like the OS X border-less style, but of course
> >> that necessitates a compositing engine + drop shadows.
> >>
> >> I think a very minimal window border would go a long way to
> >> professionalizing and de-cartooning the GNOME desktop. As I see
> >> it right
> >> now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME
> >> style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating
> >> for no
> >> good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux  
> >> set?
> >> Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?).
> >>
> >> -Sumit
> >
> > Issue with this is you lose the ability to resize the windows  
> > properly.
> > A less than 3px border is very hard to grab and 0px means only being
> > able to grab the corners.
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] next meeting

[George Brooke]

Personally I use the desktop to store three types of things (not just as 
a junk store)
1: Stuff that I'm working on at the moment (maybe a recently used files 
virtual folder on part of the desktop)
2: Stuff that I frequently need just after startup - links to 
applications which I only use in certain locations.
3: Files that I need rarely but when I do need don't want to have to go 
searching through my home folder for.
So while it is a good idea to try and reduce the use of the desktop as a 
junk store there still needs to be the flexibility to use it as a normal 
folder if you wish (even if it needs to be enabled as an option)


solar.george

Travis Watkins wrote:

On Feb 8, 2008 5:01 AM, Andrew Laignel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Here's an idea, and something I have been wanting for a long time...

Get rid of the 'Desktop' as a file store - remove it from the directory
hierarchy!

The only reason to store something on the desktop is if you can't be
bothered to put it where it's meant to go.  Ideally everything should be
in the home folder, rather than split across a locations.  Everything
else - shortcuts, pseudo-icons could remain but only if handled by the
system in an organised fashion ala Mac OS (drives and folders down RHS).

The mixing of shortcuts, files, and system icons is generally a bad idea
as you don't know whats what largely.  Generally most desktops are just
an ugly mess.

If you remove the desktop-as-a-junkstore paradigm that everyone always
does because everyone's always done it it opens up many new
opportunities for using the desktop as an actual interface rather than
the reliance on toolbars.  It would also make a more intuitive system as
you have more space to work with (as it will hide behind windows) so you
are not constrained to 32px height restrictions.



Actually, the desktop effectively does not exist exactly because it is
covered almost all the time. This is probably why people don't worry
about using it as a junk store, they never see it unless they're
diving in there to get something anyway. Kind of like the junk drawer
on your real desk. :)

  

You could have multiple icons for various things that would expand out
when hovered or clicked such as home folder, drives, places, software
etc.  You could shade all the controls or slide them out of the way when
the desktop has no focus to prevent accidental clicks, and maybe slide
the home folder out if someone does try to drag something to the desktop
to make it obvious that's not where it goes.

I've done a quick mockup of what I think would improve on the GUI.
Obviously it's not perfect but there may be some good ideas there.  With
all the effort being spent on all the other areas of Ubuntu, more should
be spent on the interface.



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Re: [ubuntu-art] A simple, elegant theme using existing OSS themes and CC artwork, achievable by the User Interface Freeze

[George Brooke]

That looks to me like a good idea for an LTS release - it would give 
longer to prepare the artwork along new lines in hardy +1.

solar.george


Mike MacCana wrote:
> Rather than create an all new, revolutionary theme, I promise 
> combining an appropriate existing icon theme, engine, and creative 
> commons licensed artwork.
>
> See:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Tango,_Flow,_and_Glossy
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick user switching panel applet. OT?

[George Brooke]

I like the idea of a recently used applications applet which would show 
icons for say the last five programs you launched from the menu.


Andrew Laignel wrote:

I totally agree with this.

Only functions that are used on an extremely regular basis should have 
an icon on the desktop.  I do like the way Ubuntu has a 'places' menu 
along with 'applications' as if your going to do something then it's 
either going to involve a) opening a file or b) running a program 
though, but too many icons just leads to clutter and creates confusion.


I'd go as far as to say that I seriously doubt more than 80% of the 
general population, if exposed to Ubuntu, would ever use the button.  It 
really shouldn't be there as it doesn't deserve the prominence.  I also 
think the addition of the power off button on the main bar is also silly 
for the same reasons - your only ever going to use it max once per session.


I think the power button position is a response to the anti-MS trolling 
of 'You have to click Start to shut down, lol' which is a ridiculous 
complaint.  From a usability point of view calling the button 'Start' 
and making it an entirely different colour draws the attention of the 
users to it.  Metaphorically it means 'Start doing things here'.


Real attention I think should be paid to the Gnome UI layout.  As far as 
I know it is exactly the same as upstream Gnome and I have seen no 
significant changes or improvements since Warty.  There are many ways it 
can be improved upon to streamline workflow, save space and improve 
usability.  Since Ubuntu is 'Linux for human beings' I believe this 
should be given a top priority as user experience is key to retaining 
your userbase.


As an example from Windows XP, the 'new style' Start box has on the left 
hand side a list of your most commonly used applications.  I've set it 
to display 12 at once and you can pin items to it permanently.  As a 
result if you use an app more than a couple of times in future is never 
more than two clicks away with no need to scan a list for it.


Gnome at the moment still has functionality akin to Windows 98 and I 
feel virtually all the effort is on either dealing with bugs or adding 
new software with seemingly virtually no focus from the Ubuntu camp at 
improving Gnome significantly.


I am working on a few potential UI improvement mockups but I am rather 
busy these days.  I believe that the system GUI is one of the most 
important aspects of an OS, and if given sufficient love it would help 
pull Linux into the mainstream.  Users care about looks and usability 
far more than stability and freedom.


Although this is Ubuntu Artwork, I do think Usability should be given a 
top priority, or even it's own list (it deserves it!).


Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote:
  
I'm not sure if this is quite on-topic for the art list, but it has to 
do with visual presentation so I thought I'd try here first:


As it is the top panel in Ubuntu is as cluttered or more cluttered than 
Windows or Mac desktops, with the addition of another panel at the 
bottom. One item that is significant taking up a lot of space on the 
upper panel is the fast user switching applet, which manifests itself as 
text showing the current user name.


This is a great feature. However, I would *guess* that for greater than 
50% of Ubuntu users this is unnecessary as they are using the machine as 
a *personal* computer and as such they are the only user registered on 
the system. This makes the applet pointless and it only adds to clutter 
and eating away at space.


Could Ubuntu be configured to intelligently only add the applet if there 
is more than one user registered to the system?


Sorry if this is off-topic,
-Sumit

  




  
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Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy artwork

[George Brooke]

Nice - I'd like to see an entire theme around this wallpaper

solar.george

François Degrave wrote:
I really like this wallpaper too : modern, clean,... everything we could 
expect from a wallpaper! I think it would be nice if the login screen 
shared the same colors as the wallpaper, or even the same design.


I quickly made a really rough mockup of it : 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti_Login


Cheers,

François

Dylan McCall a écrit :
  
Going by the page's revision history, we can see that the Wiki page's 
author (and I would bet the talented artist here) is "nothlit".


https://launchpad.net/~nothlit 

Bye,
-Dylan McCall

On Sat, Feb 2, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Sumit Chandra Agarwal 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I really love everything about it. No other wallpaper quite says
"Ubuntu
is different" from Mac and Vista like this image does. Its
gender-neutral, hip, and there's a certain wonderful whimsical
forward-looking emotion captured in that upturned face.
If Hardy does adopt this, and it is successful, it could also set a
blueprint for future wallpapers as stylized paintings (with the
stylization gradually changing to match current cultural styles)
of the
release-name-animal.

I hope I'm not getting too excited here,
-Sumit
P.S. I wish we knew who the artist was so we could get them on the
list!

Sav vas wrote:
> I love it (Fela Kuti). This could very much be the hip wallpaper of
> hardy, to get away from those "default lines" in the background :)
>
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[ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Mouse Theme

[George Brooke]

Hi,

I wondered if any one has seen this 
(http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Crystal+Cursors?content=66327) 
- I think that it would be nice cursor theme to have as default on ubuntu.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Some Themes Ideas

[George Brooke]

Yes Deviant lines looks good - I may try and make an xfwm theme similar 
if I have the time.


solar.george

Webmaster, Jhnet.co.uk wrote:
The Deviant lines theme looked really good, a very original design 
that integrates well and has a nice clean appearance. It's also nice 
to see a theme that doesn't have very chunky borders which just waste 
space and make the interface feel a lot more chunky. I would in this 
theme prefer to see a larger title bar text (for accessibility) in 
exchange for less wasted space at the bottom - I think something could 
be done with this theme to make it work well for a possible alternate 
theme for Ubuntu to ship: something that is unusual and original but 
not sci-fi and old fashioned.


Jonnathan

On 15/01/2008, *Steph* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Hi all, I just made my usual visit of Gnome-Look.org and I found
some interesting ideas we could try to develop for an eventual
Ubuntu GTK Theme.

First, a theme called Deviant lines
 :
Here's a screenshot of my desktop :
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4390/deviantlinesdo1.png


What I like most is the way top of windows are rectangular and
bottom are rounded. Can metacity do that ? Next, the buttons. I
often see themes with rounded buttons, but I personnaly think it's
over. A nice button, in my opinion, is rectangular with really
small rounded corners (Apple.fr  has some). In
this theme, buttons are still too rectangular, but nice. And
finally I like the way windows seems unified. Well here, there are
even too unified because sometimes you get a little confused, but
we should work in that way ( DarkIce theme

had a great success thanks to its union in the menubar and
metacity border, I think).

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-art] New proposal in the wiki - gelatin

[George Brooke]

Yeah I could see that working as a default theme

On 30/12/2007, Nick Bauermeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There's a new proposal (mockup?) in the wiki I really like:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/gelatin
>
> I remember somebody saying we are not aiming for a tangoish stile but
> this one is really beautiful (yet simple).
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?

[George Brooke]

I guess it's just a matter of personal preference. Also I mainly use a 
tablet pc so its easier to click on enclosed buttons than when using a 
mouse. Maybe someone could create an alternative controls (is that 
correct ?) theme for people who prefer rounded buttons.


solar.george

Ken Vermette wrote:
One thing I need to say about Vista is they did good with the window 
buttons. I'll give em credit where credit is due.


A few weeks before I started this theme I read as many reviews and 
interface guidelines as I could, and one was a review on GUI aspects 
of Vista and OSX. While they come a dime a dozen, this one was 
(surprisingly) neutral.


Anyway, when it was on topic about window buttons, one thing it 
mentioned constantly was "slamming", where users will slam the mouse 
onto one edge of the screen. So, as long as an element touches an edge 
or a corner (which is why I'm tempted to make the X cover the complete 
corner of the window) the user doesn't need to bother with carefully 
positioning the mouse over the button.


While it doesn't sound like a big deal, it's just another thing to 
look at. If I rounded the corner then the button would need to be 1 or 
2 pixels lower to accommodate the top-edge, breaking the users ability 
to slam.


--Ken Vermette

On Dec 19, 2007 6:28 AM, George Brooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


How about making the window close minimise ect. icons rounded off
at the top rather like the main menu.

solar.george


Ken Vermette wrote:

It's kind of like a mold... Like it or not, it kind grows on you.
I hated my windows when I made them, and I have a gallery of
hideous window ideas that I hope will never see the light of day.

Orange is really just a highlight colour in this theme, so it'll
proballbly look odd on the theme until some widgets are added.
When they get added though, hopefully the additional orange in
the theme will make it feel more balanced. I lightened up the
brown and slightly altered the orange - so it should hopefully be
a bit better. I can't really use any other colours (even if I
think they'll look better) because I want to stick to the
official Ubuntu colour pallet.

I'm actively planning a small set of variations in popular
colours; I don't think there will be a way to change the colours
via the colour menu - unless there's a hue-shifting algorithm
involved (similar to the one implemented in Vista or Windowblinds).

Anyway, there's another update up on the wiki:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=fulldesk%28svg%29_v3_2.jpg

<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=fulldesk%28svg%29_v3_2.jpg>

the XCF and SVG sources have been updated aswell; the XCF
actually has everything in it now, I uploaded a half-finished XCF
file on the first version, but the new one will be much better
for people who want to use or edit content because it's complete.
For anyone wanting to make a mockup using the files, the Mock-ups
are first edited/rendered in InkScape, then are imported into the
bottom layer of the XCF. You could delete the BG in inkscape and
export a transparent PNG to create a render suitable for porting
into other themes.

Thanks as always,
--Ken V

On Dec 18, 2007 12:42 PM, Corey Woodworth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

At first I didn't like this theme, but it is really growing
on me. Of coarse there are things that still need work. The
orange in the theme feels out of place. It just doesn't fit
it because of how heavy the browns are. I think using white
as the selected item color in the menus would look a lot
better. I also think that the notification area needs to use
different colors. It needs to stand out more. Now it hardly
stands out at all since it is the same color as the
background behind it, and of most windows. Speaking of the
windows, I really like the way the titlebar and menu bar are
visuially connected int the active window. In the unactive
window where it looks like just a gradient from brown to tan
looks very ugly to me.

I think this theme is about the prettiest a brown theme could
be, but we would still get a lot of flac from the brown
haters if this were default. I hope that it works well with
the color options in the appearence settings so that keeping
the theme but using a different  color is just a couple of
clicks worth of work.

Corey


On Dec 17, 2007 9:30 PM, Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<

Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?

[George Brooke]

How about making the window close minimise ect. icons rounded off at the 
top rather like the main menu.


solar.george

Ken Vermette wrote:
It's kind of like a mold... Like it or not, it kind grows on you. I 
hated my windows when I made them, and I have a gallery of hideous 
window ideas that I hope will never see the light of day.


Orange is really just a highlight colour in this theme, so it'll 
proballbly look odd on the theme until some widgets are added. When 
they get added though, hopefully the additional orange in the theme 
will make it feel more balanced. I lightened up the brown and slightly 
altered the orange - so it should hopefully be a bit better. I can't 
really use any other colours (even if I think they'll look better) 
because I want to stick to the official Ubuntu colour pallet.


I'm actively planning a small set of variations in popular colours; I 
don't think there will be a way to change the colours via the colour 
menu - unless there's a hue-shifting algorithm involved (similar to 
the one implemented in Vista or Windowblinds).


Anyway, there's another update up on the wiki:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=fulldesk%28svg%29_v3_2.jpg 



the XCF and SVG sources have been updated aswell; the XCF actually has 
everything in it now, I uploaded a half-finished XCF file on the first 
version, but the new one will be much better for people who want to 
use or edit content because it's complete. For anyone wanting to make 
a mockup using the files, the Mock-ups are first edited/rendered in 
InkScape, then are imported into the bottom layer of the XCF. You 
could delete the BG in inkscape and export a transparent PNG to create 
a render suitable for porting into other themes.


Thanks as always,
--Ken V

On Dec 18, 2007 12:42 PM, Corey Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


At first I didn't like this theme, but it is really growing on me.
Of coarse there are things that still need work. The orange in the
theme feels out of place. It just doesn't fit it because of how
heavy the browns are. I think using white as the selected item
color in the menus would look a lot better. I also think that the
notification area needs to use different colors. It needs to stand
out more. Now it hardly stands out at all since it is the same
color as the background behind it, and of most windows. Speaking
of the windows, I really like the way the titlebar and menu bar
are visuially connected int the active window. In the unactive
window where it looks like just a gradient from brown to tan looks
very ugly to me.

I think this theme is about the prettiest a brown theme could be,
but we would still get a lot of flac from the brown haters if this
were default. I hope that it works well with the color options in
the appearence settings so that keeping the theme but using a
different  color is just a couple of clicks worth of work.

Corey


On Dec 17, 2007 9:30 PM, Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

Got the link, and thanks to Racoqster for the quick post on
the blog. I know about every language BUT python, so I can try
to learn python this weekend and assist in coding later if
absolutely necessary; Would it be possible to work without the
configurator?


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals

The Wiki has been updated to include a mockup with all current
elements - and links to the SVG source and XCF source are
directly below the image. I'll be downloading some themes that
resemble mine (in their technical composition) and start to
figure out how we could get this beast into a live
environment! The XCF source is almost useless, but it can make
life easy if anyone wants to make a mockup with icons & text.

The large mockup doesn't include the most recent requests
(several of which will be integrated), but it gives the
closest impression to what a full desktop would look like
right now - barring the lack of widgets.

Thanks all;
-- Ken V


On Dec 17, 2007 7:51 PM, Iacopo Masi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

On 12/17/07, Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> There's go GTK yet, currently most of the work is going
into mockups. I need
> to get ahold of the Murrine Developer Andrea Cimitan,
and see about getting
> information on the Transparent GTK tweaks before I start
making the mockups
> live graphics.

   

Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?

[George Brooke]

That's a default theme that I would use - I normally change the theme 
very quickly after a new install.


solar.george

Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:

Ken, this is one of the best Ubuntu themes I've ever seen!

Cheers.

2007/12/15, Ken Vermette < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>:


Hey; I know I'm probably very late to the party when it comes to
submitting this stuff, but hopefully it's in time for either
consideration or even just half-useful input.

Other Wiki guys and myself have been working on the GTK and
Emerald/Metacity themes; We've just gotten enough polish to be
worth showing you guys:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals


It's still in draft-format, but it's completly SVG and would use
the Murrine Engine with semitransparencies. There would be 4
Emerald/Metacity themes, and 2 GTK themes, for varying hardware
and an alternate colour theme for Blubuntu fans.

I've kept track of the mailing list (and I was the Ken in the Art
meeting, sorry to Wimer if people thought I was you) and I think I
have (most) of the concepts discussed in the theme itself. Would
this theme be worth modding or changing to be accepted as the
default Ubuntu theme? Or should we just continue working on it and
try throwing it in as an alt theme? Or is it too late to the party?

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