Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy gtk theme
Hi. While I still don't see any immediate need for high res, we did start playing around with the uber-detailed style for gnome icon theme [1]. There is nothing stopping you from providing highly detailed artwork for large canvases without diverging from the tango style. We don't have any guidelines for the high res as it will take a bit of iterations to get the style right, but don't consider 48x48px to be a dead end for Tango. The current problem is getting consistent icon set across dozens of free applications, and this is largely a 24x24/22x22 pixel land still. The Oxygen set has recently been improving in low res area and the style isn't far off from tango in fact[2]. I am pretty confident that creating an Ubuntu base set that follows the tango guidelines, provides high-res art will work rather well in KDE4 too. cheers [1] http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=users/jimmac/git-highres.git;a=summary [2] http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/#oxygen On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 13:12 -0500, Corey Woodworth wrote: > I agree about Tango. It's nice and all, but I want something more > detailed, realistic, and well, different. I think working off the > Oxygen theme wouldn't be a bad idea since there will already be quite > a lot work done on it. Mime types and actions would already be > completed. We'd mostly just have to make gnome application icons. -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Bad visual metaphors
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 14:05 +0100, Nacho de los Ríos Tormo wrote: > >> 1. "Save." Nobody uses floppy disks anymore! We need an updated > >> metaphor, even if it's just some stupid abstract symbol that > >> doesn't really represent something in the real world - as long > >> as one can grow to associate it consistently with committing > >> something semi-permanently to disk, that's OK in my book! > >> > > > > I think the same, in tango after some discussion was choosed to use > > the hd + arrow which may not be the best metaphor, but it's better > > then the obsolete floppy. > > > The hd+arrow works very badly in my humble opinion, assuming knowledge > of what a hard disk looks like: most users have never EVER seen a > disembodied hard disk drive, and not knowing what the gray box is, the > purpose of the arrow becomes totally opaque, too. > > Maybe an arrow pointing in and out of a folder might do for save and open. Hi. We've had the very same discussion when we designed the save icons. The drive won, because it's differs greatly from the folder used for open. Having two folders with an arrow next to each other is a bad thing, even if you try to compensate with, say, color coding. So we went for the lesser evil. But maybe you guys can go the extra mile and come up with something better... > The trashcan is so much better! Everybody knows what a trashcan is. If > you really MUST show that deletion is irrecoverable, a piece of paper > ripped into four pieces, maybe falling into a trashcan might do. Anyway, > don't forget that the shredder icon is currently being used to send > things to the trashcan. Gnome icon theme uses two types of trash bins. The recoverable trash bin looks like a typical office bin behind your table you can reach to and recover something. The one for edit-delete is the one you have on the side of the road, unlikely diving in to recover stuff. Most people will probably not be able to make a distinction, especially when the outside bins differ country to country, but perhaps is a lesser evil than the shredder. > ** The crumpled paper for "spam" in Evolution. You might crumple a piece > of paper because it is spam, because you've read it, or because you > don't want to read it. The ambiguity is made worse by the fact that it > would be extremely difficult to depict well a crumpled piece of paper in > such a small set of pixels, and I don't think the current icon is up to > par. Sorry, don't want to offend anybody, but I don't like it very much! > > ** The trashcan for "spam" in Thunderbird. Again, there is nothing in > the trashcan that leads you to think that everything inside is spam. The > adjacent red cross for "delete" further complicates the matter, as it is > extremely hard to determine which one does what. > > I think a piece of paper with a sad or sick (red?) smiley might do fine > for "spam", and with a happy smiley for "ham". The trashcan should > contain all emails that are thrown away. On one hand I do like the idea having smiley faces (easy approve/disapprove), yet emoticon icons do show up in the UI already, for, well, inserting emoticons. Again, I agree the paper is not a strong metaphor or not even well executed, and would welcome any decent metaphor suggestions for improvement. Oh an btw, this discussion reaches outside the boundaries of the Ubuntu project. This isn't a branding discussion. I'd like to suggest to transfer all this energy around icon metaphors upstream, to the gnome-themes[1] list. I fear the very same discussions happen on fedora or Mandriva lists as well :/ cheers -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] good job on the usplash!
Hi folks, the last update finally revealed a well executed usplash. While still a bit on the bubblegum side, it's nice and polished. Good job! -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntuartist.org icon attribution
On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 13:30 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Jakub Steiner wrote: > > Howdy, > > I'm not really sure if this is the right list for this request, but > > there is a good chance there is the person responsible for the > > ubuntuforums.org skin subscribed here. Currently the footer is > > attributing the used icon artwork to Canonical Ltd. Can you please have > > it point to the tango project website at http://tango-project.org? > > > > cheers > > > > Feel free to bounce me to an appropriate list/person. > > > I'm offline right now, but if this hasn't yet been attended to, please > pursue it further with Matt Nuzum who is webmaster-in-chief and can > herd the right cats. We should be giving credit where much is due! Hi Mark, this has been dealt with very promptly after my notice. Thanks -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] ubuntuartist.org icon attribution
Howdy, I'm not really sure if this is the right list for this request, but there is a good chance there is the person responsible for the ubuntuforums.org skin subscribed here. Currently the footer is attributing the used icon artwork to Canonical Ltd. Can you please have it point to the tango project website at http://tango-project.org? cheers Feel free to bounce me to an appropriate list/person. -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ooo splash redesign for dapper
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 14:45 +0100, Jakub Steiner wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:56 +, Who wrote: > > On 3/20/06, Jon Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey, this is my first post to this list so i'm not sure if this is the > > > right > > > email address. > > > Anyway, I agree the first one is very nice. I would use the darker brown > > > for > > > the "2.0.2" and the birds on top of " Openoffice.org" I think that would > > > look even better. > > > Also, wouldn't it be nice if OO.o used the human or tango icons? The same > > > goes for every application (Firefox, etc...). > > > Apparently Jimmac is working on Tango icons for OO.o : > > > http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-OOo > > > > Yea, but how dow we get them? do we have to suck them out of SUSE CVS? > > Howdy, > the icons are going in OOo CVS (ui/ooo_custom_images, the > cws_src680_jimmac02 branch). > > cheers Oops! I have to correct myself, the correct branch is cws_src680_jimmactango. The repo can be accessed anonymously at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs If any of you guys wants to help out, you're very welcome. Michael Meeks suggests you look at signing the JCA first - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JCA. cheers -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ooo splash redesign for dapper
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 23:46 +1100, Pascal Klein wrote: > I'd have a chat with Jakub about it, especially since he states on his > site where you can find the icons that they are not all free to use. I > would imagine that the OpenOffice icons, since they are very > tango-styled, are under the CC by-sa license, though I'd check > nontheless, and he could probably save you from getting them from SUSE > CVS. :) Hi. They are not CC-BY-SA, they are whatever OOo is these days, I believe LGPL. Also note that this is a revamp of the Industrial icon set for OOo that you guys ship as well. It does not come in all the sizes defined in the tango styleguide. It's just a quick update of the style. cheers -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ooo splash redesign for dapper
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:56 +, Who wrote: > On 3/20/06, Jon Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey, this is my first post to this list so i'm not sure if this is the right > > email address. > > Anyway, I agree the first one is very nice. I would use the darker brown for > > the "2.0.2" and the birds on top of " Openoffice.org" I think that would > > look even better. > > Also, wouldn't it be nice if OO.o used the human or tango icons? The same > > goes for every application (Firefox, etc...). > > Apparently Jimmac is working on Tango icons for OO.o : > > http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-OOo > > Yea, but how dow we get them? do we have to suck them out of SUSE CVS? Howdy, the icons are going in OOo CVS (ui/ooo_custom_images, the cws_src680_jimmac02 branch). cheers -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A call for icons: gnome-accessibility-theme
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 17:22 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Jakub Steiner wrote: > > The gnome-themes module, where the icons reside, only includes bitmaps. > > There are also some, in my view, not so well executed icons contributed > > by Sun folks there. If anybody wants to step in and create a nice high > > contrast set based on the original artwork, possibly following the new > > naming scheme, I have tared up the icons here - > > http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/high-contrast.tar.bz2. The icons are > > LGPL. I will be happy to contribute extending such a set, but do not > > have time to set up the infrastructre and everything. > > > Hi Jakub - do you have the original Illustrator vector images? Would > it be possible to write them out in SVG format do you think? Hi Mark, the archive above contains both the adobe illustrator source files and svgs exported with Adobe Illustrator 9. It uses viewbox parameter for the canvas which causes trouble for some renderers and has weird scaling. For the new "proper" theme I suggest using a 48x48px target size (so some cut'n'pasting is required). cheers -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A call for icons: gnome-accessibility-theme
Hi Henrik & Ubuntu artists! I'm the author of the original high contrast icon set. While it has been created in vectors to allow screen density independece, I have used a proprietary Adobe Illustrator back then. The gnome-themes module, where the icons reside, only includes bitmaps. There are also some, in my view, not so well executed icons contributed by Sun folks there. If anybody wants to step in and create a nice high contrast set based on the original artwork, possibly following the new naming scheme, I have tared up the icons here - http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/high-contrast.tar.bz2. The icons are LGPL. I will be happy to contribute extending such a set, but do not have time to set up the infrastructre and everything. I have written a small how-to for the high contrast icons ages ago, so it would be a nice starting point for some style guidelines too - http://jimmac.musichall.cz/doc/high-contrast/html/index.xhtml cheers -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
