Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-19 Thread Toby Deemer
tonic wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 11:38 -0400, Ken Vermette wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> I'm a big fan of this very clean and modern looking.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:31 -0700, Brian wrote:
>> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
>> >
>> > Has anyone opened this for discussion?
>> > I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look like it'd
>> take that
>> > much work to get a working mockup from it at least.
>> > Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and I think
>> this would
>> > be absolutely perfect. [:
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> I actually gasped aloud (to the cause of great mockery on my part)
>> when I saw this.
>>
>> This is the GTK look, the frame blends beautifully, I just have no
>> words. This mockup has caused me to scrap my current design for Kin
>> Piano, and I'm going to use this as a template for anything I do
>> further, but this remarkable theme, in my humble opinion, is it. I
>> dont know if I can do better, because this is always what I've been
>> trying to aim for, in sheer cleansliness and polish.
>>
>> Excellent, Excellent work.
>> 
>
> I can do the metacity and usplash work on this.
>
> Usplash - Just get concepts for the usplash onto the wiki page - I can
> go from there. Right now doing usplash work is a bit of a pain, usplash
> is still broken in intrepid, I don't really know what is going on.
>
> Metacity - How I write this depends on how the gtk theme is implemented.
> _But_... I can do an initial version to get you guys started. I will
> probably do a bunch with different button types. We will pick the best.
>
> Base colours - we can do charcoal dust (present colouring) and dark
> chocolate dust variants. I think the chocolate version would be quite
> popular even to people who don't like brown too much.
>
> Cheers,
>   Tonic
>
>
>   
Hello all-

This is my first post, but I had to respond to the Dust theme.

In short- an extremely effective and well thought out design. Many have 
already commented on the cleanliness of the look, so I don't want to be 
too redundant.

But that is great work. Being a first time poster, I probably don't have 
a ton of credibility, but I do have a strong background in fine arts and 
industrial design. So I can say with a certain level of confidence that 
if you take hints from some of the suggestions that have already come, 
i.e. fine tuning the button shapes, small details like that, then you 
are well on your way to a first rate, default-theme-worthy effort, and 
more than adequate to be included in the default install theme package.

So if Tonic did do the metacity work and we had a usable theme, I would 
almost guarantee that it'd be at least /my/ default choice.

But... that's just my two cents. Thanks.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-19 Thread tonic
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 11:38 -0400, Ken Vermette wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> I'm a big fan of this very clean and modern looking.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:31 -0700, Brian wrote:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
> >
> > Has anyone opened this for discussion?
> > I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look like it'd
> take that
> > much work to get a working mockup from it at least.
> > Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and I think
> this would
> > be absolutely perfect. [:
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> I actually gasped aloud (to the cause of great mockery on my part)
> when I saw this.
> 
> This is the GTK look, the frame blends beautifully, I just have no
> words. This mockup has caused me to scrap my current design for Kin
> Piano, and I'm going to use this as a template for anything I do
> further, but this remarkable theme, in my humble opinion, is it. I
> dont know if I can do better, because this is always what I've been
> trying to aim for, in sheer cleansliness and polish.
> 
> Excellent, Excellent work.

I can do the metacity and usplash work on this.

Usplash - Just get concepts for the usplash onto the wiki page - I can
go from there. Right now doing usplash work is a bit of a pain, usplash
is still broken in intrepid, I don't really know what is going on.

Metacity - How I write this depends on how the gtk theme is implemented.
_But_... I can do an initial version to get you guys started. I will
probably do a bunch with different button types. We will pick the best.

Base colours - we can do charcoal dust (present colouring) and dark
chocolate dust variants. I think the chocolate version would be quite
popular even to people who don't like brown too much.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-19 Thread Dylan McCall
> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:19 +0300, SorinN wrote:
> > 1. What I can see ? - finally an other scrollbar design - (as I
> > proposed in the past). For the rest we have Aurora M1, Aurora
> > Borealis, Orion Aurora, Dark Aurora ...etc. 
> > Nothing 'kinky' on this theme (that's good). Pretty bad is dark - but
> > at least is simple, clean, clear.
> > 2. You should put triangle arrows on scrollbar - actual V lines are
> > not so visible.
> > 3. Pretty but - just pretty look - no too much original (read Ubuntu
> > distinctive elements). 
> > 4. Ken, you must be jokin'
> > 
> > 
> > 2008/8/18 Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Wood
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm a big fan of this very clean and modern looking.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:31 -0700, Brian wrote:
> > >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
> > >
> > > Has anyone opened this for discussion?
> > > I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look
> > like it'd take that
> > > much work to get a working mockup from it at least.
> > > Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and
> > I think this would
> > > be absolutely perfect. [:
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I actually gasped aloud (to the cause of great mockery on my
> > part) when I saw this.
> > 
> > This is the GTK look, the frame blends beautifully, I just
> > have no words. This mockup has caused me to scrap my current
> > design for Kin Piano, and I'm going to use this as a template
> > for anything I do further, but this remarkable theme, in my
> > humble opinion, is it. I dont know if I can do better, because
> > this is always what I've been trying to aim for, in sheer
> > cleansliness and polish.
> > 
> > Excellent, Excellent work.
> > 
> > -- 
> > -Ken Vermette
> > 
> > 
> > --
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> > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > 
> Whether his is joking or not that theme is really good.
> It may not look ubuntuish but the icon set will surely be
> orange so I don't think thats a problem.
> Or maybe instead of black it could be a dark brown chocolate color
> like in Kin Piano.m
> 
> 
> please stop top-posting.

Indeed, it is a beautiful theme. (I commented on the wiki page there). I
would like to add that I, too, thought "this is the one! Everyone stop
what you're doing!" the moment I laid eyes on it. (Trouble is, I was at
work, so it took out all my day's energy trying not to yell it aloud).
Ken, I thought it seemed quite a bit like Kin Piano, too, so I was
secretly hoping for you to do this. Kudos for being a team player, and
good luck!

Various dissers: Care to explain why you don't like this mockup so
others can improve it? This is the art mailing list, not a poll, so even
something like "I don't think black is the right direction" would be of
use ;)

Note the comments pointing out that the icon set is unintentional, and
just a leftover from painting on top of a desktop screenshot.

Not a fan of the Firefox mockup, but that is of course another thing
entirely. My trouble with Firefox's mockup is that it takes a completely
different design for tabs and for buttons, so something that should at
least LOOK desktop integrated becomes a jarringly detached presence. In
this case, its interface is too visible.
The Nautilus mockup, on the other hand, is a gorgeous bit of interface
design for the Spatial mode. Someone should cut that out and bump it
over to the Nautilus team.

What I like here is that it remembers something critically important:
Less is more. ESPECIALLY with a theme. The aim here is to create a more
open ended, rigid desktop feel; the look is coloured by the user's
background image and the contents of the windows, instead of by the
frilly borders around buttons.

The same thing is seen with the current unfortunate Empathy vs. Pidgin
debate. A lot of people say "Empathy's interface is not good" but fail
to identify what it needs. Or they say that Empathy's Preferences are
too simple. Fact is, Empathy doesn't /need/ anything more -- and neither
should Pidgin have. It's an instant messaging c

Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-19 Thread Isaiah Heyer
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:19 +0300, SorinN wrote:
> 1. What I can see ? - finally an other scrollbar design - (as I
> proposed in the past). For the rest we have Aurora M1, Aurora
> Borealis, Orion Aurora, Dark Aurora ...etc. 
> Nothing 'kinky' on this theme (that's good). Pretty bad is dark - but
> at least is simple, clean, clear.
> 2. You should put triangle arrows on scrollbar - actual V lines are
> not so visible.
> 3. Pretty but - just pretty look - no too much original (read Ubuntu
> distinctive elements). 
> 4. Ken, you must be jokin'
> 
> 
> 2008/8/18 Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Wood
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a big fan of this very clean and modern looking.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:31 -0700, Brian wrote:
> >
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
> >
> > Has anyone opened this for discussion?
> > I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look
> like it'd take that
> > much work to get a working mockup from it at least.
> > Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and
> I think this would
> > be absolutely perfect. [:
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> I actually gasped aloud (to the cause of great mockery on my
> part) when I saw this.
> 
> This is the GTK look, the frame blends beautifully, I just
> have no words. This mockup has caused me to scrap my current
> design for Kin Piano, and I'm going to use this as a template
> for anything I do further, but this remarkable theme, in my
> humble opinion, is it. I dont know if I can do better, because
> this is always what I've been trying to aim for, in sheer
> cleansliness and polish.
> 
> Excellent, Excellent work.
> 
> -- 
> -Ken Vermette
> 
> 
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> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Nemes Ioan Sorin
> 
Whether his is joking or not that theme is really good.
It may not look ubuntuish but the icon set will surely be
orange so I don't think thats a problem.
Or maybe instead of black it could be a dark brown chocolate color
like in Kin Piano.m


please stop top-posting.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-19 Thread SorinN
1. What I can see ? - finally an other scrollbar design - (as I proposed in
the past). For the rest we have Aurora M1, Aurora Borealis, Orion Aurora,
Dark Aurora ...etc. Nothing 'kinky' on this theme (that's good). Pretty bad
is dark - but at least is simple, clean, clear.2. You should put triangle
arrows on scrollbar - actual V lines are not so visible.
3. Pretty but - just pretty look - no too much original (read Ubuntu
distinctive elements).
4. Ken, you must be jokin'


2008/8/18 Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I'm a big fan of this very clean and modern looking.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:31 -0700, Brian wrote:
>> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
>> >
>> > Has anyone opened this for discussion?
>> > I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look like it'd take that
>> > much work to get a working mockup from it at least.
>> > Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and I think this would
>> > be absolutely perfect. [:
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
>>
>
> I actually gasped aloud (to the cause of great mockery on my part) when I
> saw this.
>
> This is the GTK look, the frame blends beautifully, I just have no words.
> This mockup has caused me to scrap my current design for Kin Piano, and I'm
> going to use this as a template for anything I do further, but this
> remarkable theme, in my humble opinion, is it. I dont know if I can do
> better, because this is always what I've been trying to aim for, in sheer
> cleansliness and polish.
>
> Excellent, Excellent work.
>
> --
> -Ken Vermette
>
> --
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>


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-19 Thread Who
> If nothing else, the themes we have here could replace all the existing
> themes in Ubuntu. Sure, the glorious default theme is something to debate,
> but remember; we have at least 8 or 9 alternate themes packaged with Ubuntu,
> we could easily get rid of 5 or so because of their similarities, and use
> the extra room to just blow-away the alternate themes.  With mix-and
> matching, we could easily and vastly include the variety of pre-packed
> high-quality themes if we are smart about it.

We did that one year, but the inability of the team to keep things up
to date and the hassle of
a) managing the team
b) managing a fairly large delta from upstream

mean that this didn't go beyond Dapper.

Perhaps now Ken is here managing it is time to try again? WHEN there
are packaged, complete themes then I think we could well start
petitioning for this to happen.

...Until there is any substance 'ready to go' don't expect anything to happen :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Vadim Peretokin
Especially when you can't delete the annoying fugly ones... (maybe
because they're owned by root, idk)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Joshua Booth
@Ken

Well said. Who really needs all those Clearlooks, Redmond, Crux themes,
etc.?

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Vadim Peretokin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> You already have your polls then on Digg.com.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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>
> If nothing else, the themes we have here could replace all the existing
> themes in Ubuntu. Sure, the glorious default theme is something to debate,
> but remember; we have at least 8 or 9 alternate themes packaged with Ubuntu,
> we could easily get rid of 5 or so because of their similarities, and use
> the extra room to just blow-away the alternate themes.  With mix-and
> matching, we could easily and vastly include the variety of pre-packed
> high-quality themes if we are smart about it.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Ken Vermette
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Vadim Peretokin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> You already have your polls then on Digg.com.
>
> Cheers,
>
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If nothing else, the themes we have here could replace all the existing
themes in Ubuntu. Sure, the glorious default theme is something to debate,
but remember; we have at least 8 or 9 alternate themes packaged with Ubuntu,
we could easily get rid of 5 or so because of their similarities, and use
the extra room to just blow-away the alternate themes.  With mix-and
matching, we could easily and vastly include the variety of pre-packed
high-quality themes if we are smart about it.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Ken Vermette
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm a big fan of this very clean and modern looking.
>
>
> On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:31 -0700, Brian wrote:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
> >
> > Has anyone opened this for discussion?
> > I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look like it'd take that
> > much work to get a working mockup from it at least.
> > Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and I think this would
> > be absolutely perfect. [:
> >
> >
>
>
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I actually gasped aloud (to the cause of great mockery on my part) when I
saw this.

This is the GTK look, the frame blends beautifully, I just have no words.
This mockup has caused me to scrap my current design for Kin Piano, and I'm
going to use this as a template for anything I do further, but this
remarkable theme, in my humble opinion, is it. I dont know if I can do
better, because this is always what I've been trying to aim for, in sheer
cleansliness and polish.

Excellent, Excellent work.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Vadim Peretokin
You already have your polls then on Digg.com.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Julian Oliver
..on or around Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 09:58:28AM -0400 Vadim Peretokin wrote: 
> A poll for the visual look of something is really bad - there are
> professional designers for a reason, and that's because they know what
> they're doing best. The poll would also not represent everybody who'll
> be using the OS - the old gramdma, the office worker, or Facebook
> addict. Simply because they don't care about all that much to be
> trolling the internet for things related to it.
> 
> Just no, a poll is a pretty bad idea :\

a poll is an /indicator/ of interest, from a certain subset of users.

even a poll on Ubuntu forums would generate vastly more information
about the relative public potential of a theme than we generate here
alone, on this list.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Anton Kerezov
В 16:10 +0100 на 18.08.2008 (пн), Who написа:
> Why do we need one theme, not 5?
> 
> Why should we be limited by the requirements of a default theme when
> making new, exciting work?
> 
> Why should what Mark likes define every theme this team produces when
> Mark is not every other Ubuntu user?
> 
> Shouldn't the artwork community work to ensure that there are themes
> to suit a range of preferences in Ubuntu - not just one default theme
> that has a number of other very important constraints on it that
> aren't related just to the way things look ?
> 
> The community is NOT making the default theme - it doesn't matter that
> we have many different themes. It only matters if nobody every
> finishes a theme and packages it so it can be distributed in Universe,
> eventually maybe Main.

Absolutely right!

The only problem I have though is how am I going to bundle my theme
as .deb. I have the launchpad branch and folders structured as they
should be and only need a man to guide me or show me how to make that
deb file. I was thinking of Cory K. ? Somebody else that can help?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Julian Oliver
..on or around Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 02:46:25PM +0100 José Luis wrote: 
> Why not make a poll in the community to choose the theme? Let 'em
> decide. They won't comply for a theme choosen by them.

yes, i've also been encouraging this approach. this is why i think it's
a good idea to get themes onto Gnome-Look. it's not unilaterally
representative of the Ubuntu user-base, but it's a pretty fine start. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Who
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM, José Luis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We are going nowhere with this; Each one likes a different theme and we
> don't have a "artist in chief" AKA a "BATMAM" (Benevolent  Art Team
> Manager Appointed by Mark) (No, not Batman) who decides what is OK and
> what is not. New Wave, Kin/Kith, Union, Human 2 and Dust are great, we
> need ONE theme, not 5.
> Why not make a poll in the community to choose the theme? Let 'em
> decide. They won't comply for a theme choosen by them.
> --

Why do we need one theme, not 5?

Why should we be limited by the requirements of a default theme when
making new, exciting work?

Why should what Mark likes define every theme this team produces when
Mark is not every other Ubuntu user?

Shouldn't the artwork community work to ensure that there are themes
to suit a range of preferences in Ubuntu - not just one default theme
that has a number of other very important constraints on it that
_aren't related just to the way things look_?

The community is NOT making the default theme - it doesn't matter that
we have many different themes. It only matters if nobody every
finishes a theme and packages it so it can be distributed in Universe,
eventually maybe Main.

Please see:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-April/005852.html
Kenneth Wimmer IS appointed by Mark as the manager of the default
theme - he is BATMAM, in your words.

Which was a response to:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-April/005837.html

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Vadim Peretokin
If you want a nice theme, use Vista.

No, really, their professional art team did make a good theme. But I
guess people that are switching from Vista to Ubuntu aren't doing it
for the looks.

Here's a short read on why voting will not work:
http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/08/brief-example-of-why-voting-doesnt-work_04.html

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread symon cadwallender
lol. I cannot EVER see Ubuntu with a nice theme.
im pesimistic, but Im yet to see a nice theme. (except willwill's)
:)
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Thomas L.Gjeseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
>
> > From: Andrew Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 2008-08-18 15:51:43 CEST
> > To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme
> >
> > Now that's a good idea. People will still be unhappy but at least we can
> > say it was democratic!
> >
> > On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:46 +0100, José Luis wrote:
> > > We are going nowhere with this; Each one likes a different theme and we
> > > don't have a "artist in chief" AKA a "BATMAM" (Benevolent  Art Team
> > > Manager Appointed by Mark) (No, not Batman) who decides what is OK and
> > > what is not. New Wave, Kin/Kith, Union, Human 2 and Dust are great, we
> > > need ONE theme, not 5.
> > > Why not make a poll in the community to choose the theme? Let 'em
> > > decide. They won't comply for a theme choosen by them.
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> > > José Luis Ricón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >
> >
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> As others have pointed out earlier, voting is no good when it comes to
> developing a default theme for ubuntu intrepid. I do love democracy and
> direct-participation, however when it comes to certain areas such as design,
> you need some people devoted to this specific task. Some of us have studied
> art and design, most people haven't. And some times, most people just don't
> know what's best for themselves, ironically :>
>
> The democracy-part comes in when the user is able to choose whether to use
> ubuntu or another distro, whether he/she wants to use the default theme or
> install a new one, or whether one should become a member of art-ubuntu to
> influence the outcome of the default theme.
>
> When it comes to this specific theme, I believe it looks very good, very
> modern and clean. However it DOES lack color, especially in terms of
> competing as a default theme. Nonetheless, I'd love to see a new theme based
> on this one, only with nice orange highlights etc. (as much orange as
> possible without ruining the clean look).
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Thomas L.Gjeseth


> From: Andrew Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 2008-08-18 15:51:43 CEST
> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme
> 
> Now that's a good idea. People will still be unhappy but at least we can
> say it was democratic!
> 
> On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:46 +0100, José Luis wrote:
> > We are going nowhere with this; Each one likes a different theme and we
> > don't have a "artist in chief" AKA a "BATMAM" (Benevolent  Art Team
> > Manager Appointed by Mark) (No, not Batman) who decides what is OK and
> > what is not. New Wave, Kin/Kith, Union, Human 2 and Dust are great, we
> > need ONE theme, not 5. 
> > Why not make a poll in the community to choose the theme? Let 'em
> > decide. They won't comply for a theme choosen by them.
> > -- 
> > 
> > José Luis Ricón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > 
> 
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As others have pointed out earlier, voting is no good when it comes to 
developing a default theme for ubuntu intrepid. I do love democracy and 
direct-participation, however when it comes to certain areas such as design, 
you need some people devoted to this specific task. Some of us have studied art 
and design, most people haven't. And some times, most people just don't know 
what's best for themselves, ironically :> 

The democracy-part comes in when the user is able to choose whether to use 
ubuntu or another distro, whether he/she wants to use the default theme or 
install a new one, or whether one should become a member of art-ubuntu to 
influence the outcome of the default theme. 

When it comes to this specific theme, I believe it looks very good, very modern 
and clean. However it DOES lack color, especially in terms of competing as a 
default theme. Nonetheless, I'd love to see a new theme based on this one, only 
with nice orange highlights etc. (as much orange as possible without ruining 
the clean look).

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Vadim Peretokin
A poll for the visual look of something is really bad - there are
professional designers for a reason, and that's because they know what
they're doing best. The poll would also not represent everybody who'll
be using the OS - the old gramdma, the office worker, or Facebook
addict. Simply because they don't care about all that much to be
trolling the internet for things related to it.

Just no, a poll is a pretty bad idea :\

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Andrew Wood
Now that's a good idea. People will still be unhappy but at least we can
say it was democratic!

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:46 +0100, José Luis wrote:
> We are going nowhere with this; Each one likes a different theme and we
> don't have a "artist in chief" AKA a "BATMAM" (Benevolent  Art Team
> Manager Appointed by Mark) (No, not Batman) who decides what is OK and
> what is not. New Wave, Kin/Kith, Union, Human 2 and Dust are great, we
> need ONE theme, not 5. 
> Why not make a poll in the community to choose the theme? Let 'em
> decide. They won't comply for a theme choosen by them.
> -- 
> 
> José Luis Ricón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Andrew Wood
I'm a big fan of this very clean and modern looking.


On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:31 -0700, Brian wrote:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme
> 
> Has anyone opened this for discussion?
> I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look like it'd take that
> much work to get a working mockup from it at least.
> Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and I think this would
> be absolutely perfect. [:
> 
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[ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread José Luis
We are going nowhere with this; Each one likes a different theme and we
don't have a "artist in chief" AKA a "BATMAM" (Benevolent  Art Team
Manager Appointed by Mark) (No, not Batman) who decides what is OK and
what is not. New Wave, Kin/Kith, Union, Human 2 and Dust are great, we
need ONE theme, not 5. 
Why not make a poll in the community to choose the theme? Let 'em
decide. They won't comply for a theme choosen by them.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-18 Thread Vadim Peretokin
I don't see _[], which are very much essential. Not too impressed
again by the metal grey and the overall dark, sad theme though. But
that's my humble opinion here.

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[ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme

2008-08-17 Thread Brian
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme

Has anyone opened this for discussion?
I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look like it'd take that much work 
to get a working mockup from it at least.
Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and I think this would be 
absolutely perfect. [:



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