Re: [ubuntu-art] Color for the Gtk

2008-07-20 Thread Salane Ashcraft
Well, for one, the current theme doesnt use a prominent brown- its an
off white. I still think we should use an orange/brown combination,
but I am at lost about how to implement it.

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Justin Dugger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ubuntu Art Team-
>>
>> I have been doing some thinking about the color of the theme, the
>> buttons, etc. I also was thinking about some things that Mark
>> Shuttleworth told me and things he has said in interviews regarding
>> the desktop of Ubuntu. He has said that it is something that needs
>> work on , something that we need to improve to the point of being the
>> "Golden Standard," something that he currently believes rests in
>> Apple's hands with OS X. I will agree with him. We need a theme that
>> meets, improves upon, and is superior to OS X's strong points. What
>> are things people like about it? They like its seamless, integrated,
>> and unified design. What are things we can do to help Ubuntu do this?
>>
>> (The following are just my thoughts- carefully thought out and
>> considered as my own opinion I fell free to share)
>>
>> Color - Our current theme uses a mix of a light grey and a medium
>> brown. This combo lends itself to looking outdated or out of fashion.
>> Ubuntu is an operating system, a tech product- we want it to look
>> modern, and with Ubuntu in particular, we want it to look forward.
>> Mark thinks it is necessary to retain the Orange/Brown look of Ubuntu
>> - we can do this in ways other than trying to make the Gtk widgets and
>> panels these colors. I have seen many brown colors, created many
>> gradients, and brown just doesn't seem right as a panel color or
>> window color. I think that we need something that is neutral, yet
>> looks beautiful and futuristic ( not as in robots and the Jetsons, but
>> more like a true futuristic look). We also want Ubuntu to look unique.
>> Therefore black as in Vista and grey as in OS X are taken. What is
>> left besides brown? What is Ubuntu? Nothing in the logo will work.
>> What about what we have? Its a much lighter grey than OS X - why not
>> make it lighter, say to an off white? There is a way to do it where it
>> does not feel cold, or is too bright. Just a thought.
>
> If I might try a rhetorical trick to alter your perception: instead of
> a light brown, why don't we use a dark orange?
>
> If that fails, then perhaps it's time to color parameterize the theme.
>  I think Mark's right about the identification of the Ubuntu desktop.
> It reinforces the idea that using Ubuntu is easy, when people use the
> recognizable theme visible ways.  I think we can satisfy both the
> value of a distinct default desktop and accommodate people who would
> like a different color.  We wholly expect people to change the
> background; if it were just as easy to change the theme color I think
> there'd be little to complain about.
>
> Justin Dugger
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Well, for one, the current theme doesnt use a prominent brown- its an
off white. I still think we should use an orange/brown combination,
but I am at lost about how to implement it. With the current theme, it
is easy to change the colors if you are looking for it. GO to
Appearance>Theme>Customize>Colors.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Color for the Gtk

2008-07-19 Thread Justin Dugger
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ubuntu Art Team-
>
> I have been doing some thinking about the color of the theme, the
> buttons, etc. I also was thinking about some things that Mark
> Shuttleworth told me and things he has said in interviews regarding
> the desktop of Ubuntu. He has said that it is something that needs
> work on , something that we need to improve to the point of being the
> "Golden Standard," something that he currently believes rests in
> Apple's hands with OS X. I will agree with him. We need a theme that
> meets, improves upon, and is superior to OS X's strong points. What
> are things people like about it? They like its seamless, integrated,
> and unified design. What are things we can do to help Ubuntu do this?
>
> (The following are just my thoughts- carefully thought out and
> considered as my own opinion I fell free to share)
>
> Color - Our current theme uses a mix of a light grey and a medium
> brown. This combo lends itself to looking outdated or out of fashion.
> Ubuntu is an operating system, a tech product- we want it to look
> modern, and with Ubuntu in particular, we want it to look forward.
> Mark thinks it is necessary to retain the Orange/Brown look of Ubuntu
> - we can do this in ways other than trying to make the Gtk widgets and
> panels these colors. I have seen many brown colors, created many
> gradients, and brown just doesn't seem right as a panel color or
> window color. I think that we need something that is neutral, yet
> looks beautiful and futuristic ( not as in robots and the Jetsons, but
> more like a true futuristic look). We also want Ubuntu to look unique.
> Therefore black as in Vista and grey as in OS X are taken. What is
> left besides brown? What is Ubuntu? Nothing in the logo will work.
> What about what we have? Its a much lighter grey than OS X - why not
> make it lighter, say to an off white? There is a way to do it where it
> does not feel cold, or is too bright. Just a thought.

If I might try a rhetorical trick to alter your perception: instead of
a light brown, why don't we use a dark orange?

If that fails, then perhaps it's time to color parameterize the theme.
 I think Mark's right about the identification of the Ubuntu desktop.
It reinforces the idea that using Ubuntu is easy, when people use the
recognizable theme visible ways.  I think we can satisfy both the
value of a distinct default desktop and accommodate people who would
like a different color.  We wholly expect people to change the
background; if it were just as easy to change the theme color I think
there'd be little to complain about.

Justin Dugger

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[ubuntu-art] Color for the Gtk

2008-07-19 Thread Salane Ashcraft
Ubuntu Art Team-

I have been doing some thinking about the color of the theme, the
buttons, etc. I also was thinking about some things that Mark
Shuttleworth told me and things he has said in interviews regarding
the desktop of Ubuntu. He has said that it is something that needs
work on , something that we need to improve to the point of being the
"Golden Standard," something that he currently believes rests in
Apple's hands with OS X. I will agree with him. We need a theme that
meets, improves upon, and is superior to OS X's strong points. What
are things people like about it? They like its seamless, integrated,
and unified design. What are things we can do to help Ubuntu do this?

(The following are just my thoughts- carefully thought out and
considered as my own opinion I fell free to share)

Color - Our current theme uses a mix of a light grey and a medium
brown. This combo lends itself to looking outdated or out of fashion.
Ubuntu is an operating system, a tech product- we want it to look
modern, and with Ubuntu in particular, we want it to look forward.
Mark thinks it is necessary to retain the Orange/Brown look of Ubuntu
- we can do this in ways other than trying to make the Gtk widgets and
panels these colors. I have seen many brown colors, created many
gradients, and brown just doesn't seem right as a panel color or
window color. I think that we need something that is neutral, yet
looks beautiful and futuristic ( not as in robots and the Jetsons, but
more like a true futuristic look). We also want Ubuntu to look unique.
Therefore black as in Vista and grey as in OS X are taken. What is
left besides brown? What is Ubuntu? Nothing in the logo will work.
What about what we have? Its a much lighter grey than OS X - why not
make it lighter, say to an off white? There is a way to do it where it
does not feel cold, or is too bright. Just a thought.

Metacity-
So we want something that looks seamless right? I think this is
integral and a must to have a unified Gtk/Metacity... look up the
Blended Metacity on GnomeLook... it matches the color of your your GTK
theme. I think something like this is the way to go - yes it is more
Mac like, but it still gives the user control of what they want it to
look like.

I am working on some stuff- I will reply to this email thread with it later.


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