Re: [ubuntu-art] Extending the art direction on a per-program basis

2008-08-18 Thread Justin Dugger
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey everyone;
>
> This post easily would not be in regards to intrepid, possibly it's
> successor. It's in relation to extending the art-teams direction beyond
> theme creation, into program layouts and per-program optimization.
>
> One of the main things I'm noticing with Ubuntu is that we have a lot of
> -really- nice themes ready and poised. Dust is simply astounding, for
> example (please post the Dust theme files, I love them). However, if we ever
> plan to take on interface masters such as the designers over at Apple and
> Microsoft, we need to polish individual programs once we have established
> themes.
>
> A good example of an unpolished looking program is Asilerot Solitare. The
> game looks horrible, and is in no way related to any Ubuntu theme. To make
> asilerot solitare look good, all we need are some cards and a new
> background. Firefox is a good example of when a per-program theme is made.
> The Dust firefox theme adds amazing polish, and solidifies the theme.
>
> Other programs just have inconsistant layouts, if we managed to steal away
> some programmers they could just make sure programs have a more standardized
> layout.
>
> Overall, this would include a slow per-program layout update, and involve
> maintaining program changes post-update (or getting the devs to add it to
> the changes to their main builds). Programs that support themes (like
> firefox or Solitare) and programs frequently used (such as Nautilus or
> Evolution) would be the best to focus on.
>
> This post is mostly observational, but I personally beleive that it should
> be a priority - once we have a polished, updatable theme (such as OSX is
> doing with Aqua).
>
> -Ken Vermette

This is an interesting idea, but we need to collaborate with upstream
on this, in many cases. I'm not against it, but we do need a way to
not waste upstream's time.  Perhaps this should be tried on a few
packages that are receptive to the idea.  This means you'll have to
also consult them.

FYI, there are cases where Ubuntu might be able to do better without
patching upstream.  The Aisleriot program is a good example. Have you
seen the Ornamental cardbacks?  They're in hardy, but seem to have
disappeared from intrepid!

Justin Dugger

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[ubuntu-art] Extending the art direction on a per-program basis

2008-08-18 Thread JL
> Hey everyone;
>
> This post easily would not be in regards to intrepid, possibly it's
> successor. It's in relation to extending the art-teams direction beyond
> theme creation, into program layouts and per-program optimization.
>
> One of the main things I'm noticing with Ubuntu is that we have a lot of
> -really- nice themes ready and poised. Dust is simply astounding, for
> example (please post the Dust theme files, I love them). However, if we ever
> plan to take on interface masters such as the designers over at Apple and
> Microsoft, we need to polish individual programs once we have established
> themes.
>
> A good example of an unpolished looking program is Asilerot Solitare. The
> game looks horrible, and is in no way related to any Ubuntu theme. To make
> asilerot solitare look good, all we need are some cards and a new
> background. Firefox is a good example of when a per-program theme is made.
> The Dust firefox theme adds amazing polish, and solidifies the theme.
>
> Other programs just have inconsistant layouts, if we managed to steal away
> some programmers they could just make sure programs have a more standardized
> layout.
>
> Overall, this would include a slow per-program layout update, and involve
> maintaining program changes post-update (or getting the devs to add it to
> the changes to their main builds). Programs that support themes (like
> firefox or Solitare) and programs frequently used (such as Nautilus or
> Evolution) would be the best to focus on.
>
> This post is mostly observational, but I personally beleive that it should
> be a priority - once we have a polished, updatable theme (such as OSX is
> doing with Aqua).
>
> -Ken Vermette


Program Layout. Good point. So we need something more than a theme, we need
to make a theme for each program shipped with ubuntu... and maybe code a theme
manager for those programs that don't support theme. We need programmers and a 
good artist.
UI isn't just a .gtkrc and some images
Canonical should seriously put some money on this.






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[ubuntu-art] Extending the art direction on a per-program basis

2008-08-18 Thread Ken Vermette
Hey everyone;

This post easily would not be in regards to intrepid, possibly it's
successor. It's in relation to extending the art-teams direction beyond
theme creation, into program layouts and per-program optimization.

One of the main things I'm noticing with Ubuntu is that we have a lot of
-really- nice themes ready and poised. Dust is simply astounding, for
example (please post the Dust theme files, I love them). However, if we ever
plan to take on interface masters such as the designers over at Apple and
Microsoft, we need to polish individual programs once we have established
themes.

A good example of an unpolished looking program is Asilerot Solitare. The
game looks horrible, and is in no way related to any Ubuntu theme. To make
asilerot solitare look good, all we need are some cards and a new
background. Firefox is a good example of when a per-program theme is made.
The Dust firefox theme adds amazing polish, and solidifies the theme.

Other programs just have inconsistant layouts, if we managed to steal away
some programmers they could just make sure programs have a more standardized
layout.

Overall, this would include a slow per-program layout update, and involve
maintaining program changes post-update (or getting the devs to add it to
the changes to their main builds). Programs that support themes (like
firefox or Solitare) and programs frequently used (such as Nautilus or
Evolution) would be the best to focus on.

This post is mostly observational, but I personally beleive that it should
be a priority - once we have a polished, updatable theme (such as OSX is
doing with Aqua).

-Ken Vermette
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