Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Brian Fleeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For what it is worth, I have seen Android's simplified and traditional > Chinese (Mandarin) fonts, and they were beautiful/extremely clear (I am a > Mandarin linguist by profession). > > That's great! Ubuntu is all about having everyone being able to use it, and this might help push ubuntu onto shelves! -- Will Rogers - "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts." -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
For what it is worth, I have seen Android's simplified and traditional Chinese (Mandarin) fonts, and they were beautiful/extremely clear (I am a Mandarin linguist by profession). -Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 1:21:02 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:18:06 Ashton wrote: > So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned > earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support > Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, > maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font > expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the > importance/convenience. From what I have read it is very good. Alas, I am also not an internationalization expert so I will refer this discussion to those in the company who are. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Yes which ever has better international support - Liberation or Droid - but for sure use Droid Sans as the system font- for windows, menus, widget text, notifications, etc etc... On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Erm, I suppose an easy test would be to open up OpenOffice, and compare two > identical paragraphs using the two fonts to see if they break in the same > place...in regard to the metrics...durf. Like I said, no font expert. > > Ashton > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned >> earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support >> Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, >> maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font >> expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the >> importance/convenience. >> >> Ashton >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:04:37 Salane Ashcraft wrote: >>> > So I just looked at it again- we could possibly just use Droid fonts >>> for >>> > everything... >>> > >>> >>> Right, I have been using them on my desktop and they are pretty nice (and >>> very >>> condensed). I think that OOo and other such office apps should still use >>> the >>> liberation fonts as document fonts (if possible) due to their similarity >>> to >>> the MS fonts. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-art mailing list >>> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >>> >> >> > > > -- > Will Rogers - "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report > the facts." > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Erm, I suppose an easy test would be to open up OpenOffice, and compare two identical paragraphs using the two fonts to see if they break in the same place...in regard to the metrics...durf. Like I said, no font expert. Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned > earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support > Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, > maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font > expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the > importance/convenience. > > Ashton > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:04:37 Salane Ashcraft wrote: >> > So I just looked at it again- we could possibly just use Droid fonts for >> > everything... >> > >> >> Right, I have been using them on my desktop and they are pretty nice (and >> very >> condensed). I think that OOo and other such office apps should still use >> the >> liberation fonts as document fonts (if possible) due to their similarity >> to >> the MS fonts. >> >> Ken >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > > -- Will Rogers - "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts." -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:18:06 Ashton wrote: > So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned > earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support > Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, > maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font > expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the > importance/convenience. >From what I have read it is very good. Alas, I am also not an internationalization expert so I will refer this discussion to those in the company who are. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the importance/convenience. Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:04:37 Salane Ashcraft wrote: > > So I just looked at it again- we could possibly just use Droid fonts for > > everything... > > > > Right, I have been using them on my desktop and they are pretty nice (and > very > condensed). I think that OOo and other such office apps should still use > the > liberation fonts as document fonts (if possible) due to their similarity to > the MS fonts. > > Ken > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:04:37 Salane Ashcraft wrote: > So I just looked at it again- we could possibly just use Droid fonts for > everything... > Right, I have been using them on my desktop and they are pretty nice (and very condensed). I think that OOo and other such office apps should still use the liberation fonts as document fonts (if possible) due to their similarity to the MS fonts. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
So I just looked at it again- we could possibly just use Droid fonts for everything... On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Kenneth - I think if it will be open source, we should use it as > the system font, and then use Liberation for the sans, serif, and mono fonts > system wide. > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ah. Didn't look deep enough to see which came first. (droid or android) I >> assumed they were paying for it though. >> >> Ashton >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 02 July 2008 17:46:14 Ashton wrote: >>> > Droid is also being used in Google's Android project. >>> > >>> > >>> http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-asc >>> >ender >>> >>> Hehe, droid gets it's name from android and is not just being used in it, >>> but >>> is being paid for by google specifically for this purpose. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-art mailing list >>> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >>> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> >> > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Thanks Kenneth - I think if it will be open source, we should use it as the system font, and then use Liberation for the sans, serif, and mono fonts system wide. On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah. Didn't look deep enough to see which came first. (droid or android) I > assumed they were paying for it though. > > Ashton > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wednesday 02 July 2008 17:46:14 Ashton wrote: >> > Droid is also being used in Google's Android project. >> > >> > >> http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-asc >> >ender >> >> Hehe, droid gets it's name from android and is not just being used in it, >> but >> is being paid for by google specifically for this purpose. >> >> Ken >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Ah. Didn't look deep enough to see which came first. (droid or android) I assumed they were paying for it though. Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 02 July 2008 17:46:14 Ashton wrote: > > Droid is also being used in Google's Android project. > > > > > http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-asc > >ender > > Hehe, droid gets it's name from android and is not just being used in it, > but > is being paid for by google specifically for this purpose. > > Ken > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 17:33:09 Salane Ashcraft wrote: > Since you have an official canonical email, would you do this Ken? > > Salane > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I really really like Droid... I think we should email the corporation and > > ask them if they would consider open sourcing it- its worth a try! > > > > Salane They are going to open source it (under the apache license) but it is not clear yet when. From what I understand, as soon as android is ready for the public it'll be officialy licensed. I've already asked around inside canonical to see if anyone has a contact person through which we can find out at least the release date, if not a special permission to use it already. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 17:46:14 Ashton wrote: > Droid is also being used in Google's Android project. > > http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-asc >ender Hehe, droid gets it's name from android and is not just being used in it, but is being paid for by google specifically for this purpose. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Droid is also being used in Google's Android project. http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since you have an official canonical email, would you do this Ken? > > Salane > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I really really like Droid... I think we should email the corporation and >> ask them if they would consider open sourcing it- its worth a try! >> >> Salane >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 02 July 2008 14:43:21 Salane Ashcraft wrote: >>> > I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about >>> > licensing ok? >>> > Salane >>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Although it says it is under the apache license the download includes no >>> license so it is not free at all. The font itself appears to have a >>> license >>> in it: >>> >>> > License URL: http://ascendercorp.com/eula10.html >>> > >>> > License: This font software is the valuable property of Ascender >>> Corporation >>> and/or its suppliers and its use by you is covered under the terms of a >>> license agreement. This font software is licensed to you by Ascender >>> Corporation for your personal or business use on up to five personal >>> computers. You may not use this font software on more than five personal >>> computers unless you have obtained a license from Ascender to do so. >>> Except >>> as specifically permitted by the license, you may not copy this font >>> software. >>> > >>> > If you have any questions, please review the license agreement you >>> received >>> with this font software, and/or contact Ascender Corporation. >>> > >>> > Contact Information: >>> > Ascender Corporation >>> > Web http://www.ascendercorp.com/ >>> >>> So it is not free and we cannot use it (yet). >>> >>> Btw, droid is made by the same company that made the liberation fonts. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-art mailing list >>> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >>> >> >> > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- Bob Hope - "Middle age is when your age starts to show around your middle." -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Since you have an official canonical email, would you do this Ken? Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really really like Droid... I think we should email the corporation and > ask them if they would consider open sourcing it- its worth a try! > > Salane > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wednesday 02 July 2008 14:43:21 Salane Ashcraft wrote: >> > I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about >> > licensing ok? >> > Salane >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Although it says it is under the apache license the download includes no >> license so it is not free at all. The font itself appears to have a >> license >> in it: >> >> > License URL: http://ascendercorp.com/eula10.html >> > >> > License: This font software is the valuable property of Ascender >> Corporation >> and/or its suppliers and its use by you is covered under the terms of a >> license agreement. This font software is licensed to you by Ascender >> Corporation for your personal or business use on up to five personal >> computers. You may not use this font software on more than five personal >> computers unless you have obtained a license from Ascender to do so. >> Except >> as specifically permitted by the license, you may not copy this font >> software. >> > >> > If you have any questions, please review the license agreement you >> received >> with this font software, and/or contact Ascender Corporation. >> > >> > Contact Information: >> > Ascender Corporation >> > Web http://www.ascendercorp.com/ >> >> So it is not free and we cannot use it (yet). >> >> Btw, droid is made by the same company that made the liberation fonts. >> >> Ken >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
I really really like Droid... I think we should email the corporation and ask them if they would consider open sourcing it- its worth a try! Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 02 July 2008 14:43:21 Salane Ashcraft wrote: > > I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about > > licensing ok? > > Salane > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Although it says it is under the apache license the download includes no > license so it is not free at all. The font itself appears to have a license > in it: > > > License URL: http://ascendercorp.com/eula10.html > > > > License: This font software is the valuable property of Ascender > Corporation > and/or its suppliers and its use by you is covered under the terms of a > license agreement. This font software is licensed to you by Ascender > Corporation for your personal or business use on up to five personal > computers. You may not use this font software on more than five personal > computers unless you have obtained a license from Ascender to do so. Except > as specifically permitted by the license, you may not copy this font > software. > > > > If you have any questions, please review the license agreement you > received > with this font software, and/or contact Ascender Corporation. > > > > Contact Information: > > Ascender Corporation > > Web http://www.ascendercorp.com/ > > So it is not free and we cannot use it (yet). > > Btw, droid is made by the same company that made the liberation fonts. > > Ken > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 14:43:21 Salane Ashcraft wrote: > I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about > licensing ok? > Salane > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although it says it is under the apache license the download includes no license so it is not free at all. The font itself appears to have a license in it: > License URL: http://ascendercorp.com/eula10.html > > License: This font software is the valuable property of Ascender Corporation and/or its suppliers and its use by you is covered under the terms of a license agreement. This font software is licensed to you by Ascender Corporation for your personal or business use on up to five personal computers. You may not use this font software on more than five personal computers unless you have obtained a license from Ascender to do so. Except as specifically permitted by the license, you may not copy this font software. > > If you have any questions, please review the license agreement you received with this font software, and/or contact Ascender Corporation. > > Contact Information: > Ascender Corporation > Web http://www.ascendercorp.com/ So it is not free and we cannot use it (yet). Btw, droid is made by the same company that made the liberation fonts. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about licensing ok? Salane [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Kido Mariano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey. > > I've been looking around for some other fonts to try: > > *DejaVu Sans condensed, with slight or no hinting. IMO, just making the > default font condensed makes it look better. > > *Droid Sans, > > http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender--I > really like this one, but I'm not sure about licensing. > > *Aurulent Sans, http://www.geocities.com/hartke01/ --I'm not sure if > this can handle international characters. > > :D > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Hey. I've been looking around for some other fonts to try: *DejaVu Sans condensed, with slight or no hinting. IMO, just making the default font condensed makes it look better. *Droid Sans, http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender --I really like this one, but I'm not sure about licensing. *Aurulent Sans, http://www.geocities.com/hartke01/ --I'm not sure if this can handle international characters. :D -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
