Re: [ubuntu-art] Free Culture Showcase History - was Re: Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal

2010-12-14 Thread Vishnoo 
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 02:38 +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 15:46 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> > I'll focus on stuff that is achievable right now, but my opinions on
> > the original idea still stand I am afraid, I really do think that
> > there ought to be a separate pool for abstract and nonphoto default
> > wall proposals, and they do deserve a decent jury. but nevermind, that
> > is a discussion to be shelved for a later date.
> 
> Separate jury and separate pool was exactly how it was supposed to
> happen for Maverick. 
> It was planned, and submission were included on deviantart
> 
> but the judging just dint happen.
> 

The gallery for the free culture showcase :


Martin finally gave up trying to get those results:


So everyone, tickle Martin regarding that for Natty, he did make sure he
attended the Natty session.. ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Free Culture Showcase History - was Re: Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal

2010-12-14 Thread Vishnoo 
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 15:46 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> I'll focus on stuff that is achievable right now, but my opinions on
> the original idea still stand I am afraid, I really do think that
> there ought to be a separate pool for abstract and nonphoto default
> wall proposals, and they do deserve a decent jury. but nevermind, that
> is a discussion to be shelved for a later date.

Separate jury and separate pool was exactly how it was supposed to
happen for Maverick. 
It was planned, and submission were included on deviantart

but the judging just dint happen.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Free Culture Showcase History - was Re: Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal

2010-12-14 Thread Saleel Velankar 
> Right, you did switch the focus of the initial proposal(which aims at
> the default install). The initial proposal though is an unnecessary
> duplication of efforts, with no real probability of being accepted for a
> default.
> > "The Ubuntu community desires to ... To aide in meeting this objective
> > a selection of alternate wallpapers is shipped *by default* .."
> >
>
>
I'll focus on stuff that is achievable right now, but my opinions on the
original idea still stand I am afraid, I really do think that there ought to
be a separate pool for abstract and nonphoto default wall proposals, and
they do deserve a decent jury. but nevermind, that is a discussion to be
shelved for a later date.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Free Culture Showcase History - was Re: Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal

2010-12-14 Thread Vishnoo 
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 14:22 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote:
> 
> 
> I didn't think that this is such a radical proposal as all that. 

Right, you did switch the focus of the initial proposal(which aims at
the default install). The initial proposal though is an unnecessary
duplication of efforts, with no real probability of being accepted for a
default.
> "The Ubuntu community desires to ... To aide in meeting this objective
> a selection of alternate wallpapers is shipped *by default* .."
> 
I dint comment about your new idea. An additional wallpaper package in
the universe repo is not a major issue, a community package seems fine
and feasible. 

If we want to do it, we can get help from MOTU and upload it. Shouldnt
be a big hassle.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Free Culture Showcase History - was Re: Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal

2010-12-14 Thread Saleel Velankar 
IIRC this years FCS will be focused on an overarching theme of light(?) and
ubuntu specific stuff will be turned down. Here is the thing, my proposal
for new non photo pool covers stuff that was clearly made for Ubuntu, yet
not made because of a request, or a spec.  These walls are being made
already by enthusiastic members of the larger Ubuntu community, and some are
very good and yet they don't seem to have a home. Instead I have to trawl DA
for a half an hour and sift through.

Giving it a community package allows us :
*to get in greater contact with those artists, and hopefully get them
onboard for any new spec'd projects.
*to engage the wider community.
*bring greater amounts of eyeballs on made for ubu walls
*bring greater eyeballs to our own spec'd projects
*bring convenience to people that are looking for these types of walls
*help bring awareness and guidance to using the new branding guidelines

I didn't think that this is such a radical proposal as all that. It is
simply addressing a need that seems to be present within Ubuntu users for
these walls. I certainly did not mean to cause any confusion or disruption,
and do profusely apologize if it did occur.

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[ubuntu-art] Free Culture Showcase History - was Re: Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal

2010-12-14 Thread Vishnoo 
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 09:48 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote:
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 19:52 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:

> Exactly for this reason the submissions should be in the pool,
> where the
> jury will see them in any case.




> Not to mince my words here, but the jury is a bunch of philandering
> photographers, and not likely to select any illustration wallpapers.



OK. Everyone kindly calm down.
It is very, very highly disturbing that one person's over-eagerness and
inability to even try to listen to what others are saying, ends up being
the cause of so much confusion and disruption in a team.

As the *only* /community/ member who attended, in-person, /both/ the
free culture showcase sessions(during UDS-M and UDS-N), lead by the
design team, let me try to clear a few things up.

Until Lucid, Free culture showcase was run by the Community-Team. (not
Canonical design team or Ubuntu Artwork team). Till Lucid, it was only
about the content in the Examples folder. If anyone remembers those,
you'd realize it had nothing to do with wallpapers

Noting the success of the wallpaper collection contest the Design team
had done, Community team decided to hand-over this Free Culture task to
the Design team.

So for maverick, the Free Culture Showcase was open for several other
tasks, including illustrative wallpapers to be submitted on
*deviantart* , as listed here :


The judges for the illustrative wallpapers were /not/ meant to be the
same from the flickr photo pool. Each section,
illustrative/photographic/sound/video , was to have relevant judges.

However, members from the Design team who were incharge of certain tasks
related to illustrative wallpapers switched jobs from Canonical and
eventually their tasks fell in no-man's land. 

Do try to remember that the illustrative wallpaper was first tried for
*only* in the Maverick cycle and it's absence in Maverick is not because
of the judges from flickr not choosing the illustrations.
It was only due to tasks being lost in the process.

For Natty again, we have the same Free Culture task running:
<>
We did discuss who should be the judges and Do note, there is a task for
Ivanka " Organise judging by professionals "
If there is a confusion regarding the judges, someone just start a new
thread regarding that and hopefully we'd have Ivanka replying there.

If anyone has any questions just ask them. 
Kindly do not speculate and confuse everyone!

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