Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-21 Thread John Baer 
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Martin Owens  wrote:

> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 11:49 -0500, John Baer wrote:
> > Sadly and with out a doubt folks will walk away with a bitter taste in
> > their
> > mouth and these folks are respected contributors to the greater
> > artwork
> > community.
>
> John,
>
> If you are checking your email, then you can't have missed the email I
> sent to you and to the list over your desire to learn what it is you
> need to do to stop hurting this team.
>
> Please respond to it and provide some positive correction for your
> behavior in some form of humility.
>
> Regards, Martin
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Martin / All,

I grow weary of this and my mail box is filled.

I will post a message to the group later today advising them of the change.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-21 Thread Martin Owens 
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 11:49 -0500, John Baer wrote:
> Sadly and with out a doubt folks will walk away with a bitter taste in
> their
> mouth and these folks are respected contributors to the greater
> artwork
> community. 

John,

If you are checking your email, then you can't have missed the email I
sent to you and to the list over your desire to learn what it is you
need to do to stop hurting this team.

Please respond to it and provide some positive correction for your
behavior in some form of humility.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-21 Thread Leandro Gómez 
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:49 AM, John Baer  wrote:

>
>
> 2011/2/21 Leandro Gómez 
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:21 AM, John Baer  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Saleel Velankar wrote:
>>>
 John,

 Respectfully I add that once again the overwhelming conversation has
 been about organizing art, instead of art. It is pointless, boring, and
 lately highly divisive. We have already lost a team member that I highly
 respected. Arguing over flickr groups accomplishes nothing. absolutely
 nothing. Just PM the artists that have contributing to this other group. I
 have still not seen *any* valid argument from you as to why that group was
 still active after the illustration announcement; and why these PMs weren't
 already sent after vish's email.

 you know what, I typed all that but my original feeling was correct.
 Until this sort of nonsense is tuned down in this group, I don't think I
 will be actively contributing.

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>>> Saleel,
>>>
>>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>> I agree with you but from a different point of view. My contributions to
>>> this group did not happen out of thin air. I invested countless hours in my
>>> best attempts to add value to Ubuntu and the community and I like you grow
>>> tired of the "rants" and the "flames". More so I have personally asked folks
>>> to join and share their talents and to close their eyes and ears to the
>>> behavior of late.
>>>
>>> There are 38 submissions to the "Ubuntu Wallpapers - General
>>> Illustrations" group and some of these illustrations have thousands of
>>> views. I can certainly ask them to resubmit to the other group but I can not
>>> hide the perception the reason seems petty.
>>>
>>>
>> Can we all agree on:
>>
>> * PM the artists asking them to submit their artwork to the official
>> ubuntu-artwork group
>> * Close the uawt-10-0 group
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>> Sadly I know there will come a time when planning will begin on Natty +1
>>> and I anticipate the question will be asked why is it so difficult to get
>>> folks to participate.
>>>
>>> The lesson learned is here.
>>>
>>> With respect to your talent and your contributions.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
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> I believe the best I can do is to post a message advising them of the
> change. I can not close the group as long as there are submissions and there
> are links.
>
>
Give a two weeks notice and then proceed to close the group. Keeping the
group open is doing more harm than good.

Please, John, do it for the team so we can move on to more productive
things.

Thanks,


> This is the approach I took with the Edubuntu group but as you can see
> submissions continued.
>
> Sadly and with out a doubt folks will walk away with a bitter taste in
> their mouth and these folks are respected contributors to the greater
> artwork community.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John
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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-21 Thread John Baer 
2011/2/21 Leandro Gómez 

> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:21 AM, John Baer  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Saleel Velankar wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Respectfully I add that once again the overwhelming conversation has been
>>> about organizing art, instead of art. It is pointless, boring, and lately
>>> highly divisive. We have already lost a team member that I highly respected.
>>> Arguing over flickr groups accomplishes nothing. absolutely nothing. Just PM
>>> the artists that have contributing to this other group. I have still not
>>> seen *any* valid argument from you as to why that group was still active
>>> after the illustration announcement; and why these PMs weren't already sent
>>> after vish's email.
>>>
>>> you know what, I typed all that but my original feeling was correct.
>>> Until this sort of nonsense is tuned down in this group, I don't think I
>>> will be actively contributing.
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>> Saleel,
>>
>>
> John,
>
>
>> I agree with you but from a different point of view. My contributions to
>> this group did not happen out of thin air. I invested countless hours in my
>> best attempts to add value to Ubuntu and the community and I like you grow
>> tired of the "rants" and the "flames". More so I have personally asked folks
>> to join and share their talents and to close their eyes and ears to the
>> behavior of late.
>>
>> There are 38 submissions to the "Ubuntu Wallpapers - General
>> Illustrations" group and some of these illustrations have thousands of
>> views. I can certainly ask them to resubmit to the other group but I can not
>> hide the perception the reason seems petty.
>>
>>
> Can we all agree on:
>
> * PM the artists asking them to submit their artwork to the official
> ubuntu-artwork group
> * Close the uawt-10-0 group
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>> Sadly I know there will come a time when planning will begin on Natty +1
>> and I anticipate the question will be asked why is it so difficult to get
>> folks to participate.
>>
>> The lesson learned is here.
>>
>> With respect to your talent and your contributions.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> John
>>
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I believe the best I can do is to post a message advising them of the
change. I can not close the group as long as there are submissions and there
are links.

This is the approach I took with the Edubuntu group but as you can see
submissions continued.

Sadly and with out a doubt folks will walk away with a bitter taste in their
mouth and these folks are respected contributors to the greater artwork
community.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-21 Thread Leandro Gómez 
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:21 AM, John Baer  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Saleel Velankar wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Respectfully I add that once again the overwhelming conversation has been
>> about organizing art, instead of art. It is pointless, boring, and lately
>> highly divisive. We have already lost a team member that I highly respected.
>> Arguing over flickr groups accomplishes nothing. absolutely nothing. Just PM
>> the artists that have contributing to this other group. I have still not
>> seen *any* valid argument from you as to why that group was still active
>> after the illustration announcement; and why these PMs weren't already sent
>> after vish's email.
>>
>> you know what, I typed all that but my original feeling was correct. Until
>> this sort of nonsense is tuned down in this group, I don't think I will be
>> actively contributing.
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
>>
>>
> Saleel,
>
>
John,


> I agree with you but from a different point of view. My contributions to
> this group did not happen out of thin air. I invested countless hours in my
> best attempts to add value to Ubuntu and the community and I like you grow
> tired of the "rants" and the "flames". More so I have personally asked folks
> to join and share their talents and to close their eyes and ears to the
> behavior of late.
>
> There are 38 submissions to the "Ubuntu Wallpapers - General Illustrations"
> group and some of these illustrations have thousands of views. I can
> certainly ask them to resubmit to the other group but I can not hide the
> perception the reason seems petty.
>
>
Can we all agree on:

* PM the artists asking them to submit their artwork to the official
ubuntu-artwork group
* Close the uawt-10-0 group

Cheers,


> Sadly I know there will come a time when planning will begin on Natty +1
> and I anticipate the question will be asked why is it so difficult to get
> folks to participate.
>
> The lesson learned is here.
>
> With respect to your talent and your contributions.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-21 Thread John Baer 
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Saleel Velankar wrote:

> John,
>
> Respectfully I add that once again the overwhelming conversation has been
> about organizing art, instead of art. It is pointless, boring, and lately
> highly divisive. We have already lost a team member that I highly respected.
> Arguing over flickr groups accomplishes nothing. absolutely nothing. Just PM
> the artists that have contributing to this other group. I have still not
> seen *any* valid argument from you as to why that group was still active
> after the illustration announcement; and why these PMs weren't already sent
> after vish's email.
>
> you know what, I typed all that but my original feeling was correct. Until
> this sort of nonsense is tuned down in this group, I don't think I will be
> actively contributing.
>
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>
>
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>
Saleel,

I agree with you but from a different point of view. My contributions to
this group did not happen out of thin air. I invested countless hours in my
best attempts to add value to Ubuntu and the community and I like you grow
tired of the "rants" and the "flames". More so I have personally asked folks
to join and share their talents and to close their eyes and ears to the
behavior of late.

There are 38 submissions to the "Ubuntu Wallpapers - General Illustrations"
group and some of these illustrations have thousands of views. I can
certainly ask them to resubmit to the other group but I can not hide the
perception the reason seems petty.

Sadly I know there will come a time when planning will begin on Natty +1 and
I anticipate the question will be asked why is it so difficult to get folks
to participate.

The lesson learned is here.

With respect to your talent and your contributions.

Kind regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-21 Thread Saleel Velankar 
John,

Respectfully I add that once again the overwhelming conversation has been
about organizing art, instead of art. It is pointless, boring, and lately
highly divisive. We have already lost a team member that I highly respected.
Arguing over flickr groups accomplishes nothing. absolutely nothing. Just PM
the artists that have contributing to this other group. I have still not
seen *any* valid argument from you as to why that group was still active
after the illustration announcement; and why these PMs weren't already sent
after vish's email.

you know what, I typed all that but my original feeling was correct. Until
this sort of nonsense is tuned down in this group, I don't think I will be
actively contributing.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-21 Thread John Baer 
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Iain Farrell wrote:

>  Hey everyone
>
> I just wanted to reiterate what Vish is saying here about keeping the non
> photo submissions in the same group as the photo ones. I'll copy in here
> what I've posted on the Flickr group page.
>
> Hi everyone
>
> There seems to be some confusion around submissions for Natty. To reiterate
> what I wrote above and in the blog post update, we will be looking at all
> wallpaper submissions in _this_ group (
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/). If you've submitted to
> another group we won't see them as part of the judging process.
>
> We have stated that at least three wallpapers will be non photographic but
> the wallpapers should be considered as a set and I trust that the judges
> will be able to see the difference between a photo and an illustration and
> will select wallpaper submissions on their merit as a suitable background
> rather than whether they're rendered or a photograph.
>
> Having all the submissions in one group makes it much easier for the
> judges. Apologies to anyone who's confused about this process.
>
> The submissions to the other group look great and by all means leave your
> entries there too but if you'd like them to be considered as part of Natty
> then we'd love to have you submit them here too.
>
> If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.
>
> Iain
>
> I've been out of the office for the last few days and looks like it's been
> busy on the list so if any of this is unclear or causes undue concern please
> do find me on IRC or keep the thread going.
>
> Submissions are looking great and I think we have a strong set coming
> together. Thanks again everyone for all your hard work.
>
> Iain
>
> On 18/02/11 05:24, Vishnoo wrote:
>
> Hi,
> In case folks have not seen Thorsten's post about 
> this:
>  
> 
>
>
> The submissions for the natty wallpaper illustration *should* be in the
> Ubuntu Artwork Group :   
> 
> and not anywhere else.
>
> One person is spreading false information and trying to propagate his
> own private groups. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by such false propaganda.
>
> If you have been mislead, *kindly* re-submit to the right group, Ubuntu
> artwork group :   
>  and tag
> the submission as "NattyWallpaper".
> I've asked Iain about this, and he mentioned that the judges will be
> looking at the Official Ubuntu artwork group and not anywhere else.
>
> So, if you have not submitted at the right place, the judges will not be
> looking at your submissions.
>
> Quoting from Iain's post 
> on:
>  
> 
> "As before with the photographic entries simply tag your image
> NattyWallpaper so we can easily find it when judging time comes."
>
> This means, submit to the 'Ubuntu artwork' group and tag it
> "NattyWallpaper".
>
>
>
>
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Iain,

This is certainly your call but what is the message you sending to the
artist who offered to share their talent with the Ubuntu community? Many for
the first time. The flickr group in question was created simply because the
original site simply did not work.

I fail to understand the harm in saying post to either group and regroup for
Natty +1. I certainly don't see this as a burden.

If this is your final decision I will alert folks as requested.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-21 Thread Iain Farrell 

Hey everyone

I just wanted to reiterate what Vish is saying here about keeping the 
non photo submissions in the same group as the photo ones. I'll copy in 
here what I've posted on the Flickr group page.


Hi everyone

There seems to be some confusion around submissions for Natty. To 
reiterate what I wrote above and in the blog post update, we will be 
looking at all wallpaper submissions in _this_ group 
(http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/). If you've submitted to 
another group we won't see them as part of the judging process.


We have stated that at least three wallpapers will be non photographic 
but the wallpapers should be considered as a set and I trust that the 
judges will be able to see the difference between a photo and an 
illustration and will select wallpaper submissions on their merit as a 
suitable background rather than whether they're rendered or a photograph.


Having all the submissions in one group makes it much easier for the 
judges. Apologies to anyone who's confused about this process.


The submissions to the other group look great and by all means leave 
your entries there too but if you'd like them to be considered as part 
of Natty then we'd love to have you submit them here too.


If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Iain

I've been out of the office for the last few days and looks like it's 
been busy on the list so if any of this is unclear or causes undue 
concern please do find me on IRC or keep the thread going.


Submissions are looking great and I think we have a strong set coming 
together. Thanks again everyone for all your hard work.


Iain

On 18/02/11 05:24, Vishnoo wrote:

Hi,
In case folks have not seen Thorsten's post about this:



The submissions for the natty wallpaper illustration *should* be in the
Ubuntu Artwork Group :
and not anywhere else.

One person is spreading false information and trying to propagate his
own private groups. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by such false propaganda.

If you have been mislead, *kindly* re-submit to the right group, Ubuntu
artwork group :  and tag
the submission as "NattyWallpaper".
I've asked Iain about this, and he mentioned that the judges will be
looking at the Official Ubuntu artwork group and not anywhere else.

So, if you have not submitted at the right place, the judges will not be
looking at your submissions.

Quoting from Iain's post on:

"As before with the photographic entries simply tag your image
NattyWallpaper so we can easily find it when judging time comes."

This means, submit to the 'Ubuntu artwork' group and tag it
"NattyWallpaper".





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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-18 Thread Сергей 
AFAIR, his group was created before the announcement of using art-owl, and
he tested art-owl and knows its shortcomings perfectly. He knew that art-owl
won't work. But the lack of coordination screwed a very good initiative
again.
You know, John is not the only person on this list who acts first and
discusses later. And I think we ALL should be more collaborative.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-18 Thread Vishnoo 
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:55 +0300, Сергей wrote:
> On the other hand, a separate group for artwork makes much more sense
> than mixing it with photography. Participators can look for
> inspiration and judges won't have to separate artwork from photos.

Yep, thats why submissions were in a separate place earlier, but the
site had technical issues while submitting.
So instead of making it confusing about which group to submit within the
same site, Iain just had one group and he has a process already in place
how to ensure that the judging takes into account these 3 wallpapers.

Now we have people submitting illustrations in 2 groups, the official
group and some misled people submitting in his personal-group. 
Complicating everything for folks just interested in contributing their
artwork!

I find it hard to believe that he has done this unintentionally.
Even if he was not sure where the illustrations were supposed to be
submitted, how difficult is it for one to just ask the persons concerned
for some clarification?
Random people submitting artwork commented on the blog that submitting
was broken on the art-owl site and quickly the site was changed to
flickr. How difficult is it for someone to just ask for clarification?

After he blogged about his group recently, I noticed that he has
commented in several places propagating his group even *before* the
switch to flickr was done.
See his comment here:

His comment was prior to Iain's comment about the update to submissions.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-18 Thread coz DS 
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:50 AM, John Baer  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Vishnoo  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> In case folks have not seen Thorsten's post about this:
>> <
>> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/watch-out-regarding-natty-wallpaper-submissions/
>> >
>>
>>
>> The submissions for the natty wallpaper illustration *should* be in the
>> Ubuntu Artwork Group :  
>> and not anywhere else.
>>
>> One person is spreading false information and trying to propagate his
>> own private groups. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by such false propaganda.
>>
>> If you have been mislead, *kindly* re-submit to the right group, Ubuntu
>> artwork group :   and tag
>> the submission as "NattyWallpaper".
>> I've asked Iain about this, and he mentioned that the judges will be
>> looking at the Official Ubuntu artwork group and not anywhere else.
>>
>> So, if you have not submitted at the right place, the judges will not be
>> looking at your submissions.
>>
>> Quoting from Iain's post on:
>> <
>> http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/the-natty-wallpaper-contest-an-important-update/
>> >
>> "As before with the photographic entries simply tag your image
>> NattyWallpaper so we can easily find it when judging time comes."
>>
>> This means, submit to the 'Ubuntu artwork' group and tag it
>> "NattyWallpaper".
>>
>>
>>
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>> Vish
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> Vish,
>
> I hesitate to respond to this post as it will likely turn into a "*rant" or
> a "flame" but the bottom line is what is the harm? I invited artist to
> support Ubuntu and the greater community by sharing their talent and I set
> up an environment which would protect their contributions from the harsh
> criticism often found on this list.
>
> This has been open, respectful of other individual efforts, and as of today
> I have not received any requests from the design team to stop.
>
> Although you feel empowered to make statements and wiki changes with the
> implied authority of the Design Team I have asked if you have this authority
> and have not received confirmation this is true. My assumption is you share
> the same role as the rest of us - Artwork Team member.
>
> So the real question becomes how do you want to contribute to the Ubuntu
> community and what is stopping you?
>
> I don't see any barriers.
>
> Kind regards,
>
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>
 John,
   My name is  "coz"
I have been with ubuntu since its dawning some years ago.
I joined the community art team just about the same time.
 I completely understand the desire to contribute to the project overall.
I am not clear on why the "fork"  links for the submissions!
There is only one place for artwork to be chosen and judged and no one is
going to get that opportunity via your links.
Doesn't this seem "counter productive"  to those who truly wish to have the
opportunity to have their work judged for inclusion into Ubuntu?
   The fact is that  the "design team" is part of canonical.. a
corporation.. they have final say.. as much as I would like this all to be
"community" oriented.. it is in fact a corporate decision... the "community
art group"  "us"  are never going to be seen as the final say in the artwork
for ubuntu.. that has been made clear years ago.. the big reasons are,
quality work ,, quality artists,, and organization.. all of which are
lacking.
 I feel that your move for mis-guiding artists to submit work to a place
that NONE of the judges will see.. is part of that disorganization, even if
it were just "bad timing"  on your part.
I have no issues with vish...or thorwill...or doctorno..or any of the people
now involved in the community art group.
I find all of them friendly,,, capable, and informative..even fun to talk
with :)
   I find the most important thing to accomplish a cohesive influential
group is  "communication"
Each member's skills will eventually float to the surface, allowing for each
to contribute fully to the "whole" picture,, rather than individuals trying
to counter or revise the goals.
  I suppose I am asking for your vision of your intent!
Why the links during this judging period?
What is your goal for introducing, what is seen as,  an apparent  disruption
in the process?
I would appreciate a discussion about these issues with you.
As I mentioned,, I am an old member.. I have seen a few important people
come and go,, and at this point another is leaving because of what may turn
out to be "mis-communication"..
I am sure you feel that is is intolerable as well.

coz
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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-18 Thread Сергей 
On the other hand, a separate group for artwork makes much more sense than
mixing it with photography. Participators can look for inspiration and
judges won't have to separate artwork from photos. John, I can't deny that I
like using a separate group for artwork. But why didn't you discuss this
with Iain Farrell?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-18 Thread Martin Owens 
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 08:50 -0500, John Baer wrote:
> My assumption is you share
> the same role as the rest of us - Artwork Team member. 

Nah, Vish is supreme leader of all Artdom, we elected him last night in
a rigged ballet.

Seriously John, that high-horse of yours is looking rickety. If you want
to have your own group of artists, that's fine. But don't pretend that
art submitted in one unofficial-baer-place is tantamount to submitting
to a blessed-by-the-community-place.

You remember the community right? It's that collective of people that
talk about issues, come to a consensus and then collectively push for
the consensus forward, even if it ended up being different to what any
one personal member thought.

So far you've done all you can to poison this group's ability to make
consensus. This is not how communities are run and I ask you again to
step down from the group.

Martin,


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Re: [ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-18 Thread John Baer 
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Vishnoo  wrote:

> Hi,
> In case folks have not seen Thorsten's post about this:
> <
> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/watch-out-regarding-natty-wallpaper-submissions/
> >
>
>
> The submissions for the natty wallpaper illustration *should* be in the
> Ubuntu Artwork Group :  
> and not anywhere else.
>
> One person is spreading false information and trying to propagate his
> own private groups. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by such false propaganda.
>
> If you have been mislead, *kindly* re-submit to the right group, Ubuntu
> artwork group :   and tag
> the submission as "NattyWallpaper".
> I've asked Iain about this, and he mentioned that the judges will be
> looking at the Official Ubuntu artwork group and not anywhere else.
>
> So, if you have not submitted at the right place, the judges will not be
> looking at your submissions.
>
> Quoting from Iain's post on:
> <
> http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/the-natty-wallpaper-contest-an-important-update/
> >
> "As before with the photographic entries simply tag your image
> NattyWallpaper so we can easily find it when judging time comes."
>
> This means, submit to the 'Ubuntu artwork' group and tag it
> "NattyWallpaper".
>
>
>
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> Vish
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Vish,

I hesitate to respond to this post as it will likely turn into a "*rant" or
a "flame" but the bottom line is what is the harm? I invited artist to
support Ubuntu and the greater community by sharing their talent and I set
up an environment which would protect their contributions from the harsh
criticism often found on this list.

This has been open, respectful of other individual efforts, and as of today
I have not received any requests from the design team to stop.

Although you feel empowered to make statements and wiki changes with the
implied authority of the Design Team I have asked if you have this authority
and have not received confirmation this is true. My assumption is you share
the same role as the rest of us - Artwork Team member.

So the real question becomes how do you want to contribute to the Ubuntu
community and what is stopping you?

I don't see any barriers.

Kind regards,

John
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[ubuntu-art] IMPORTANT : Natty illustration wallpaper submissions group

2011-02-17 Thread Vishnoo 
Hi,
In case folks have not seen Thorsten's post about this:



The submissions for the natty wallpaper illustration *should* be in the
Ubuntu Artwork Group :  
and not anywhere else.

One person is spreading false information and trying to propagate his
own private groups. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by such false propaganda. 

If you have been mislead, *kindly* re-submit to the right group, Ubuntu
artwork group :   and tag
the submission as "NattyWallpaper".
I've asked Iain about this, and he mentioned that the judges will be
looking at the Official Ubuntu artwork group and not anywhere else.

So, if you have not submitted at the right place, the judges will not be
looking at your submissions.

Quoting from Iain's post on:

"As before with the photographic entries simply tag your image
NattyWallpaper so we can easily find it when judging time comes."

This means, submit to the 'Ubuntu artwork' group and tag it
"NattyWallpaper".



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