Re: [ubuntu-art] Liberation Fonts
On Monday 30 June 2008 23:21:55 Ashton wrote: I've loaded up Segoe and other fonts in the past. They look great, of course, but there are some areas where I try to stick with open, and um, tolerable solutions...When I first subbed Lib sans for Sans, I felt it was an improvement. I realize everyone is going to prefer one over another, though, and have no problem setting it up myself, until something better comes along. I believe Linux Mint uses Lib Sans as default sys font...or did at one point. Haven't checked Mint out in a long time. In addition to the look of the font it is also important that the font have as many characters as possible so that people who speak other languages also get all that goodness...let's not forget that aspect. Ken A bit hypocritical since I use plenty of other non-free solutions for various things...but yeah, who knows why we do the tings we do? Máirín Duffy, art dev at Fedora, has a study of fonts and licensing that someone might find interesting:http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/fonts/ I don't know what Fedora Sulphur is using as default sys font, though. Is it Liberation? Ashton On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will suggest using specifically any Humanist Sans Serif font for the system theme. I will be on the look out for an open source font that follows this description. Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Frutiger.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Myriadsp.svg -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Liberation Fonts
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK so I vote to use the Liberation fonts at least no matter what theme, and improve the icons significantly no matter what theme. Also, I think we should maybe have some sort of voting system and a better way to get the opinions of the Ubuntu Community in general. Who votes for Liberation fonts? As I understand it, Liberation was not meant to be the best font in the world and is not our best choice. Liberation was meant as a free option for people who want the best interoperability with MS Office users. That means with Liberation, if you receive an office document it's lines will wrap in the same places for you as it did for the author. This is a good thing the liberation font team has done but our themes are not Word documents and therefore don't need to use Liberation. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Liberation Fonts
Have you tried Liberation Sans? I think it's a great choice. As I mentioned earlier, Firefox in particular, when changed from within preferences, looks much more crisp and clean. I don't have much experience with the other Liberation fonts, though. Ashton On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK so I vote to use the Liberation fonts at least no matter what theme, and improve the icons significantly no matter what theme. Also, I think we should maybe have some sort of voting system and a better way to get the opinions of the Ubuntu Community in general. Who votes for Liberation fonts? As I understand it, Liberation was not meant to be the best font in the world and is not our best choice. Liberation was meant as a free option for people who want the best interoperability with MS Office users. That means with Liberation, if you receive an office document it's lines will wrap in the same places for you as it did for the author. This is a good thing the liberation font team has done but our themes are not Word documents and therefore don't need to use Liberation. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Dan Quayle - It's time for the human race to enter the solar system. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Liberation Fonts
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried Liberation Sans? I think it's a great choice. As I mentioned earlier, Firefox in particular, when changed from within preferences, looks much more crisp and clean. I don't have much experience with the other Liberation fonts, though. Unfortunately I don't think it's a great choice as a system default. To my mind (and it's a simplification), Bitstream Vera Sans (a.k.a. Sans) = Tahoma, while Liberation Sans = Arial. The Liberation font are excellently suited for Word documents, but the Sans variety in particular is not suited as a font for applications. This is especially noticeable if you use Slight hinting (which I believe may become the default hinting method for Intrepid). Purely IMHO, of course. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Liberation Fonts
I just looked at them... not so good for a system font. Any suggestions then? I think something open source that looks like Segoe UI or Myriad Pro would be great... On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Conn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried Liberation Sans? I think it's a great choice. As I mentioned earlier, Firefox in particular, when changed from within preferences, looks much more crisp and clean. I don't have much experience with the other Liberation fonts, though. Unfortunately I don't think it's a great choice as a system default. To my mind (and it's a simplification), Bitstream Vera Sans (a.k.a. Sans) = Tahoma, while Liberation Sans = Arial. The Liberation font are excellently suited for Word documents, but the Sans variety in particular is not suited as a font for applications. This is especially noticeable if you use Slight hinting (which I believe may become the default hinting method for Intrepid). Purely IMHO, of course. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Liberation Fonts
I just looked at them... HA! Maybe look at them first, then call the vote next time, eh? O_o I don't understand this system fonts objection. I think I need more details other than it is not a system font from people in order to understand. Also, I don't know what my settings are, but changing to DejaVu gives me awful results. Maybe my eyes are screwy. I do use full hinting...I switch from a 14 laptop to a 22 lcd at my home...Lib looks good on either...I'm completely open to alternatives, but not seeing any others being proposed. If there is an OSS Segoe (cough...Frutiger) or Myriad Pro choice out there, then sure, why the heck not? I think one will have to get to work on that though. Ashton On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just looked at them... not so good for a system font. Any suggestions then? I think something open source that looks like Segoe UI or Myriad Pro would be great... On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Conn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried Liberation Sans? I think it's a great choice. As I mentioned earlier, Firefox in particular, when changed from within preferences, looks much more crisp and clean. I don't have much experience with the other Liberation fonts, though. Unfortunately I don't think it's a great choice as a system default. To my mind (and it's a simplification), Bitstream Vera Sans (a.k.a. Sans) = Tahoma, while Liberation Sans = Arial. The Liberation font are excellently suited for Word documents, but the Sans variety in particular is not suited as a font for applications. This is especially noticeable if you use Slight hinting (which I believe may become the default hinting method for Intrepid). Purely IMHO, of course. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Dan Quayle - It's time for the human race to enter the solar system. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Liberation Fonts
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand this system fonts objection. I think I need more details other than it is not a system font from people in order to understand. Also, I don't know what my settings are, but changing to DejaVu gives me awful results. Maybe my eyes are screwy. I do use full hinting...I switch from a 14 laptop to a 22 lcd at my home...Lib looks good on either...I'm completely open to alternatives, but not seeing any others being proposed. As many would say on this list, art is too subjective to vote by committee, and to compound this problem, many people have no formal training with regards to art, interface design, etc. On the topic of fonts, it's even more difficult to get a valid opinion due to a) the unavoidable technical factors that influence font preferences (the type of screen you own and its native subpixel order, the resolution you choose, whether you have a preference for the equivalent of ClearType smoothing or if you prefer sharp text, if you have astygmatism, nearsightedness or farsightedness), and b) I would imagine not many people on this list are typography experts. Let me clarify my earlier statements: I actually like the Liberation fonts and they would be welcome on my system (especially for use in OpenOffice.org, and I like the Liberation Mono font for use in terminals), but I would *not* like to see the generic Sans (Bitstream Vera Sans) font replaced by Liberation Sans. From my perspective as a user, I find Sans more pleasant to use as an application font. I'm afraid I can't explain my rationale very well, just as I can't explain why I much prefer the application font to be Tahoma over Arial in Windows... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Liberation Fonts
I've loaded up Segoe and other fonts in the past. They look great, of course, but there are some areas where I try to stick with open, and um, tolerable solutions...When I first subbed Lib sans for Sans, I felt it was an improvement. I realize everyone is going to prefer one over another, though, and have no problem setting it up myself, until something better comes along. I believe Linux Mint uses Lib Sans as default sys font...or did at one point. Haven't checked Mint out in a long time. A bit hypocritical since I use plenty of other non-free solutions for various things...but yeah, who knows why we do the tings we do? Máirín Duffy, art dev at Fedora, has a study of fonts and licensing that someone might find interesting:http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/fonts/ I don't know what Fedora Sulphur is using as default sys font, though. Is it Liberation? Ashton On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will suggest using specifically any Humanist Sans Serif font for the system theme. I will be on the look out for an open source font that follows this description. Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Frutiger.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Myriadsp.svg -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Will Rogers - I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
