Re: [ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec

[Thorsten Wilms]

> De: Julien Lavergne 
> À: John Baer 
> Cc: mariobehl...@googlemail.com, 神癒礁湖 · Rafael Laguna
> 
> Sujet: Re: Lubuntu Spec
> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:05:00 +0100

> About the pallet, do you check with Canonical if others colors are
> acceptable for a derivated of Ubuntu ? Last time we check, the pallet
> was limited, and we had to stay with this one (which IMO, is nice).

Aside of not using the orange and aubergine in your logo or other
prominent places, and avoiding a theme too similar to Ambiance/Radiance,
I see absolutely not reason to assume limitations from tat side.


> You need also to consider that, if people propose a very different color
> for the wallpaper, we will not accept it, unless they propose an entire
> theme which match this submission. So, no need to spend time in
> submissions we will reject for sure.

This statement is very disappointing.

It implies wallpaper submissions would always be monochromatic.

A choice of color is not a good starting point for your visual identity.
Even less so if it's very close to what several other offerings in your
realm are using.

The main goal of your wallpaper and theme should be to further, or to at
least be in line with, the goals and success of your project. This is
graphic design, it's communication, it's your identity. No matter if you
are conscious about it or not, especially the wallpaper has a message to
tell. If you don't take control of it, this message will be: "we don't
care" or "we have no clue" or "we are insecure and chose something safe
and boring".

So what is the intended message of the wallpaper (and theme)? What do
you want to say about Lubuntu? What is the emotion you want to provoke
in your audience?
The palette is a result, not a start.


> About the spec :
> - Introduction
> We have specific targets for our users, see our wiki page : 
> "Lubuntu is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec
> hardware. Such users may not know how to use command line tools, and in
> most cases they just don't have enough resources for all the bells and
> whistles of the "full-featured" mainstream distributions."

Just like Xubuntu. What sets you apart?


> - Inspiration:
> Well, our strategy for artwork is more "practical" :
>  * We want a nice artwork ...
>  * ... with no big requirement
>  * ... which render good and fast

That's not practical, that is not taking control, it's wallowing in
arbitrariness.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec

[Larissa Laricci]

Wow, it looks like minimalist  hahaha, what a coriuos wallpaper!!

I'm think is Good

Regards... Larissa! D:

2010/12/8 Thorsten Wilms 

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>  Message transféré 
> De: Julien Lavergne 
> À: John Baer 
> Cc: mariobehl...@googlemail.com, 神癒礁湖 · Rafael Laguna
> 
> Sujet: Re: Lubuntu Spec
> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:05:00 +0100
>
> Hi John,
>
> Le mercredi 08 décembre 2010 à 13:24 -0500, John Baer a écrit :
> > How does the Lubuntu spec look?  Please note the spec advises artist
> > to consider other colors than those from your pallet. Is that agreed?
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0008_Lubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper
>
> First, please note that I'm not a designer or an artistic people :)
>
> About the pallet, do you check with Canonical if others colors are
> acceptable for a derivated of Ubuntu ? Last time we check, the pallet
> was limited, and we had to stay with this one (which IMO, is nice).
>
> You need also to consider that, if people propose a very different color
> for the wallpaper, we will not accept it, unless they propose an entire
> theme which match this submission. So, no need to spend time in
> submissions we will reject for sure.
>
> About the spec :
> - Introduction
> We have specific targets for our users, see our wiki page :
> "Lubuntu is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec
> hardware. Such users may not know how to use command line tools, and in
> most cases they just don't have enough resources for all the bells and
> whistles of the "full-featured" mainstream distributions."
>
> - Inspiration:
> Well, our strategy for artwork is more "practical" :
>  * We want a nice artwork ...
>  * ... with no big requirement
>  * ... which render good and fast
>
> - Schedule :
> Our final schedule for the artwork :
> March 17th : End of proposal for artwork
> March 22nd : Decision for Artwork
>
> Please note that is for all the artwork. There will be no step before
> this (not a first step for the wallpaper, and another for the remaining
> parts).
>
> I hope the answer is complete enough, sorry if it's quite late in the
> process, I was busy recently.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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[ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec

[Thorsten Wilms]

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De: Julien Lavergne 
À: John Baer 
Cc: mariobehl...@googlemail.com, 神癒礁湖 · Rafael Laguna

Sujet: Re: Lubuntu Spec
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:05:00 +0100

Hi John,

Le mercredi 08 décembre 2010 à 13:24 -0500, John Baer a écrit :
> How does the Lubuntu spec look?  Please note the spec advises artist
> to consider other colors than those from your pallet. Is that agreed? 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0008_Lubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper

First, please note that I'm not a designer or an artistic people :)

About the pallet, do you check with Canonical if others colors are
acceptable for a derivated of Ubuntu ? Last time we check, the pallet
was limited, and we had to stay with this one (which IMO, is nice).

You need also to consider that, if people propose a very different color
for the wallpaper, we will not accept it, unless they propose an entire
theme which match this submission. So, no need to spend time in
submissions we will reject for sure.

About the spec :
- Introduction
We have specific targets for our users, see our wiki page : 
"Lubuntu is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec
hardware. Such users may not know how to use command line tools, and in
most cases they just don't have enough resources for all the bells and
whistles of the "full-featured" mainstream distributions."

- Inspiration:
Well, our strategy for artwork is more "practical" :
 * We want a nice artwork ...
 * ... with no big requirement
 * ... which render good and fast

- Schedule :
Our final schedule for the artwork : 
March 17th : End of proposal for artwork
March 22nd : Decision for Artwork

Please note that is for all the artwork. There will be no step before
this (not a first step for the wallpaper, and another for the remaining
parts).

I hope the answer is complete enough, sorry if it's quite late in the
process, I was busy recently.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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[ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec

[John Baer]

Hey Lubuntu community and Thorsten,

I added some love to the Lubuntu spec so we may open this up for
submissions.

Are my changes acceptable?

Best regards,

John
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 18:38 +0100, Julien Lavergne wrote:

> You can find more information about the artwork used for Lubuntu on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing . It includes the actual
> palette of colors we used, and logos you can use.

Well, that page shows some artwork, but no word about the reasoning and
strategy behind it. We can help you developing it, but the core of it
should come from you.


> Also, I don't think the Inspiration, and Palette sections are accurate
> for Lubuntu (but you already said it :)). 

If you can define why any single element doesn't seem appropriate, we
might be a step further.


> And I don't understand what
> you mean in the TODO section. Is it something to add with the
> submission, or work to do for other specs ?

The Todo with comments:

 * Define colors used in the panel, windows. Evaluate them in light of
the intended message (lightness, performance). Suggest changes
accordingly.

# The wallpaper has to go well with the panels, some icons and the
window theme. Before you start to design wallpapers accordingly, you
should make sure these elements are as they should be.

Note that it's also fine to start with the wallpaper, to then adjust
everything else. But you have to plan your schedule accordingly.


 * Identify icons likely to appear on the desktop

# The icons that will appear on the wallpaper.


 * Create templates that allow to see proposals in context

# This one will become clearer once I manage to release a little utility
and explain what it does.


 * Select associations and metaphors and work on literal or abstract
takes on them. 

# In the Xubuntu case, we have a rather long and wide list and actually
might want to eliminate some. A literal take on a cheetah, for example
would be a recognizable depiction of such an animal on a photo or as
illustration. An abstract take might just take a few cues from the
appearance of a cheetah. Maybe just a single curve, bend in a
characteristic way.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec

[Julien Lavergne]

Le dimanche 05 décembre 2010 à 17:58 -0800, j_baer a écrit :
> 
> I updated the Lubuntu spec with modified content from Xubuntu. ( look
> @ the
> Inspiration :- ) 
> 
> Mario - we could use your help in adding words to the spec which will
> assist
> artists as they craft submissions. In addition, I would like a high
> quality
> ( png / svg ) logo image so that I may create the Lubuntu flickr
> group. Just
> attached it to the spec or send it to my email. :-) 

Sorry, I didn't have time to comment on this earlier.

You can find more information about the artwork used for Lubuntu on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing . It includes the actual
palette of colors we used, and logos you can use.

Also, I don't think the Inspiration, and Palette sections are accurate
for Lubuntu (but you already said it :)). And I don't understand what
you mean in the TODO section. Is it something to add with the
submission, or work to do for other specs ?

Regards,
Julien Lavergne




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Re: [ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 17:58 -0800, j_baer wrote:

> I updated the Lubuntu spec with modified content from Xubuntu. ( look @ the
> Inspiration :- ) 

Heh, lovely. But we need a serious way to differentiate Lubuntu from
Xubuntu, or both can be handled with a single wallpaper collection ...


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[ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec

[j_baer]

Thorsten,

I updated the Lubuntu spec with modified content from Xubuntu. ( look @ the
Inspiration :- ) 

Mario - we could use your help in adding words to the spec which will assist
artists as they craft submissions. In addition, I would like a high quality
( png / svg ) logo image so that I may create the Lubuntu flickr group. Just
attached it to the spec or send it to my email. :-)

Best regards,

John
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