On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:44 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
> Vishnoo a écrit :
> > On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:18 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:04 +0100, François Degrave wrote:
> >>
> On Wednesday 17 February 2010 07:38:23 am Merk wrote:
>
>
> >> I'm not asking why the OS X was directly copied instead of
either Windows
> >> one. I'm asking why any existing Word icon was copied at all.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > It is a mimetype and as such needs to visually represent a
certain type of
> > file. It goes without saying that when everyone associates a
certain
> > look/letter/number with something they don't search for other
visual
> > metaphors. People expect certain things to look certain ways ;)
> >
> > --
> > Ken
> >
> >
> Ok but it feels uncomfortable
>
>
> >>> Thats really awesome. :)
> >>>
> >>> Then using those files types should be reduced rather than
complaining
> >>> about the icon ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Those filetypes are supported by OOo. No need to associate them
to icons
> >> referencing to Ms applications not supported under Linux.
> >>
> >
> > The icon is used only when someone is saving the file to be MS office
> > complaint.
> > Why cant we stop using that format , rather than nit-pick over
what one
> > has just chosen to continue to support?
> >
> >
> >> As far as I
> >> know, there is no reference to Adobe in the pdf files icons.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I'd suggest you check again ;)
> >
> Ok well, you are right. And that is basically... lame. Evince is the
> default PDF reader, why should the icon be related to Adobe?
There is a difference between PDF and Adobe / Evince. :)
PDF is an _open_ Portable Document Format. and the logo isnt even been
used in full. ;)
Adobe is a company with several apps and "Reader" , "Acrobat" is the pdf
reader and editor respectively. Note the adobe logo isnt used. Their
logo is different.
Evince is an app too and not a format ...
Ok sorry obviously you widely misunderstood my point, maybe I was not
clear enough in my previous mail. Of course, the icon for the pdf
*filetype* is a reference to adobe; it is red/white with a big A in it
-- see attached. That is not acceptable (nor is it to put a "ms word" or
"ms powerpoint" logo in a *filetype* icon). The only thing the user has
to know is that it is a pdf file, period. In MacOsX, the icon is like
that (ok that's a .ps here, but it's the same for .pdf):
http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/docs/openoffice-mac/temp-ps-file.png
Do you see a reference to Adobe Reader? No of course, because it is not
the default reader. Putting a reference to Adobe makes the user think it
will open with Adobe when double-clicking on the file.
The problem is the same for the psd file icon (attached): why putting a
Photoshop logo? The user only has to know it is an image, with the psd
extension. The photoshop logo is a nonsense here.
(You can try asking the evince developers if they think it is a good
idea to have icons for *pdf filetype* referencing to Adobe by default in
Ubuntu, I'm pretty sure what the answer will be. Same with OpenOffice
developers and doc, xls and ppt files icons.)
Cheers,
François
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