Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Travis Watkins wrote: On 5/12/06, Joao Inacio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there any reason why the image should be scaled from 640x480 to 640x400 and not cropped, keeping the aspect ratio? IMHO the scaled down image looks really uncool... vga16fb (the framebuffer used to show the usplash image) is 640x400. They look squished now but when usplash is using them they work fine. Okay, I redid them using a new squishing technique, quoth Adam Conrad "What I did here was take your 640x400 image, bump the canvass size (ie: no rescaling) to 640x480, then take THAT and rescale the image to 640x400. That gives you the right "shapes" for everything, so it's at the correct aspect ratio." Viper550 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Forget most of these comments. Thought you were referring to the splash. I don't graphically boot so I was clueless to what usplash was. I still agree say it's absolutely horrible and has nothing to do with the desktop (gtk, metacity, icons), and neither does the wallpaper. On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 23:17 +, Billy wrote: doesn't matter much what the splash looks like if people are going to see horrible icons like the file manager (nautilus) icon. True, it is an icon issue and not a splash issue. I just created a new user, saw it, and couldn't resist mentioning the obvious. One of the first things I do is turn off the splash so I thought I'd check it out before commenting. The default should be no splash, and a diff wallpaper. It's like the wallpaper so how good could it be? I agree it's absolutely horrible. It has nothing to do with the desktop (gtk, metacity, icons), but again, neither does the wallpaper. Billy -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
On 5/12/06, Joao Inacio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there any reason why the image should be scaled from 640x480 to 640x400 and not cropped, keeping the aspect ratio? IMHO the scaled down image looks really uncool... vga16fb (the framebuffer used to show the usplash image) is 640x400. They look squished now but when usplash is using them they work fine. -- Travis Watkins http://www.realistanew.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
doesn't matter much what the splash looks like if people are going to see horrible icons like the file manager (nautilus) icon. True, it is an icon issue and not a splash issue. I just created a new user, saw it, and couldn't resist mentioning the obvious. One of the first things I do is turn off the splash so I thought I'd check it out before commenting. The default should be no splash, and a diff wallpaper. It's like the wallpaper so how good could it be? I agree it's absolutely horrible. It has nothing to do with the desktop (gtk, metacity, icons), but again, neither does the wallpaper. Billy -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Is there any reason why the image should be scaled from 640x480 to 640x400 and not cropped, keeping the aspect ratio? IMHO the scaled down image looks really uncool... -- João Inácio http://www.jcinacio.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Stupid Dapper changes, 4:3 ratio, 640x400, squished, everything, why does this have to become so stupidly insane? I've had to redo them many times! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Viper550 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Hello, > I've placed a first sketch online: > http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalistic-sketch-1.png > > The resolution is 640x480 and it only shows what should be in the middle of > the screen: the empty space should be filled with the beige tint, try this > 1280x1024 version and view it full screen in The Gimp to see what I mean: > http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalistic-sketch-1-1280.png > > View it real life here (there's a bit of color shifting though): > http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalastic-sketch-1-reallife.jpg Hey, that's very nice. I work to an alternative reusing your good idea. I didn't work on a progress bar. Wish you like. Étienne. -- Verso l'Alto ! usplash.png Description: PNG image signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Hello, Yes, that caramelish ubuntu is much much nicer. And it will blend with both Human and Tangerine theme. (remember that a big part of dapper users will change to Tangerine icons). Étienne. -- Verso l'Alto ! signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
On Friday 12 May 2006 23:46, Viper550 wrote: > In response to what Mark-chan just said, I've indexed down my Usplash > artworks down to 13 colors (and they were already 640x480 already so that > helped!). I had to do some adjustments to Kubuntu and Edubuntu to make them > dither well, but Ubuntu survived pretty good! The images should be 640x400, skewing the aspect ratio, Mark was advising _not_ to use 640x480. The Ubuntu splash isn't dithered correctly, it still has 253 colors which is probably why it still looks so good :-) More details on USplash customization are on the Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto With kind regards, Frank Schoep -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: I think it's great that you are posting sample splash screens. But the constraints on the usplash image are enormous - very low resolution, only 13 colours. So before posting 640x480 images, please find out the exact constraints and TEST your images. Mark In response to what Mark-chan just said, I've indexed down my Usplash artworks down to 13 colors (and they were already 640x480 already so that helped!). I had to do some adjustments to Kubuntu and Edubuntu to make them dither well, but Ubuntu survived pretty good! Viper550 p.s. I am not Japanese, I just happen to be a big Naruto fan, believe it! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Lukas Sabota wrote: Viper, Your splashes all look very nice. They are a huge improvement over the current. I do have a suggestion: perhaps you could tone down the orange a tiny bit in the Ubuntu splash. Does the orange seem a little harsh to anyone else? I'm attaching a modified version of your ubuntu splash, with the red toned down a tiny bit. What do you think? God bless, Lukas On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 17:00 -0400, Viper550 wrote: You want polish? Well, I redid the Kubuntu and Edubuntu artwork in the exact same style for you, so how do you like these numbers? Sorry for ALL the attachments. p.s. Frank, we currently can't do a splash to SuSE's extent, because they use a different splash screen system, and they don't care about compatability and other stuff as much as we do (which I do not like, man I love Fedora's splash, they actually use X for it!) Yeah, I kinda forgot that it was only "pure orange" for like, one build! It's actually more of a caramel now, but still, they both look nice. Even though I prefer the pure orange one because that's the original one I made, the other one is good too! Maybe we should do a vote on the Wiki for this! Viper550 p.s. I also sent a new post with new versions without reflections on the letters, which I found ugly after the Forever for Now guy tipped me off 'bout that... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
I think it's great that you are posting sample splash screens. But the constraints on the usplash image are enormous - very low resolution, only 13 colours. So before posting 640x480 images, please find out the exact constraints and TEST your images. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Viper, Your splashes all look very nice. They are a huge improvement over the current. I do have a suggestion: perhaps you could tone down the orange a tiny bit in the Ubuntu splash. Does the orange seem a little harsh to anyone else? I'm attaching a modified version of your ubuntu splash, with the red toned down a tiny bit. What do you think? God bless, Lukas On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 17:00 -0400, Viper550 wrote: > You want polish? Well, I redid the Kubuntu and Edubuntu artwork in the > exact same style for you, so how do you like these numbers? Sorry for > ALL the attachments. > > p.s. > Frank, we currently can't do a splash to SuSE's extent, because they use > a different splash screen system, and they don't care about > compatability and other stuff as much as we do (which I do not like, man > I love Fedora's splash, they actually use X for it!) usplash_newbar2.png Description: PNG image -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
On Friday 12 May 2006 23:00, Viper550 wrote: > You want polish? Well, I redid the Kubuntu and Edubuntu artwork in the > exact same style for you, so how do you like these numbers? Sorry for > ALL the attachments. It looks like Edubuntu's reflection is cut off or largely missing on the left, is this correct? The Kubuntu logo isn't as shiny as the others it seems, and the different colors in the wheel-logo might be the cause of that, could you try a "one-color" version of Kubuntu? It also looks the gradient is a bit sharp now, with only two colors in it, split equally. I'm probably nitpicking here, but I'm just trying to help you improve the splashes. > Frank, we currently can't do a splash to SuSE's extent, because they use > a different splash screen system, and they don't care about > compatability and other stuff as much as we do (which I do not like, man > I love Fedora's splash, they actually use X for it!) I'm aware of the limitations of usplash, but I tried my best to come up something good that is possible without changing the bootsplash system. I'm not asking to decrease compatibility or aiming for full 16-bit high res images, just pushing the technology we have. With kind regards, Frank Schoep -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
On Friday 12 May 2006 22:48, Travis Watkins wrote: > You can't do a non-black background, it won't look right on some > systems because usplash doesn't fill the entire monitor. Using black > makes it look like usplash controls the entire monitor instead of > having it stick out as a tan island surrounded by black. Is this on specific architectures or are you referring to TFTs (laptops) not upscaling lower resolutions? Are there any numbers on the percentage of systems which are affected by this? I've experienced this using VMware when going fullscreen while booting, I personally have no problems with the "tan island" phenomenon. Any splash image is going to look distorted and tiny on those screens anyway, so it'll only provide an extra clue to why the splash looks squashed. I've yet to encounter desktop PC's which have CRTs or TFTs that do not upscale, but I think I saw an HP laptop once which didn't upscale by default. I'd say that more than 80% of desktops wouldn't be affected and that laptops have a slightly lower chance, but of course my experience isn't statistical evidence. So basically I'm finding myself in a deadlock position now, and having two questions: what do you think of the splash disregarding the "tan island" phenomenon and is "tan island" a showstopper for polishing the splash? With kind regards, Frank Schoep -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
On Friday 12 May 2006 22:26, Lukas Sabota wrote: > The current gray usplash is NOT dapper. Dapper drake is supposed to > focus on polish. Much of the current artwork does not seem polished at > all. I don't mean to troll here, but much of the current artwork is > lacking consistency. For example, there seems to be no real color > palette at throughout the menu system. The 3D back/forward/up/reload > icons of nautilus look different from everything else in the theme. The > folder icons seem bland. I personally feel that tangerine would make a > better default icon set. I'm sorry to have to agree with you. I've postponed judging Human until it's more complete and includes different sizes for icons, but I'm kind of in doubt about whether or not to sound the alarm horn right now, two weeks before the release. I've read this evening that the Tango shadows and along with it Tangerine were updated, which sounds great. I've always seen Tangerine as the more complete and usable icon set, I think it's also more vibrant, compare the "Internet" applications icon for instance. I think Nautilus is especially out of place with the new Human icons: green navigation arrows, blue refresh, hard red for "stop", it just doesn't fit in visually with the browns and earth tones. This reinforces what you said. Yesterday, Travis Watkins made my day with his punchline answering the question "what is the palette of Human": Looking at the icons the answer seems to be "every color you can think of". > I would encourage artists to take a look at the new SuSe 10.1 > screenshots [1]. For what it's worth, I prefer Ubuntu as an operating > system, but I feel SuSe is a good example of polish, and artists should > get some ideas from other open source work that has been done. Visually SuSE is very polished, but I find that certain areas of the functionality are less usable and more confusing than Ubuntu. A year ago I was really impressed with SuSE 9.3 [1], but I now find Dapper to be very usable. I'm using Breezy Kubuntu right now for daily use. When I stepped in using Dapper, I think it was Flight 6, Tangerine was pervasive in all windows since Human had only a few icons. With this week's Human update I came to dislike it more. I'm still using it while testing and I'm getting more and more used to it, but it still doesn't cut it for me (yet). > I'm sorry to sound harsh, but I don't feel that dapper artwork is > really "dapper". I appreciate all the hard work that has gone into the > artwork, but an overhaul is needed for the iconset and usplash theme to > provide a truly polished OS. I agree with you based on the current situation. If you can check out Flight 6, do so, in a way I think it looks more polished and integrated than the current Dapper. I'm doing my best to help out get things right, and I believe all mockups and ideas for improvement are welcome on this list. With kind regards, Frank Schoep [1] - http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/reviews/linux/suse-9.3-ftp.php -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
You can't do a non-black background, it won't look right on some systems because usplash doesn't fill the entire monitor. Using black makes it look like usplash controls the entire monitor instead of having it stick out as a tan island surrounded by black. -- Travis Watkins http://www.realistanew.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
On Friday 12 May 2006 18:28, Viper550 wrote: > Might this look better? The Ubuntu Logo I used on this one is actually > one I used in an artwork proposal I made a few months ago. Also, does > anyone have a picture of this ugly new Usplash artwork? I also combined > it with an idea I saw on the Usplash wiki page, not the whole thing > though but... It's definitely better than the "current" splash, but I've still got the idea we can make a better splash screen. Here's what I've been thinking of tonight: Things that I want the new splash to show are strong Ubuntu branding, linked to the colors used in the login screen desktop. I'm also a fan of keeping things simple for end users, which means I want to drop all unnecessary and possibly confusing screen elements. I've also noticed that in practice, drawing text using usplash is slow and imposes a bottleneck on the speed at which both my physical machine (with a Geforce 7800 GS) and virtual (VMware) machines boot. So what I'm proposing is dropping the text, and also dropping the black background color for a beige tint (used in the login screen). On top of that I want the Ubuntu circle logo, placed so that the circle is horizontally centered. Below that a solid progress bar (technical limitation). The logo and progress bar are a darker shade of beige and match colors, this prevents aliasing and gives some more breathing room in the palette of the image. My current sketches only use 8 colors in the palette. I've placed a first sketch online: http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalistic-sketch-1.png The resolution is 640x480 and it only shows what should be in the middle of the screen: the empty space should be filled with the beige tint, try this 1280x1024 version and view it full screen in The Gimp to see what I mean: http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalistic-sketch-1-1280.png View it real life here (there's a bit of color shifting though): http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalastic-sketch-1-reallife.jpg I'm not really sure about the thickness of the progress bar, but when viewing this full screen and stepping back a few feet, I think it looks really good. It's simple, won't confuse users and I think it shows the branding quite well. It also saves i18n work because no strings are shown by default on bootup, correct me if I'm wrong. If you're wondering why there is no "Ubuntu" text on the splash it's because I like the splash being spacious and to reinforce the circle logo. That logo is really nice and it deserves a place in the spotlight here. In the future, we could make the circle logo spin slowly to make bootup seem faster. Our friends in Cupertino are doing something similar to that, with a spinning "throbber" kind of like in Firefox. I think we've got our friends at Redmond beaten because of an actually working progress bar. Could you let me know if you love this design or where to improve on it? I'd create a real usplash out of it in the weekend if you want to test it in real life. With kind regards, Frank Schoep -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 12:28 -0400, Viper550 wrote: > iacopo masi wrote: > > I agree. > > The new usplash is so ugly and not usable! The current gray usplash is NOT dapper. Dapper drake is supposed to focus on polish. Much of the current artwork does not seem polished at all. I don't mean to troll here, but much of the current artwork is lacking consistency. For example, there seems to be no real color palette at throughout the menu system. The 3D back/forward/up/reload icons of nautilus look different from everything else in the theme. The folder icons seem bland. I personally feel that tangerine would make a better default icon set. I would encourage artists to take a look at the new SuSe 10.1 screenshots [1]. For what it's worth, I prefer Ubuntu as an operating system, but I feel SuSe is a good example of polish, and artists should get some ideas from other open source work that has been done. I'm sorry to sound harsh, but I don't feel that dapper artwork is really "dapper". I appreciate all the hard work that has gone into the artwork, but an overhaul is needed for the iconset and usplash theme to provide a truly polished OS. God bless, Lukas [1] http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=637&slide=26&title=suse+linux+10.1+screenshots -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
2006/5/12, Viper550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: iacopo masi wrote:> I agree.> The new usplash is so ugly and not usable!>> --> iAc> http://www.iacopomasi.netMight this look better? The Ubuntu Logo I used on this one is actually one I used in an artwork proposal I made a few months ago. Also, doesanyone have a picture of this ugly new Usplash artwork? I also combinedit with an idea I saw on the Usplash wiki page, not the whole thing though but...Viper550--ubuntu-art mailing listubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art It is very good.If it is posible, I would use something like this for the progress bar, but more orange. http://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dropbox/usplash/_usplash_2.pngIt was published in ubuntu-devel some days ago -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
i think vipers version is very good. thanks that so many people agree. im a happy man today :) Am Freitag, den 12.05.2006, 12:28 -0400 schrieb Viper550: > iacopo masi wrote: > > I agree. > > The new usplash is so ugly and not usable! > > > > -- > > iAc > > http://www.iacopomasi.net > Might this look better? The Ubuntu Logo I used on this one is actually > one I used in an artwork proposal I made a few months ago. Also, does > anyone have a picture of this ugly new Usplash artwork? I also combined > it with an idea I saw on the Usplash wiki page, not the whole thing > though but... > > Viper550 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
That would be nice to have a Tangoish one. -- Verso l'Alto ! signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
Le vendredi 12 mai 2006 à 12:28 -0400, Viper550 a écrit : > iacopo masi wrote: > > I agree. > > The new usplash is so ugly and not usable! > > > > -- > > iAc > > http://www.iacopomasi.net > Might this look better? The Ubuntu Logo I used on this one is actually > one I used in an artwork proposal I made a few months ago. Also, does > anyone have a picture of this ugly new Usplash artwork? I also combined > it with an idea I saw on the Usplash wiki page, not the whole thing > though but... That theme is far better and blend better with Human ubuntulook. Althought, did you use same color as progress bar from ubuntulook ? or directory icon ? -- Verso l'Alto ! signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
El vie, 12-05-2006 a las 12:28 -0400, Viper550 escribió: > iacopo masi wrote: > > I agree. > > The new usplash is so ugly and not usable! > > > > -- > > iAc > > http://www.iacopomasi.net > Might this look better? I like it very much over the actual :) Ricardo. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Uspash
I think it is perfect for Orange Dapper Theme integration! Add the shadow as in the previous splash...good job2006/5/12, Viper550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:iacopo masi wrote:> I agree.> The new usplash is so ugly and not usable! >> --> iAc> http://www.iacopomasi.netMight this look better? The Ubuntu Logo I used on this one is actuallyone I used in an artwork proposal I made a few months ago. Also, does anyone have a picture of this ugly new Usplash artwork? I also combinedit with an idea I saw on the Usplash wiki page, not the whole thingthough but...Viper550 -- iAchttp://www.iacopomasi.net -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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I agree.The new usplash is so ugly and not usable!-- iAchttp://www.iacopomasi.net -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
