Re: [ubuntu-art] logo / branding for ubuntu-women?
On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 16:35 -0400, Dean Landolt wrote: > http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/ubuntu-women/ > > Are those breasts in 4 and 5? That's hysterical! (and quite tastefully > done) http://badgerbag.livejournal.com/134751.html Havn't been added to http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Open_Source_Software#Incidents (yet) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] logo / branding for ubuntu-women?
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 20:27 +0200, Carol Meertens wrote: >> Hello ubuntu-art group, >> >> I'm posting to ubuntu-art on behalf of the ubuntu-women group, of >> which I am a member. We would like to have a branding for our group. > > I hope you like at least one of these. > If so, tweaking and adding text will be next: > http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/ubuntu-women/ This discussion appears to have migrated to ubuntu-women; you may want to consider crossposting this there. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] logo / branding for ubuntu-women?
> I hope you like at least one of these. > If so, tweaking and adding text will be next: > http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/ubuntu-women/ > Are those breasts in 4 and 5? That's hysterical! (and quite tastefully done) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] logo / branding for ubuntu-women?
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 20:27 +0200, Carol Meertens wrote: > Hello ubuntu-art group, > > I'm posting to ubuntu-art on behalf of the ubuntu-women group, of > which I am a member. We would like to have a branding for our group. I hope you like at least one of these. If so, tweaking and adding text will be next: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/ubuntu-women/ -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] logo / branding for ubuntu-women?
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 20:27 +0200, Carol Meertens wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
>> We feel it would be nice to just have the Ubuntu circle, with its
>> default colors, and with two additional crossing lines below it ('+').
>> The '+' is making it the symbol for female. This was inspired by the
>> debian women logo [3], which you probably know and which we like very
>> much.
>
> It works with the Debian swirl. But to my eyes, the 'heads' in the
> circle of friends works against a recognisable integration of the Venus
> symbol. Someone needs to play with the 2 symbols a bit.
>
> I guess the Venus symbol is about the only option to not bring in some
> cliche.
>
>> In addition to that we would like a version of the mugshot with the
>> words 'ubuntu' and 'women' at the right; using the ubuntu font. One
>> of our members, Akkana Peck, created an example:
>> http://shallowsky.com/ubuntu-women/. We are not sure whether rotation
>> of the circle is legally correct.
>
> Please note that both available fonts do not mach the original "ubuntu"
> of the logo, which means one would have to fill in the missing letters
> for "women" for a consistent and correct whole. If one was to take the
> letters from brainstorm, there would still be the w and e.
>
> I think using a woman's wide and round handwritten "women", maybe
> including the "ubuntu" would be much better. No worries about doing
> further damage to the ubuntu title font situation, much more character.
Indeed, you'd be much better off using one identical font to render
both words or least substantially different ones than two nearly
identical but annoyingly different fonts. This leaves you with some
choices. A non-exhaustive list:
* use an ubuntu-title font for both
* use ubuntu title for "ubuntu" and something else for "women"
* use something else for both
I could see a case for using a script font for women, but it could
imply that this is some special Ubuntu for women, or that women have
special software needs, possibly with connotations that women can't
generally handle technical subjects. A script font will certainly set
the project, its goals and possibly its members, apart from Ubuntu as
a whole. Men will identify the logo as "for women", not "about
women", and I'm not sure the project wants or can afford to turn away
people by default.
In contrast, the ubuntu-title font seems to be gender neutral. Some
people are worried that damage is being done to some trademark or
intellectual meaning of the logo by overuse, but I disagree. The
title font is fairly unique in it's design, lacking any relationship
to traditional calligraphy without sacrificing readability much. Many
people use it to imply a relationship to Ubuntu. Unfortunately, it's
implementation leaves much to be desired, but I am looking at
improving that. That said, I think the titling for your
The other concern is the logo. It is called the "Circle of Friends,"
and one of the requirements appears to be that it not be rotated so
that one person is on top. This reflects a message about equality and
authority between friends. I'm certainly in no position to allow or
deny changes to the logo itself (a little ironic), but I have a
suggestion. Rather than rotate the logo, perhaps take one of the
circular heads and replace it with the stem of the Venus glyph rotated
to fit the logo. This also avoids a corollary statement: just as no
person is above the rest, no person or group of people is below the
rest. I think you might appreciate that sentiment.
The loss of rotational symmetry does look a little silly though, and
the transformation of the circle from a group of people into one
"person"'s head may cause cognitive friction. I've attached a draft
.SVG for anyone else to play with. I don't think it's finished, but
it should offer visual evidence to my suggestions.
Justin Dugger
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Re: [ubuntu-art] logo / branding for ubuntu-women?
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 20:27 +0200, Carol Meertens wrote:
Hi!
> We feel it would be nice to just have the Ubuntu circle, with its
> default colors, and with two additional crossing lines below it ('+').
> The '+' is making it the symbol for female. This was inspired by the
> debian women logo [3], which you probably know and which we like very
> much.
It works with the Debian swirl. But to my eyes, the 'heads' in the
circle of friends works against a recognisable integration of the Venus
symbol. Someone needs to play with the 2 symbols a bit.
I guess the Venus symbol is about the only option to not bring in some
cliche.
> In addition to that we would like a version of the mugshot with the
> words 'ubuntu' and 'women' at the right; using the ubuntu font. One
> of our members, Akkana Peck, created an example:
> http://shallowsky.com/ubuntu-women/. We are not sure whether rotation
> of the circle is legally correct.
Please note that both available fonts do not mach the original "ubuntu"
of the logo, which means one would have to fill in the missing letters
for "women" for a consistent and correct whole. If one was to take the
letters from brainstorm, there would still be the w and e.
I think using a woman's wide and round handwritten "women", maybe
including the "ubuntu" would be much better. No worries about doing
further damage to the ubuntu title font situation, much more character.
I would have a hard time faking such handwriting. There are several
things I should finish before taking on anything else, anyway, so I hope
my input is of use to someone :)
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[ubuntu-art] logo / branding for ubuntu-women?
Hello ubuntu-art group,
I'm posting to ubuntu-art on behalf of the ubuntu-women group, of
which I am a member. We would like to have a branding for our group.
Would it be possible the ubuntu-art group creates this for us?
Its first use would be on our launchpad page [1] and on our website
[2]. We suspect the task could be easy for you, yet very difficult for
us to get it right. That's why we hope you are willing to make one for
us.
We feel it would be nice to just have the Ubuntu circle, with its
default colors, and with two additional crossing lines below it ('+').
The '+' is making it the symbol for female. This was inspired by the
debian women logo [3], which you probably know and which we like very
much.
I'm not sure what information you would need exactly. Please let me
know if I need to provide more information. For launchpad a group
there are 3 formats in use for the different applications of the logo:
- 'mugshot': 192x192 pixels, at most 100kb
- 'logo': 64x64 pixels, at most 50kb
- 'icon': 14x14 pixels, at most 5kb
In addition to that we would like a version of the mugshot with the
words 'ubuntu' and 'women' at the right; using the ubuntu font. One
of our members, Akkana Peck, created an example:
http://shallowsky.com/ubuntu-women/. We are not sure whether rotation
of the circle is legally correct.
You can read our thread about it at our mailing list archives [4].
I'm CC-ing this post to the ubuntu-women mailing list.
Hoping to hear from you,
Taking the opportunity to thank you for your beautiful art work,
--
mouz
[1] ubuntu-women on launchpad:
https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women
[2] ubuntu-women website:
http://www.ubuntu-women.org/
[3] debian women logo:
http://women.debian.org/images/dw.png
[4] thread on ubuntu-women mailing list starts at:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2008-July/001603.html
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