Re: [ubuntu-art] orange
Julian Oliver wrote:
that said, at the end of the day the goal shouldn't be to make a 'striking'
desktop so much as one that is simultaneously easy to look at for long hours,
has attention to detail when studied and is graphically logical the rest of the time.
IMHO the atomic parts of the desktop as a graphical environment should
be translucid, yet a pleasure to look at when so desired. confidence in
a desktop environment is not pervaded with stylistic virtuosity so much
as in it's reliable behavioural and graphical logic.
Well said!
Our goals should be:
- visual and logical consistency
- long term comfort and familiarity
- matching of presentation and prioritisation
=> only make short term critical stuff bright red
- style, polish and class
as much as i find OSX tedious and frustrating from a useability perspective,
it is graphically successful to these ends, in that it one is barely aware of the
graphical particulars or stylistic disposition of the desktop in the course of using it.
They very successfully reduced the number of different visual elements,
and made those that are there excellent. Do less, but do it better.
That would be a very axiom for us in the next meta-cycle.
I very much like the fact that we have Human, which is quite tightly
controlled, and Tangerine, where we have a more community-driven
approach. These two can complement one another, with Tangerine being
focused on innovation while Human is focused on polish. Neither will
ever be perfect, but both will attract people for different reasons.
The creative tension between them can be managed. Users can choose if
they prefer one or the other or mix them for maximum coverage. The best
work and ideas will migrate quickly from the one to the other.
I think we should continue this and expand it during the Edgy cycle and
more broadly during the next "meta-cycle", by which I mean the set of
releases between Edgy and the next LTS ("long term support") enterprise
release, which could be two or three years.
that said, i really don't think the world needs another blue desktop.
Also, very well said :-)
Mark
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Re: [ubuntu-art] orange
..on Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 07:42:12PM +0200, Suzan wrote: > Hi, > > a different opinion about the "orange" thing from myself: > > i love it. Orange is fresh an light and fits perfectly with brown and > dark-red colours. > > I love the orange tangerine and the orange human icons. They are so > pretty different from other linux iconsets. > > Just my 2 cents... and it's not the first time we've seen orange on the gnome desktop at all. out of interest the old 'Gorilla' SVG theme was pretty popular and used orange heavily for file and folder properties on icons: http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/screenshots/gorilla.jpg that said, at the end of the day the goal shouldn't be to make a 'striking' desktop so much as one that is simultaneously easy to look at for long hours, has attention to detail when studied and is graphically logical the rest of the time. IMHO the atomic parts of the desktop as a graphical environment should be translucid, yet a pleasure to look at when so desired. confidence in a desktop environment is not pervaded with stylistic virtuosity so much as in it's reliable behavioural and graphical logic. as much as i find OSX tedious and frustrating from a useability perspective, it is graphically successful to these ends, in that it one is barely aware of the graphical particulars or stylistic disposition of the desktop in the course of using it. that said, i really don't think the world needs another blue desktop. my EUR00.02 julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-http://selectparks.net/~julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] orange
hehe, thanks for the 2 cents. I like orange ok; however, I just think green flows better with brown.Even though I can't read your website (http://suzansworld.com), I did get a little chuckle from your post because your pictures of the inside of your house perhaps, is orange. lolI hope I did not offend you by saying speaking out so much agaist the orange color.And please forgive me for being a dumb American and not being able to read your site. ;) Suzan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,a different opinion about the "orange" thing from myself:i love it. Orange is fresh an light and fits perfectly with brown anddark-red colours.I love the orange tangerine and the orange human icons. They are sopretty different from other linux iconsets. Just my 2 cents...GreetingsSuzan-- Homepage: http://suzansworld.comLinuxlog: http://mylinux.suzansworld.comJabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-- ubuntu-art mailing listubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] orange
Hi, a different opinion about the "orange" thing from myself: i love it. Orange is fresh an light and fits perfectly with brown and dark-red colours. I love the orange tangerine and the orange human icons. They are so pretty different from other linux iconsets. Just my 2 cents... Greetings Suzan -- Homepage: http://suzansworld.com Linuxlog: http://mylinux.suzansworld.com Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Orange
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 16:17 -0700, Steven Johnson wrote: > I just don't get it! > Please read up on discussions in regard to your email before posting another email about this. It has been discussed and argued over many times before, that it has gotten quite bothersome. > Why not light brown and light green? Why not purple? Why not indigo? Why not black? Because we decided on the colour palette that has been adopted since Warty and we have stuck with it - earthy colours. I'm going to paste some things from earlier emails: If Ubuntu followed a blue-ish trend then I have the feeling we would be getting complaints from other people just about the same thing: colouration. I accept that many people prefer blue above brown, or grey above orange, but this is one of the things that sets Ubuntu apart from other distributions. We've moved to orange now, as evident in the Metacity and GTK themes, and that's it. Same goes for the icon sets. The new Human icon as well as Tangerine both use orange as a primary colour. Changing to another primary colour would require so much work on artwork alone that we would have to delay Dapper again, probably for longer and with no guarantee that the work would look reasonable in the end nor that users will like it. I think this is a good thing. We've made the decision to stick with these new shades and lots of work has been done based on that decision. If we were to change main shades now it would be a lot of work to re-do the work we have already done. The only thing we really need to change is simply the amount of critique on the work that has been done and instead do some work work ourselves. I suppose though I am not a decent example of this at the moment, so yea... Would be nice though. :) > [...] I see whats going on here, since I have been following Ubuntu > since Warty. You want to get peoples attention with these bright ugly > colors, but guess what-you already have our attention. Please > consider using light brown and light green for the default colors. > Who would disagree with these colors? I would, for the reasons mentioned above. > These are my reasons: > > 1. Light brown and light Green is not Blue ;) > 2. Earthly colors and I do not think it would offend Ubuntu users > 3. Orange is not a universally liked color > > I know I can change the theme to whatever color(s) I want, but I want > Ubuntu to be the best and to be the best you have to look like the > best. I think we're doing great how things are going. > Thank you, > Cheers, Pascal -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Orange
Do you think you may can do something kinda like this graphite and green? I would if I knew what lines to edit ;)http://www.deviantart.com/view/31592464/"Javier Aravena C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: El jue, 13-04-2006 a las 16:17 -0700, Steven Johnson escribi�:> I just don't get it!> > Why not light brown and light green? I see whats going on here, since> I have been following Ubuntu since Warty. You want to get peoples> attention with these bright ugly colors, but guess what-you already> have our attention. Please consider using light brown and light green> for the default colors. Who would disagree with these colors?> > These are my reasons:> > 1. Light brown and light Green is not Blue ;)> 2. Earthly colors and I do not think it would offend Ubuntu users> 3. Orange is not a universally liked color> > I know I can change the theme to whatever color(s) I want, but I want> Ubuntu to be the best and to be the best you have to look like the> best.> > Thank you,> > I don't know how would that look with the ubuntulooks engine, besides,it's way to late to say that, I mean, most of the work has already beendone in orange, to redo it would take way too much time, however Isupport the Ideas for dapper+1. To see how a brown and green theme wouldlook take a look to the theme I'm using right nowhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37635. it's beautifuland looks really neat with tangerine.-- Javier Aravena C.[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://phrodo00.byethost11.com Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Orange
Thanks! Changing Clearlooks to Ubuntulooks as you say, worked!How do you install Clearlooks Cario in Ubuntu dapper? looks like to me that its been downgraded at some point?"Javier Aravena C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: El jue, 13-04-2006 a las 21:18 -0500, Travis Watkins escribi�:> On 4/13/06, Javier Aravena C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > you must have clearlooks-cairo> > Any way to make it use ubuntulooks?> > --> Travis Watkins> http://www.realistanew.comakaik just changing clearlooks for ubuntulooks in the engine part of thegtkrc should be enough.-- ubuntu-art mailing listubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Orange
El jue, 13-04-2006 a las 21:18 -0500, Travis Watkins escribió: > On 4/13/06, Javier Aravena C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you must have clearlooks-cairo > > Any way to make it use ubuntulooks? > > -- > Travis Watkins > http://www.realistanew.com akaik just changing clearlooks for ubuntulooks in the engine part of the gtkrc should be enough. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Orange
On 4/13/06, Javier Aravena C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you must have clearlooks-cairo Any way to make it use ubuntulooks? -- Travis Watkins http://www.realistanew.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Orange
El jue, 13-04-2006 a las 21:06 -0500, Travis Watkins escribió: > On 4/13/06, Javier Aravena C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know how would that look with the ubuntulooks engine, besides, > > it's way to late to say that, I mean, most of the work has already been > > done in orange, to redo it would take way too much time, however I > > support the Ideas for dapper+1. To see how a brown and green theme would > > look take a look to the theme I'm using right now > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37635. it's beautiful > > and looks really neat with tangerine. > > I can't seem to get this theme to work, when I install it and try to > use it I get the stock gtk look. > > -- > Travis Watkins > http://www.realistanew.com you must have clearlooks-cairo -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Orange
On 4/13/06, Javier Aravena C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know how would that look with the ubuntulooks engine, besides, > it's way to late to say that, I mean, most of the work has already been > done in orange, to redo it would take way too much time, however I > support the Ideas for dapper+1. To see how a brown and green theme would > look take a look to the theme I'm using right now > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37635. it's beautiful > and looks really neat with tangerine. I can't seem to get this theme to work, when I install it and try to use it I get the stock gtk look. -- Travis Watkins http://www.realistanew.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Orange
El jue, 13-04-2006 a las 16:17 -0700, Steven Johnson escribió: > I just don't get it! > > Why not light brown and light green? I see whats going on here, since > I have been following Ubuntu since Warty. You want to get peoples > attention with these bright ugly colors, but guess what-you already > have our attention. Please consider using light brown and light green > for the default colors. Who would disagree with these colors? > > These are my reasons: > > 1. Light brown and light Green is not Blue ;) > 2. Earthly colors and I do not think it would offend Ubuntu users > 3. Orange is not a universally liked color > > I know I can change the theme to whatever color(s) I want, but I want > Ubuntu to be the best and to be the best you have to look like the > best. > > Thank you, > > I don't know how would that look with the ubuntulooks engine, besides, it's way to late to say that, I mean, most of the work has already been done in orange, to redo it would take way too much time, however I support the Ideas for dapper+1. To see how a brown and green theme would look take a look to the theme I'm using right now http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37635. it's beautiful and looks really neat with tangerine. -- Javier Aravena C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://phrodo00.byethost11.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Orange
I just don't get it!Why not light brown and light green? I see whats going on here, since I have been following Ubuntu since Warty. You want to get peoples attention with these bright ugly colors, but guess what-you already have our attention. Please consider using light brown and light green for the default colors. Who would disagree with these colors?These are my reasons:1. Light brown and light Green is not Blue ;)2. Earthly colors and I do not think it would offend Ubuntu users3. Orange is not a universally liked colorI know I can change the theme to whatever color(s) I want, but I want Ubuntu to be the best and to be the best you have to look like the best.Thank you, Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
