Re: [ubuntu-art] possible light-themes/murrine bug, trying to find out who to contact
Hello John, FYI, Thunderbird uses XUL with a theming compatibility layer, not GTK2. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL for details. This is a wrong list to contact indeed. I'd rather contact Ubuntu Mozilla team, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] possible light-themes/murrine bug, trying to find out who to contact
Hi Sergey, Thanks for the response and for taking the time to look at the problem with me; very much appreciated. Respectfully, that doesn't sound correct though; XULrunner is a high level ui toolkit that binds to gtk2 (and also bind to cocoa and win32 for other platforms). Firefox and Thunderbird are still very much using gtk2 for their applications, they just aren't using c/c++ bindings but instead using crossplatform XULrunner (which can render using other toolkits making it cross platform) which in turn calls gtk2 to write the widgets to screen, as opposed to being a completely unique toolkit like motif or qt or using gtk2 directly. Here's the ticket tracking work Mozilla is doing moving from gtk2 to gtk3 for some time in the future, showing they are most definitely using gtk2 when rendering xul configurations fed into xulrunner on *nix platforms: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627699 The only two themes that are problematic, Ambiance and Radiance, are each using the same Murrine gtk2 engine that Ubuntu ships. I recently discovered Clearlooks and all other gtk2 themes I load do not have the same issue as Thunderbird renders seemingly every other gtk2 correctly for the scrollbars. -John Knight On 09/11/2012 09:38 AM, ?? ??? wrote: Hello John, FYI, Thunderbird uses XUL with a theming compatibility layer, not GTK2. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL for details. This is a wrong list to contact indeed. I'd rather contact Ubuntu Mozilla team, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] possible light-themes/murrine bug, trying to find out who to contact
Thanks for the info, I didn't know of XUL technical details. Still, if the issue is local to Thunderbird, it's still very likely a bug in whatever XUL uses to render via GTK. For example, LibreOffice tries to use GTK rendering too (GTK3 as of late) and it's not 100% compatible either. I'd try to bug Ubuntu Mozilla Team or maybe upstream developers directly. Just FYI, Murrine developer is https://launchpad.net/~cimi -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 2012/9/12 John Knight j...@classiccitytelco.com Hi Sergey, Thanks for the response and for taking the time to look at the problem with me; very much appreciated. Respectfully, that doesn't sound correct though; XULrunner is a high level ui toolkit that binds to gtk2 (and also bind to cocoa and win32 for other platforms). Firefox and Thunderbird are still very much using gtk2 for their applications, they just aren't using c/c++ bindings but instead using crossplatform XULrunner (which can render using other toolkits making it cross platform) which in turn calls gtk2 to write the widgets to screen, as opposed to being a completely unique toolkit like motif or qt or using gtk2 directly. Here's the ticket tracking work Mozilla is doing moving from gtk2 to gtk3 for some time in the future, showing they are most definitely using gtk2 when rendering xul configurations fed into xulrunner on *nix platforms: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627699 The only two themes that are problematic, Ambiance and Radiance, are each using the same Murrine gtk2 engine that Ubuntu ships. I recently discovered Clearlooks and all other gtk2 themes I load do not have the same issue as Thunderbird renders seemingly every other gtk2 correctly for the scrollbars. -John Knight -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] possible light-themes/murrine bug, trying to find out who to contact
Greetings, I've been trying to track down a bug in Thunderbird regarding scrollbars using both Ambiance/Radiance themes not rendering correctly. There is a bug report currently open here that was originally for Thunderbird 14 but still exists in the newly released Thunderbird 15 package: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/1025935 I just posted comment #12 recently as I discovered this doesn't appear to be a bug in Thunderbird at all but rather either Murrine (the gtk2 engine) and/or light-themes (whose package information says is maintained by this mailing list). To sum up my findings so far, Thunderbird running with Clearlooks (used as Adwaita's gtk2 theme) does not have the problem (greyed out scrollbars), so I think I've narrowed it down to Murrine or light-themes. I know you guys are definitely probably busy with other things, but I would greatly appreciate any help one might be able to offer me in an effort to make aware the proper maintainers of a possible bug. It's entirely a visual bug, not a security bug so I realize the priority might be high but inconsistencies in the theme which affect core applications used by business customers I believe may damage the ability to fully convince people to fully adopt Ubuntu. I'm always trying to get my customers to adopt Ubuntu on the desktop whenever appropriate as it greatly reduces our support time as a small consultancy company. This bug is affecting two of our customers who are having trouble using the scrollbars effectively as it renders in uniformly the same grey color and the Ubuntu overlay scrollbars do not yet work for gtk2 applications. Apologies in advance if this was the wrong list to contact. Just trying to help close a bug. -John Knight -Classic City Telco -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
