Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 19:43 +0200, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:51:45PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Julian Oliver wrote: i lecture and give workshops at a few Design academies around the EU, but focus more on interactive art and game development using FOSS. if there was interest, i could talk it over with a department head and plan a day-long class excercise. i think students would love it - both play with and critique a whole new OS for a day. I think this group would very much appreciate that sort of analysis, especially if it could be folded into a single top down review of Human as part of the Edgy planning process. ok great, i'll make it a priority to get in contact with a few design schools i am involved with (or have contacts within) and let you all know how i get on. if anyone else has any contacts within an academy in their area (even via a friend) let us know about it in this thread. I live in Canberra, Australia and we have two universities in the city of about 330,000 (yeah, it's quite cool :o) ). I am sure I could try and set up a standalone system that has an internet connection, running Dapper out of the box and allow a string of people to use it and answer a few questions. Perhaps we could create an agreed question sheet or something of the sort which we would kindly ask experienced users to fill in and another one to complete computing newcomers. As a final note, I really think something like this could greatly benefit Ubuntu. We would be able to get some feedback on the work we enjoy doing and through it allow us to see where there may yet be problems and issues to solve. The desktop team has been contacted about this I assume? :) What do you all think? Kind regards, Pascal Klein until then it may be good to start a ubuntu art crit wiki page and isolate key areas we're interested in getting feedback on, while leaving room for people's wider opinions to be voiced. cheers, julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-/ -_) / -_) _| _| '_ \/ _` | '_| / /(_- /__/\___|_\___\__|\__| .__/\__,_|_| |_\_\/__/ |_http://selectparks.net/~julian signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 13:39 +0200, Julian Oliver wrote: hi list, i think it may be useful to produce some objectivity on the state of the art at this stage. by this i mean offering Ubuntu art up for some rigorous external critique! as it stands the only feedback we get is from forum rants, the occassional article and friends. alot of this feedback is unspecific and lacking the kind of trained description. that is useful to the Ubuntu artists themselves. one context for doing this would be to introduce Ubuntu as the subject of a design crit at a Design academy, where a big class of students would spend a day on the Live CD going through the art with a fine-tooth-comb covering everything from colour palettes, icon design and distribution, overall continuity, interface semiotics - from boot to shutdown. perhaps we could open up a page on a wiki for them to edit directly, and provide topics with which to comment and grade aspects of the art we're interested in hearing about. we could share this output with ubuntu-desktop simultaneously. i lecture and give workshops at a few Design academies around the EU, but focus more on interactive art and game development using FOSS. if there was interest, i could talk it over with a department head and plan a day-long class excercise. i think students would love it - both play with and critique a whole new OS for a day. ideally we'd do this with a few schools at the same time. I think this is an excellent idea. I'd like add that perhaps it would be useful, especially as a comparison, to do a similar things to people who are new to Ubuntu and do not have any design training ie. an average end-user. I think that asking end-users what they think of various design elements, without describing the reasons for the interfaces and artwork being done in the particular way done and noting the feedback and comments would be good. For example take a 50 year old person who uses computers to remain in touch with his or her younger relatives via email and does online browsing work such as banking or reading. Asking them about: * the artwork they like the most (icon set, metacity theme and so forth) and why * the way the menus are done and their contents * names for features and functions * colouration * accessibility and so forth could be integrated here. Of course, I suppose such ventures have probably already been undertaken, however I want to differ somewhat by suggesting asking them [the user] about the artwork is just as important as asking them about such issues as the accessibility. julian Cheers and awesome idea. Pascal signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
Julian Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi list,i think it may be useful to produce some objectivity on the state of theart at this stage. by this i mean offering Ubuntu art up for some rigorous external critique! as it stands the only feedback we get is from forum rants, the occassional article and friends. alot of this feedback is unspecific and lacking the kind of trained description.that is useful to the Ubuntu artists themselves.one context for doing this would be to introduce Ubuntu as the subjectof a design crit at a Design academy, where a big class of studentswould spend a day on the Live CD going through the art with afine-tooth-comb covering everything from colour palettes, icon design and distribution, overall continuity, interface semiotics - from boot to shutdown.perhaps we could open up a page on a wiki for them to edit directly,and provide topics with which to comment and grade aspects of the artwe're interested in hearing about. we could share this output withubuntu-desktop simultaneously.i lecture and give workshops at a few Design academies around the EU, but focus more on interactive art and game development using FOSS. if there was interest, i could talk it over with a department head andplan a day-long class excercise. i think students would love it - bothplay with and critique a whole new OS for a day.ideally we'd do this with a few schools at the same time. Great idea.J. Mak http://jozmak.googlepages.com Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
..on Wed, May 31, 2006 at 12:38:13AM +1000, Pascal Klein wrote: I'd like add that perhaps it would be useful, especially as a comparison, to do a similar things to people who are new to Ubuntu and do not have any design training ie. an average end-user. there's a good idea.. I think that asking end-users what they think of various design elements, without describing the reasons for the interfaces and artwork being done in the particular way done and noting the feedback and comments would be good. true, this would incorporate user feedback directly into the design process. keeping it real so to speak ;) For example take a 50 year old person who uses computers to remain in touch with his or her younger relatives via email and does online browsing work such as banking or reading. Asking them about: * the artwork they like the most (icon set, metacity theme and so forth) and why * the way the menus are done and their contents * names for features and functions * colouration * accessibility and so forth could be integrated here. Of course, I suppose such ventures have probably already been undertaken, however I want to differ somewhat by suggesting asking them [the user] about the artwork is just as important as asking them about such issues as the accessibility. true. i saw a clip a while back that i think Novell put together to document useability analysis sessions with people that had actually never touched Linux at all. it was truly cringe-worthy at times, but only because it revealed the extent of what any Linux user takes for granted. interestingly observing newbies often reveals alot of positive surprises. a member of my family that doesn't like computers at all found some peace with Ubuntu 6 months ago. when i asked her what she liked about it her first comment was I like that I don't have to go to websites to install software. package managment cherished by the n00b? shock horror ;) julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-/ -_) / -_) _| _| '_ \/ _` | '_| / /(_- /__/\___|_\___\__|\__| .__/\__,_|_| |_\_\/__/ |_http://selectparks.net/~julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
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