Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2006/5/3, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 2006/5/2, bvc < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What contrast, where in Smooth9? Green Smooth9? gPerfect-flat or japan-flat? Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry for being unclear, it was this one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/34670-2.pngThere are 10 themes in that pack. That is just the screenie of the ui. The contrast is low on that one, but how about Hedgehog, Serinity, Breathe, Etiquette? They have a lot more contrast. I can only find smooth-japan and smooth-japan-flat on the Smooth9 page on gnome-files.org... It is very good except that It seems there is a slight touch of green in the default widget background..? This is especially visible in tabulated views (the tabs are a bit lighter than the bg, anf they seem a bit greenish). I've triple checked and the others are there.The green is supposed to be there. Its color are based on the japan 2005 E17 theme but while considering gnome, gnome users that would be using a smooth engine theme, and the default GNOME icons, I made sure the green was obvious.I really wasn't thinking of this one as a possibility, mostly because I'd like to see Gnome get away from the military green and beige. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
2006/5/3, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 2006/5/2, bvc < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What contrast, where in Smooth9? Green Smooth9? gPerfect-flat or japan-flat? Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry for being unclear, it was this one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/34670-2.pngThere are 10 themes in that pack. That is just the screenie of the ui. The contrast is low on that one, but how about Hedgehog, Serinity, Breathe, Etiquette? They have a lot more contrast. I can only find smooth-japan and smooth-japan-flat on the Smooth9 page on gnome-files.org... It is very good except that It seems there is a slight touch of green in the default widget background..? This is especially visible in tabulated views (the tabs are a bit lighter than the bg, anf they seem a bit greenish). Cheers,Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2006/5/3, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 2006/5/2, bvc < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Point is, it can not be hacked, can it? I don't know how, do you? I'd bet there's a way but...where's devel? It IS NOT an inconsistency in the theme, it is an inconsistency is bad/lazy coded, minority apps that are not true gtk apps.I really don't know if there is a work around. However Firefox and OOo are perhaps the most high profile of the stock Ubuntu desktop. - But you get street-cred for saying they are "minority apps" ;-P You think they should be gdk. look bad, and be slow? Why are the 2 most high profile apps gdk, look bad, and slow? That's insane! They get the most complaints, and always have, so why haven't they been fixed, and come on over gtk? In that regard, yes, they are minority. No? Yes! New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
2006/5/3, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 2006/5/2, bvc < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To address your list 1) I think any pixmap themes should come from the other 3 community themes. Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please plese, no pixmap themes. They may look shiny, but I believe them to be one of the core things that make people say that Gnome is unresponsive. Dapper is feeling snappy right now, let's keep it that way :-) ...Gnome is unresponsive because of cairo. The destruction took place with its premature, buggy inclusion in gnome2.10. It has improved but not near enough. If dapper feels snappy it's because you are not using ubunutulooks either. I use only ubuntulooks based themes and they are perfectly snappy. You have an old sys. Most, or a lot, do not and if you take a look at the most downloaded themes, you'll find they're mostly pixmap. People like eyecandy. No, I don't have a problem with pixmap themes not being included. I don't use them anymore anyway because of cairo's slow rendering and I'm not old. I'm not new butathlon xp 1900, 512mb ram, nvidia gf mx440 64mb agp. Sad that something like this can't use pixmap themes. Very sad indeed. Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That is not an excuse. Windows without buttons show up from time to time, and it just feels unpolished and Dapper is all about polish. I have never seen a window without a button. You must either use bad third party apps or a strange/custon button layout.Nautilus. I encountered one, a while back - some dialog... Can't reproduce right now... Point is, it can not be hacked, can it? I don't know how, do you? I'd bet there's a way but...where's devel? It IS NOT an inconsistency in the theme, it is an inconsistency is bad/lazy coded, minority apps that are not true gtk apps.I really don't know if there is a work around. However Firefox and OOo are perhaps the most high profile of the stock Ubuntu desktop. - But you get street-cred for saying they are "minority apps" ;-P Hey, this isn't xubuntu, or the proposed fubuntu, or any other liteweight, whatever. It's gnome. Metacity is fine. Kill nautilus if you have speed issues. That's a fact! People have long dissed metacity without knowing what they are talking about. Metacity isn't the problem. I'm not saying it can't be better or better shouldn't be desired. I hate theming it, and upon its creation, by choice, it has many limitations, but it's a very small portion of peoples speed issues. Optimization of the desktop responsiveness can not come in one fell swoop. It is by fine tuning every possibly little knob we can find. Perhaps im more of a freak on this because of my outdated box. I don't wan't to use Xubuntu however - I use Gnome and that's not likely to change. Cheers,Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
2006/5/2, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To address your list 1) I think any pixmap themes should come from the other 3 community themes.Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please plese, no pixmap themes. They may look shiny, but I believe them to be one of the core things that make people say that Gnome is unresponsive. Dapper is feeling snappy right now, let's keep it that way :-)Please excuse the format of this email. I really need to change my email address for the list so I can use evolution instead of this yahoo garbage.Gnome is unresponsive because of cairo. The destruction took place with its premature, buggy inclusion in gnome2.10. It has improved but not near enough. If dapper feels snappy it's because you are not using ubunutulooks either. You have an old sys. Most, or a lot, do not and if you take a look at the most downloaded themes, you'll find they're mostly pixmap. People like eyecandy. No, I don't have a problem with pixmap themes not being included. I don't use them anymore anyway because of cairo's slow rendering and I'm not old. I'm not new butathlon xp 1900, 512mb ram, nvidia gf mx440 64mb agp. Sad that something like this can't use pixmap themes. Very sad indeed. 2006/5/2, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2) earth tones? I think that should also come from the 3 community themes. Some people just want a simple, bland, gray desktop without any color, so shouldn't that be an option that is available by default? Smooth-gray from Smooth9? http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/gtk/Smooth9-gray.png ...or is the what we are trying to avoid? ...simple, bland, gray desktop without any color? Mark? 6) Agreed. If I am understanding you correctly, it's what I wanted to see in Breezy http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/theme/devel/Human-Metathemes.png The issue with the metacity theme is not much of an issue IMO. Most of the current default gnome themes do not function correctly anyway and have bad flaws.Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That is not an excuse. Windows without buttons show up from time to time, and it just feels unpolished and Dapper is all about polish.I have never seen a window without a button. You must either use bad third party apps or a strange/custon button layout. For those that do not know what we are talking about.http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/mcity/BlendedSmallSquare.pngThis is nothing compared to the errors in the current default themes which do not follow basic logic/common sense, or fitts law. Not that mine are perfect. I'm not a fitts law freak. 2006/5/2, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The menubar problem is one the gdk>gtk=xul apps need to work out quickly. As a themer I do not worry about the bad apps. There's no reason they can not be pure gtk like the other 99.99% of apps.Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For theming in general I agree. However, this is long-term-support distro - if there are inconsistensies on the desktop, it has to be sorted out. If the only thing we can do in due time is to hack the theme, then I think we should accept that.Point is, it can not be hacked, can it? I don't know how, do you? I'd bet there's a way but...where's devel? It IS NOT an inconsistency in the theme, it is an inconsistency is bad/lazy coded, minority apps that are not true gtk apps.I don't say this for just my themes, but for SandSkater as well. Don't diss the menubar or theme because of 2 apps! I don't have oo installed and haven't for over 1.5 years. I use real world, working, compliant apps for that suff. Yes, MS. I only have firefox installed to ensure my themes are usable, not perfect. Their usage of gdk is not acceptable!!! 2006/5/2, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What contrast, where in Smooth9? Green Smooth9? gPerfect-flat or japan-flat? Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry for being unclear, it was this one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/34670-2.pngThere are 10 themes in that pack. That is just the screenie of the ui. The contrast is low on that one, but how about Hedgehog, Serinity, Breathe, Etiquette? They have a lot more contrast. 2006/5/2, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Unity buttons came from the default theme for xfce (4.2?) because it was a port to gnome. I think they are fine. That said, I personally prefer to use the Gentle metacity theme which came from the same. Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Gentle metacity theme is pretty cool. However - as is also true for Blended* and Human - it's a tad on the slow side, all taking over 20 ms to render on my box (use metacity-theme-viewer to benchmark). Generally metacity sucks at gradients as far as my research goes.Hey, this isn't xubuntu, or the proposed fubuntu, or any other liteweight, whatever. It's gnome. Metacity is fine. Kill nautilus if you have speed issues. That's
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
2006/5/2, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Most Important things first (in random order):1) I generally think we should avoid pixmap themes all together. They bring my box to its knees :-S, I will not comment on them here. 2) I think that all included themes should have some kind of Ubuntu feel to it. Not entirely brown or orange necesarily, but maybe a hint... In some cases green can do the trick too. 3) I think we should put suggestions on some wikipages 4) Please put screenshot links in your mails/wikipages like bvc just did5) Suggesting a wallpaper in the theme is a nice to touch to make a complete experience. I think all themes should do that [1]. 6) A theme should not be included just because its cool. It should compliment the other themes nicely, providing a coherent set of _different_ themes.To address your list1) I think any pixmap themes should come from the other 3 community themes. Please plese, no pixmap themes. They may look shiny, but I believe them to be one of the core things that make people say that Gnome is unresponsive. Dapper is feeling snappy right now, let's keep it that way :-) 2) earth tones? I think that should also come from the 3 community themes. Some people just want a simple, bland, gray desktop without any color, so shouldn't that be an option that is available by default? Smooth-gray from Smooth9? http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/gtk/Smooth9-gray.png...or is the what we are trying to avoid? ...simple, bland, gray desktop without any color? Mark? 6) Agreed. If I am understanding you correctly, it's what I wanted to see in Breezy http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/theme/devel/Human-Metathemes.pngThe issue with the metacity theme is not much of an issue IMO. Most of the current default gnome themes do not function correctly anyway and have bad flaws.That is not an excuse. Windows without buttons show up from time to time, and it just feels unpolished and Dapper is all about polish. The menubar problem is one the gdk>gtk=xul apps need to work out quickly. As a themer I do not worry about the bad apps. There's no reason they can not be pure gtk like the other 99.99% of apps.For theming in general I agree. However, this is long-term-support distro - if there are inconsistensies on the desktop, it has to be sorted out. If the only thing we can do in due time is to hack the theme, then I think we should accept that. What contrast, where in Smooth9?Green Smooth9? gPerfect-flat or japan-flat? Sorry for being unclear, it was this one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/34670-2.png The Unity buttons came from the default theme for xfce (4.2?) because it was a port to gnome. I think they are fine. That said, I personally prefer to use the Gentle metacity theme which came from the same. The Gentle metacity theme is pretty cool. However - as is also true for Blended* and Human - it's a tad on the slow side, all taking over 20 ms to render on my box (use metacity-theme-viewer to benchmark). Generally metacity sucks at gradients as far as my research goes. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Most Important things first (in random order):1) I generally think we should avoid pixmap themes all together. They bring my box to its knees :-S, I will not comment on them here.2) I think that all included themes should have some kind of Ubuntu feel to it. Not entirely brown or orange necesarily, but maybe a hint... In some cases green can do the trick too. 3) I think we should put suggestions on some wikipages4) Please put screenshot links in your mails/wikipages like bvc just did5) Suggesting a wallpaper in the theme is a nice to touch to make a complete experience. I think all themes should do that [1]. 6) A theme should not be included just because its cool. It should compliment the other themes nicely, providing a coherent set of _different_ themes.Now for some comments:> BVC on 01/05/2006> Smooth Blended> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=35841 > screenshot> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/35841-1.png > these look good with the BlendedSmallSquare metacity theme, as seen in the screenshots aboveThere is a problem with the metacity theme in that screenie (which I also encountered with SandSkater) - namely that window borders without buttons show an "empty" button where buttons would have been. You can check this with the metacity-theme-viewer command under the "Buttons Layout" tab. One more problem you have in Firefox and OOo where the menubar text is not white (but black) making it hard to read (and inconsistent with the rest of the desktop) - I had the exact same problem in SandSkater too. Besides these to things I really like the Smooth-* themes...Specifically on Smooth9, I think it might do good with a little more contrast for my olde eyes, using the flat metacity theme it might do good as a "flat" theme (again like SandkSkater). The green color could do it as the "Ubuntu touch" to me. > For metacity themes I'll again be bias and suggest;> Unity> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32167 > screenshots> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/32167-1.png > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/32167-2.png> > SystemGXF > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32169>screenshot > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/32169-1.pngRegarding the metacity themes Unity and and System*, I think that the buttons in Unity are to flat. The System* themes look more profesional. [1]: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/ThemingTricks on how to do that.To address your list1) I think any pixmap themes should come from the other 3 community themes.2) earth tones? I think that should also come from the 3 community themes. Some people just want a simple, bland, gray desktop without any color, so shouldn't that be an option that is available by default? Smooth-gray from Smooth9?http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/gtk/Smooth9-gray.png...or is the what we are trying to avoid? ...simple, bland, gray desktop without any color? Mark?6) Agreed. If I am understanding you correctly, it's what I wanted to see in Breezyhttp://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/theme/devel/Human-Metathemes.pngThe issue with the metacity theme is not much of an issue IMO. Most of the current default gnome themes do not function correctly anyway and have bad flaws.The menubar problem is one the gdk>gtk=xul apps need to work out quickly. As a themer I do not worry about the bad apps. There's no reason they can not be pure gtk like the other 99.99% of apps. I do know a gtk firefox is in the works though. Then I may use it.What contrast, where in Smooth9?Green Smooth9? gPerfect-flat or japan-flat?The Unity buttons came from the default theme for xfce (4.2?) because it was a port to gnome. I think they are fine. That said, I personally prefer to use the Gentle metacity theme which came from the same.Thanks for the feedback! Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
These are very classy, particularly the smooth-blended one. Pascal, can you organise a good process to pick two or three? Or does someone else want to do that if Pascal is still in the leadup to exams? These are great themes and I think Dapper could benefit by cleaning out some of the current ones in there by default in favour of two of these. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: Most Important things first (in random order): 1) I generally think we should avoid pixmap themes all together. They bring my box to its knees :-S, I will not comment on them here. 2) I think that all included themes should have some kind of Ubuntu feel to it. Not entirely brown or orange necesarily, but maybe a hint... In some cases green can do the trick too. 3) I think we should put suggestions on some wikipages 4) Please put screenshot links in your mails/wikipages like bvc just did 5) Suggesting a wallpaper in the theme is a nice to touch to make a complete experience. I think all themes should do that [1]. 6) A theme should not be included just because its cool. It should compliment the other themes nicely, providing a coherent set of _different_ themes. 7) Having a matching theme for kde perhaps? There is a lot of nice apps written in qt. - Andreas -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
Most Important things first (in random order):1) I generally think we should avoid pixmap themes all together. They bring my box to its knees :-S, I will not comment on them here.2) I think that all included themes should have some kind of Ubuntu feel to it. Not entirely brown or orange necesarily, but maybe a hint... In some cases green can do the trick too. 3) I think we should put suggestions on some wikipages4) Please put screenshot links in your mails/wikipages like bvc just did5) Suggesting a wallpaper in the theme is a nice to touch to make a complete experience. I think all themes should do that [1]. 6) A theme should not be included just because its cool. It should compliment the other themes nicely, providing a coherent set of _different_ themes.Now for some comments:> BVC on 01/05/2006> Smooth Blended> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=35841 > screenshot> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/35841-1.png > these look good with the BlendedSmallSquare metacity theme, as seen in the screenshots aboveThere is a problem with the metacity theme in that screenie (which I also encountered with SandSkater) - namely that window borders without buttons show an "empty" button where buttons would have been. You can check this with the metacity-theme-viewer command under the "Buttons Layout" tab. One more problem you have in Firefox and OOo where the menubar text is not white (but black) making it hard to read (and inconsistent with the rest of the desktop) - I had the exact same problem in SandSkater too. Besides these to things I really like the Smooth-* themes...Specifically on Smooth9, I think it might do good with a little more contrast for my olde eyes, using the flat metacity theme it might do good as a "flat" theme (again like SandkSkater). The green color could do it as the "Ubuntu touch" to me. > For metacity themes I'll again be bias and suggest;> Unity> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32167 > screenshots> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/32167-1.png > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/32167-2.png> > SystemGXF > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32169>screenshot > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/32169-1.pngRegarding the metacity themes Unity and and System*, I think that the buttons in Unity are to flat. The System* themes look more profesional. [1]: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/ThemingTricks on how to do that. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
Hi! just my 2 cent: gnome-look favourites people like MacOS-Themes, there are a bunch of them: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28686 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19714 my choice of those themes: GtkTheme=AquaExtremeSunken MetacityTheme=ale-panther_gtk2 IconTheme=Gnome-Apple Screenshot=http://www.poweroftwo.de/mac-os_themed_ubuntu.jpg like new redmond's thing: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32459 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=33039 (the smaller one) GtkTheme=Vista-Gray MetacityTheme=VistaRoundedFocusSmall IconTheme=Tango Simply_white http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=34960 GtkTheme=Simply_white MetacityTheme=Simply_white IconTheme=Tango br, Sven -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
Mark Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: bvc wrote: How did we go from three to TWO? I'm talking about external themes (things that exist in the Gnome world, like Gorilla and Mist etc which are high quality but not part of the Ubuntu project). At the moment we have a couple of themes in there as options by default, but I think you guys could pick much better ones than the current list: - Clearlooks (this should stay, it's great) - Crux - Glider - Grand Canyon - Mist - Ocean Dream - Simple - Smokey Blue - Traditional Other than clearlooks, consider them all optional and figure out between you which TWO we should ship along with Human. Then we can have THREE community-contributed ones. If we can't actually get three community-contributed ubuntu ones, then pick THREE from Gnome-look. and How can we vote when there's only one commited theme (SandSkater)? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/AdditionalThemes?highlight=%28theme%29 ...and it isn't even close to being default quality IMO. Is the mist engine installed by default? I've had this install since warty-beta so I do not know. Ah, well, if we can't get more from u-art then we should just make sure we pick and ship the best of what is already out there. Can you guys organise that? Mark Thank you for clearing that up!.The only one I think could be worthy of remaining in the list above is Glider (with a 1px trough border instead of 2px) but I think SmoothGnome is better (also with a 1px trough border instead of 2px).Other than that it is hard for me to make any suggestions because of my bias in gnome themes. Since no one else will make any suggestions, I will go ahead and be bias and suggest something of mine from the smooth-engine.Smooth Blendedhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=35841screenshothttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/35841-1.pngthese look good with the BlendedSmallSquare metacity theme, as seen in the screenshots abovehttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=35277http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/35277-1.jpgSmooth-Pastel (it also comes in flat)http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=35727screenshotshttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/35727-1.jpghttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/35727-2.jpgSomething from Smooth9 (which also has a metacity theme)http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=34670screenshotshttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/34670-1.pnghttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/34670-2.pngI also have some simple, color mods of the Simple theme to ditch the blue and the white menuitem. They use the thinice engine, which is very light and fast.Some of the current themes are pixmap so if that is an option there's the current popular Candidohttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=35812screenshothttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/35812-2.jpgwhich I personally can't use because of the lack of contrast but people seem to like it a lot.Gentle was suggested on the wiki's additional themes but I'd need to do some touchup on it, which is no problem at all.http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=35516screenshothttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/35516-2.pngOther pixmap themes could be(though I have never used them except to check them out);VistaButhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32227screenshothttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/32227-1.jpgPlatinUmhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=33112screenshothttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/33112-1.pngFor metacity themes I'll again be bias and suggest;Unityhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32167screenshotshttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/32167-1.pnghttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre2/32167-2.pngSystemGXFhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32169screenshothttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/32169-1.pngI won't make any excuses for my bias since no one else has commented and since I have spent a lot of time trying to ensure that everything works as it should in my themes, which is usually not the case. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
bvc wrote: How did we go from three to TWO? I'm talking about external themes (things that exist in the Gnome world, like Gorilla and Mist etc which are high quality but not part of the Ubuntu project). At the moment we have a couple of themes in there as options by default, but I think you guys could pick much better ones than the current list: - Clearlooks (this should stay, it's great) - Crux - Glider - Grand Canyon - Mist - Ocean Dream - Simple - Smokey Blue - Traditional Other than clearlooks, consider them all optional and figure out between you which TWO we should ship along with Human. Then we can have THREE community-contributed ones. If we can't actually get three community-contributed ubuntu ones, then pick THREE from Gnome-look. and How can we vote when there's only one commited theme (SandSkater)? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/AdditionalThemes?highlight=%28theme%29 ...and it isn't even close to being default quality IMO. Is the mist engine installed by default? I've had this install since warty-beta so I do not know. Ah, well, if we can't get more from u-art then we should just make sure we pick and ship the best of what is already out there. Can you guys organise that? Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
2006/4/29, bvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: �tienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, > OK, so in addition to the internal development, can we ask the art > team to vote for the top TWO only existing themes that should be in > there with Human?We might also consider a theme for less resources computer such as SandSkater.�tienne.How did we go from three to TWO?andHow can we vote when there's only one commited theme (SandSkater)? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/AdditionalThemes?highlight=%28theme%29...and it isn't even close to being default quality IMO. Is the mist engine installed by default? I've had this install since warty-beta so I do not know. I ran into some problems with SandSkater, and the whole theme-fuzz seemed to go out of the list at some point, and frankly I lost my motivation on lack of feedback (also, some serious stuff happened in my personal life at that time, so ubuntu-art is not all to blame). I think Silicon is nice https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Silicon?highlight=%28silicon%29but it isn't commited, and it uses ubuntulooks. Not that I have a problem with that. I proposed a few ubuntulooks schemes but no one commented. I'm sorry that I have not found time to revier your themes bvc - especially because you are very kind with your feedback yourself - but real life has made 95% of my foss activities come to a grinding halt. I mean, what exaclty are we looking for? A pure gtk theme (no engine)? Some would probably appreciate that in a newer color scheme than the old gray and dull blue. What's wrong with the smooth engine? Other than the fact that one hasn't been proposed?What engines are currently installed by default? Don't forget to remove the ones that go with the themes you remove. They are old and outdated anyway, and can be installed from another packages if people want them. It is a pain the scroll through so many unused metathemes to find one you want. If you deleted them you get them back next update, so yes, please remove most of the old default themes and engines. I can't even say I haven't used them in a long time, because I have never, ever , used them and don't know anyone who has. All the useless metathemes is the reason I have never used the metatheme feature. It would be a great feature if there were several tasteful metathemes to choose from and you didn't have to scroll through so many bad ones. My words.The whole theme state of affairs is a bit sad imo. We really had some momentum at some point, but it seemed to fade out. I really put some energy into it - setting up wiki pages and commiting a few themes my self, but I felt that I was overdoing it since people never really bought into it. I really hope we can polish up the theme side of dapper.Cheers,Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
�tienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello,> OK, so in addition to the internal development, can we ask the art > team to vote for the top TWO only existing themes that should be in > there with Human?We might also consider a theme for less resources computer such as SandSkater.�tienne.How did we go from three to TWO?andHow can we vote when there's only one commited theme (SandSkater)?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/AdditionalThemes?highlight=%28theme%29...and it isn't even close to being default quality IMO. Is the mist engine installed by default? I've had this install since warty-beta so I do not know.I think Silicon is nicehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Silicon?highlight=%28silicon%29but it isn't commited, and it uses ubuntulooks. Not that I have a problem with that. I proposed a few ubuntulooks schemes but no one commented.I mean, what exaclty are we looking for? A pure gtk theme (no engine)? Some would probably appreciate that in a newer color scheme than the old gray and dull blue.What's wrong with the smooth engine? Other than the fact that one hasn't been proposed?What engines are currently installed by default? Don't forget to remove the ones that go with the themes you remove. They are old and outdated anyway, and can be installed from another packages if people want them. It is a pain the scroll through so many unused metathemes to find one you want. If you deleted them you get them back next update, so yes, please remove most of the old default themes and engines. I can't even say I haven't used them in a long time, because I have never, ever , used them and don't know anyone who has. All the useless metathemes is the reason I have never used the metatheme feature. It would be a great feature if there were several tasteful metathemes to choose from and you didn't have to scroll through so many bad ones.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
Hello, OK, so in addition to the internal development, can we ask the art team to vote for the top TWO only existing themes that should be in there with Human? We might also consider a theme for less resources computer such as SandSkater. Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Default themes
On 4/24/06, Mark Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, so in addition to the internal development, can we ask the art team to > vote for the top TWO only existing themes that should be in there with > Human? I packaged up the gPerfection^2 theme a while back. Its complete and I have always liked it and always use it on my workstations. The packages are in universe... gnome-icon-theme-gperfection2 - icon theme for GTK+ 2.x gtk-clearlooks-gperfection2-theme - gtk theme for the clearlooks engine These might be worth considering. More gPerfection artwork can be found on with a simple search on gnome-look.org. Matt -- Matt T. Galvin mgalvin on irc.freenode.net http://people.simplifiedcomplexity.com/~mgalvin/ Ubuntu Documentation Team Member -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
