Re: Graphics Card Issue

[andremangan]

1.  Try the monitor with another computer.  If it does not work, it has
ended its useful life.
2.  Swap the connecting cable with another cable either analogue or digital
- the 7600 GS should have both sockets.  If it does not work, your graphics
card may be at fault.
3.  Connect the monitor to computer cable to the motherboard VGA connection
and bypass the graphics card.

If your monitor displays a "no signal" message then your monitor is OK and
the remaining culprits are your connecting cable and your graphics card.

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Re: On Bugs and Linux Quality

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| Surely your not saying Debian stable has "faster adoption" then Red Hat
| EL? Or were you refering to release turn around time?

I know very few people who use Debian Stable at a desktop level.  Most
(including myself) use Debian Testing or Unstable, as it moves much
faster and provides much quicker downstream updates.

About the only place I've seen Debian Stable used in abundance is on
firewalls, servers, or on "install and forget" systems like high
performance clusters that are not connected to the internet, where a
solid, reliable base is needed to build on, and no "unknown factor"
updates/patches should be installed at a later date so as not to break
things or force service restarts.

Debian Stable is certainly more akin to RHEL.  But I tell you with no
surprise that RedHat have announced publicly on many occasions that the
desktop doesn't interest them in the slightest, and they are still
focussed on the server.  Compare and contrast to SuSE and Ubuntu who
have a much higher share of the Linux desktop market, and who both move
much quicker with their official releases.

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Re: On Bugs and Linux Quality

[Karl Goetz]

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 21:19 +1000, Dave Hall wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 20:35 +1000, Null Ack wrote:
> > Daniel with respect, I did not mean to present that the solution to
> > improving the quality of GNU/Linux is for centralised control.

trim
 
> > I dont see proper release management stifling any freedoms in FOSS
> > projects. It just means having a proper quality standard before bits
> > are declared stable and ready for production. I greatly enjoy Ubuntu,
> > over all other distro's Ive tried (Arch, OpenSuse, Fedora) but I am
> > certainly not the only person Ive seen sharing their views that
> > arbitary time based releases arent condusive to good software.
> 
> I have been watching this thread, and many like it over the years.  Yes
> it would be nice if the quality of GNU/Linux distros improved, but I
> don't demand that.
> 
> Lets take a look at the situation.  You are getting a complete operating
> system for free (as in liberty and beer).  It comes with a warranty -
> see clause 15 of the GPL [1].  Vendors (including canonical/ubuntu)
> honour the warranty offered by upstream.
> 

For those playing at home that refers to GPL3. Its clause 11 in GPL2
(which Linux and a huge chunk of the free software world are using).

> This is the free software movement at work.  No one makes you use the
> code we produce (yes I am a FOSS developer).  No one can make us fix our
> bugs.  This is the risk you take when you use our code.  I don't lose
> any sleep if someone does or doesn't use my code.  If someone demands
> that I fix a bug or else , I mentally put it to the
> bottom of the pile.

I suspect unless you have a good SLA with your proprietary software
vendor you get the same treatment :)

> 
> For the flip side, lets look at a proprietary development model.  I have
> picked the easiet one - Windows.  Windows 98 didn't support USB mass
> storage and support for it was never included, last I checked you
> couldn't install onto a SATA drive without a _boot floppy_ and looks

I assume you were refering to Win9x/NT5.x?

> unlikely to ever be fixed.  It took until SP2 for XP to come anywhere
> close to getting half decent security.  Many vendors took months to get
> their drivers right for Vista.  The list of fundamental flaws with
> various versions of Windows is extensive.  This is a product shipped by
> the biggest software company on the planet.

> 
> I must say that Dapper was the highlight for me in terms of stable
> desktop releases.  I have found that recently the rush to include the

I'm willing to bet the extra 2 months had a good deal to do with it.
(Personally, i found Dapper to be the last of the rock solid ubuntu
releases).

> latest and greatest while still hitting a target date isn't the best
> approach.  I hope that the next LTS release is more an attempt to polish

It does allow you to go LOOKATUSBLING!, which seems to be "where its at"
for promoting desktops atm.
> Cheers
> 
> Dave
> 
> [1] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
> [2] http://preview.tinyurl.com/dnqgs
> 
> 

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Re: Graphics Card Issue

[James Collier]

Hi Matthew,
I've come across this exact same problem on both my old dev machines! It
only happens rarely and I havn't had a chance to work out why it's
happening yet.
Obviously it has NOTHING to do with Xorg (as you said) because:
1. the monitor displays the "no signal" message
2. You're running XP.
Diagnosis: Graphics card, as you correctly identified!

A work around I found, this may be a problem if you havn't a spare card,
is just swap the card with another machine.
A good dust can't hurt, but I doubt it'll fix the problem.
I suspect it's a BIOS settings issue (or a buggy BIOS).

Good luck,

James

On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 19:06 +1000, Matthew Rossi wrote:
> Hi everyone.  For some reason nothing will come up on my screen when i
> use my old computer.  It was working before, the cables are connected
> properly, and it's a 7600 GS.  Does anyone have any ideas?
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Re: On Bugs and Linux Quality

[Karl Goetz]

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 20:35 +1000, Null Ack wrote:
> Daniel with respect, I did not mean to present that the solution to
> improving the quality of GNU/Linux is for centralised control.
> 
> However, people are in control of aspects of Linux - such as release

The way you start out with "control aspects of Linux" makes it hard to
take this seriously, because we have already covered that its not one
big group/org.
Some free software projects release with bugs - thats life. So does
proprietary software.

>  decisions about key sub systems, or release decisions as it relates
> to Distros. These decision makers have the power to conform, or not to
> conform as some unfortunately choose, to decades old principles to do
> with what consitutes an alpha, beta or production release.

[trim the rest]
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Re: On Bugs and Linux Quality

[Karl Goetz]

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 19:53 +1000, Daniel Mons wrote:
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> Blindraven wrote:
> | *shrug*
> |
> | I agree fully with the op.

trim

> It should be mentioned that a common criticism of RedHat Enterprise
> Linux is that it moves quite slowly.  They are slow to adopt new
> features, and are extremely conservative when it comes to making
> changes.  The upside of course is that upgrades are predictable and that
> sudden changes in the system that will break things are unlikely.  I
> prefer Ubuntu (and Debian) simply for their faster adoption of new
> features, and their brilliant "APT" package manager.  But again, the
> downside of a fast-moving system is the occasional software hiccup.

Surely your not saying Debian stable has "faster adoption" then Red Hat
EL? Or were you refering to release turn around time?
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Re: On Bugs and Linux Quality

[Karl Goetz]

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 18:22 +1000, Steve Lindsay wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Null Ack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Linux needs to have less scatterbrain behaviour where half done things are
> > left and the chaos moves forward to the next semi complete feature. It needs
> > to consolidate and have a unified effort to really work on stability and bug
> > fixing.
> >
> 
> The word "needs" needs to be banned.

Stallman has suggested "GNU/Linux" as an alternative ;)
kk

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Re: On Bugs and Linux Quality

[Karl Goetz]

On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:03 +1000, Null Ack wrote:
> Slawek having been on the tender process for numerous Government
> contracts (both inside in the Government and outside in vendors) the
> key pros / cons for Linux I see are:
> 
> 1. Pro - reduced TCO
> 2. Pro - easy sell for servers
> 3. Con - hard sell for desktops. I did not see anything particularly
> solid in preventing this - its more a lack of understanding. Im sure
> some areas really could not do without Office but most that make this

I find it less confusing to call "Office" "Microsoft office". helps
destinguish from [star,open,gnome,kde]office :)
kk

>  claim are in my experience wrong about OpenOffice capabilities. Some
> sites have custom .net apps running so it would be critical that Mono
> or some equiviliant really worked. Actually I dont really understand
> all the whining about Mono as I understand that is is now an open
> standard and not a MS standard? Theres probably going to be the
> occasional legacy app written on the win32 application platform that
> doesnt play nice with Linux. What we did on one project where all the
> infrastructure was replaced was to have a few citrix sessions running
> legacy apps - for some reason they didnt want virtualisation for
> desktop apps.

I dont remember who said it, but i find the quote "The biggest cost of
proprietary software is migrating away from it" (something like that
anyway) quite relevent. Not very helpful when "selling" gnu/linux, but
still relevent.
kk

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Re: On Bugs and Linux Quality

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Slawek Drabot wrote:

| Choice is great. However we need to ask ourselves if we really need 20
different media players, for example, instead of 3 or 4 really good ones?
|
| The nature of open source means that there are always more bugs than
resources to fix them and therefore the tendancy for spawning new
projects in response to shortfalls in another. I'm quite happy to live
with this arrangement when using open source in the home, but I see this
as a big obstacle for commercial/corporate adoption.

I don't agree.  Open source is very organic and very Darwinian: the
strong survive, and the weak fail.  Yes, there are dozens of
spreadsheeting and word processing software options, but only OpenOffice
is making serious in-roads into corporate adoption.

Similarly, there are hundreds of distros available.  Speaking purely
from the desktop perspective, I've only ever seen 2 in operation in the
corporate world (RedHat and SuSE), and on other in use in the
commercial/non-corporate world (Ubuntu).  The dozens of fly-by-night
distros out there don't make it, because they don't have the backing
needed by industry.


|  Let's face it, the pointy haired bosses struggle with making a
decision when faced with 2 or 3 options. Expand that to 20 and beyond
and we have decision deadlock.

Speaking as someone who makes a living implementing free software in
businesses, I have not once in my entire career given a PHB-type 20
different options.  Anyone who has even the slightest clue understands
that of eh 20 different options, only 1 or 2 of them are serious
contenders for the particular need at hand.  Sure, there are hundreds of
network file systems.  Only Samba is a real contender in an network full
of Microsoft desktops.  Sure, there are hundreds of email clients.  Only
one of them (Evolution) is a contender if there's an MS Exchange server
in house.  And if you're using generic IMAP, you'd be mad to use use
Claws, Mutt, or any of the other dozens of mail clients.  Only Evolution
and Thunderbird are worth your time.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that the 20 different options are
your disposal are ALL contenders.  If you want to start pushing hobbiest
homebrew software infront of corporate types, you dig your own grave.
Open source covers an enormous range and quality of software - some of
which is professional and polished, some of which is rubbish.

What irks me about this mindset is that the same happens in the
proprietary world.  I can name for you dozens of image editing
applications, all of which are proprietary.  When architecting a graphic
design studio, would I give all of them as options to the business
owner?  Hell no.  They'd get the top 3 in the market (Photoshop, Corel,
Xara) as options, and they could pick from there.  No need for them to
see every single low-end, niche or hobbiest bit of crap on the market.

Ditto for open source.  The above makes the assumption that "just
because it's in the package manager, it's a viable option on the
desktop".  Tell me: when was the last time you installed all 27,000
packages available to Ubuntu users via APT?  Answer: never.  You pick
and choose the ones that work.  Same goes for the proprietary world.
Software is near infinite in choice and range, yet nobody claims that it
freaks out PHBs when faced with hundreds of choices of proprietary software.

Just because it exists at all, doesn't mean you have to install, use, or
even consider it.

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Re: On Bugs and Linux Quality

[Slawek Drabot]

Daniel Morrison:
"I have had similiar experiences to what you describe but surely this 
is what free software is all about! Choice.

If you are concerned about stability and showstopper bugs, choose 
Debian, RHEL, etc.

If you are concerned about bleeding edge functionality and hardware 
support, choose Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.

And don't forget to file those bug reports :-)

cheers

danm"


Choice is great. However we need to ask ourselves if we really need 20 
different media players, for example, instead of 3 or 4 really good ones?

The nature of open source means that there are always more bugs than resources 
to fix them and therefore the tendancy for spawning new projects in response to 
shortfalls in another. I'm quite happy to live with this arrangement when using 
open source in the home, but I see this as a big obstacle for 
commercial/corporate adoption. 

Let's face it, the pointy haired bosses struggle with making a decision when 
faced with 2 or 3 options. Expand that to 20 and beyond and we have decision 
deadlock.


  

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Re: Graphics Card Issue

[Null Ack]

Are you sure you used the xorg conf I provided? It wont load the nv
driver? Whats x say in the logs?

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Re: Graphics Card Issue

[Matthew Rossi]

I'm considering doing a complete dusting of the computer.  Maybe that might
help.

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Null Ack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here ya go, use this xorg.conf it should get your up and happening on
> the NV driver. Then uninstall envy to clean it all out
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Re: Graphics Card Issue

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Here ya go, use this xorg.conf it should get your up and happening on
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Re: Graphics Card Issue

[Matthew Rossi]

I am unable to give you an xorg file.

I'll make a correction.  It's my old computer that my family uses.  It runs
xp.  I suspect there is a problem with the actual graphics card as it
happened to an ATi card that I had in the past.  Maybe the computer needs a
dusting inside...

When i got the 7600 GS i also had to get a new 500 Watt power supply so it
would work to it's full potential.

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Michael Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  Power supply problems. (my guess)
>
> I have a NVIDIA GeForce 7600 and I had to get a beefer power supply in the
> end.
>
> I have two computers like that. Very tricky problem to debug, if that's
> your problem
>
> Mike Ritter.
>
>
>  --
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:27:46 +1000
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Graphics Card Issue
> CC: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
>
>
> Hehe.  No I don't think that's the case because the monitor comes up with
> No Signal
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Bevin Watson <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 19:06 +1000, Matthew Rossi wrote:
> > Hi everyone.  For some reason nothing will come up on my screen when i
> > use my old computer.  It was working before, the cables are connected
> > properly, and it's a 7600 GS.  Does anyone have any ideas?
> >
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> >
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> This happened to me the other day.  Took me an hour to discover the kids
> had turned the brightness down on my monitor.
>
>
>
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RE: Graphics Card Issue

[Michael Ritter]

Power supply problems. (my guess)
 
I have a NVIDIA GeForce 7600 and I had to get a beefer power supply in the end.
 
I have two computers like that. Very tricky problem to debug, if that's your 
problem
 
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Re: Graphics Card Issue

[Null Ack]

Youll need to post xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log for needed details. Youll
get a quicker fix for this if you do a bit of investigation yourself
:) Just trawl through the log and see what X is doing.

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Re: Graphics Card Issue

[Matthew Rossi]

Hehe.  No I don't think that's the case because the monitor comes up with No
Signal

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Bevin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 19:06 +1000, Matthew Rossi wrote:
> > Hi everyone.  For some reason nothing will come up on my screen when i
> > use my old computer.  It was working before, the cables are connected
> > properly, and it's a 7600 GS.  Does anyone have any ideas?
> >
> > --
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> >
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> This happened to me the other day.  Took me an hour to discover the kids
> had turned the brightness down on my monitor.
>
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Re: Graphics Card Issue

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On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 19:06 +1000, Matthew Rossi wrote:
> Hi everyone.  For some reason nothing will come up on my screen when i
> use my old computer.  It was working before, the cables are connected
> properly, and it's a 7600 GS.  Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Graphics Card Issue

[Matthew Rossi]

Hi everyone.  For some reason nothing will come up on my screen when i use
my old computer.  It was working before, the cables are connected properly,
and it's a 7600 GS.  Does anyone have any ideas?

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