Re: xubuntu upgrade/install

2008-11-02 Thread Sebastian Spiess
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Daniel Mons wrote:
 Sebastian Spiess wrote:
 So donwloaded live CD and booted from it and it always gets stuck whith 
 'starting GNOME desktop manager'
 
 I've had a few people tell me the same, and upon investigation the
 system did eventually get into GNOME, but could take upwards of half an
 hour to get there due to slow CPU speed and low RAM.
 
 While LiveCDs are a nice idea, they are not practical for low-RAM
 systems.  My advice is to use the Alternate installer instead.  FWIW,
 I use this installer even on high-RAM systems for two major reasons:
 
 1) It's much faster.  A full install can sometimes be done in the time
 it takes the LiveCD GUI installer just to boot to the desktop!
 
 2) It also offers advanced disk setup options like RAID, LVM and
 Encrypted LVM (a must for laptop users).  These can be done
 automatically by the installer (good for new users wanting advanced
 features), manually by hand (good for us old greybeards who know exactly
 what we want), or skipped altogether for simple partitioning.
 
 It is not difficult to use.  There's no mouse input, but menus are
 driven via ncurses (a quasi GUI system for console), and all options are
 selectable with the keyboard arrows.  Don't fear the Alternate installer
 just because it's not mouse driven.
 
 I tried different things for booting the machine
 vga=792 - this was needed in gutsy
 nosplash... to see what is happening
 fully live cd
 live cd with graphics compatibility (or whatever it is called) mode selected 
 (F4 during boot)

 
 vga=normal is the way to set a standard text/non-framebuffer mode on
 standard PC hardware.  Also remove the quiet option to see more stuff
 happening (in conjunction with nosplash, which you use already).
 
 -Dan
 

Hi Dan,

I had the same thought that the alternate intaller would be better.

Well, the installation went without problems - some things took a while but 
still.
After the installation the reboot got stuck at the same spot again - 'starting 
GNOME displ manager' - as you suggested I
let it run for ... more than 20min. Although the fan went on once in a while 
the notebook seemed rather idle the whole time.

the strange thing is I have another even older and lower spec dell notebook 
which I upgraded from hardy to intrepid
beta/rc/.. - slow sometimes but no problems here...

Could it be that on the first start there is some lengthy hardware 
detection/config file thing going on?

seb
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2008-11-02 Thread david
Hi all
 Thank you very much for the many responses to my questions. I now have
lots of info to check out.
 regards david


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Re: Ubuntu in Western Australia

2008-11-02 Thread Christopher Lees
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 Any one over in this part of the world ?
 Australia seems teh poorer relation as not much I can find since May 2007
 
 regards Phil
 
 WA

I'm also from WA. If you need anything, give me a hoy.

Chris


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Re: xubuntu upgrade/install

2008-11-02 Thread Daniel Mons
Sebastian Spiess wrote:
 Hi Dan,
 
 I had the same thought that the alternate intaller would be better.
 
 Well, the installation went without problems - some things took a while but 
 still.
 After the installation the reboot got stuck at the same spot again - 
 'starting GNOME displ manager' - as you suggested I
 let it run for ... more than 20min. Although the fan went on once in a while 
 the notebook seemed rather idle the whole time.
 
 the strange thing is I have another even older and lower spec dell notebook 
 which I upgraded from hardy to intrepid
 beta/rc/.. - slow sometimes but no problems here...
 
 Could it be that on the first start there is some lengthy hardware 
 detection/config file thing going on?

It sounds more like there's a mismatch between the driver Xorg is
selecting and your actual hardware.

You can get back to a terminal/tty from X by pressing CTRL+ALT+F1, and
then logging in with your credentials from there.  Have a look at the
file /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if there are any notable error
messages, particularly towards the end.

If it makes no sense to you, post it to the list and I'll have a look
over it.

-Dan

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Re: OK to ignore Evolution updates?

2008-11-02 Thread Paul Gear
David wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I don't use Evolution or Thunderbird. Is it OK for me to ignore (not
 install) the updates that Ubuntu's update manager lists?

If you don't use either, it's far better to remove them from your
system, although i think in the case of Evolution you can't do this
without breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package.

Even if you don't use software, it still represents a risk (albeit a
lower one) if it is installed on your system.  I would suggest removing
Thunderbird and updating Evolution whenever a security update is
released.  I usually configure my systems to automatically apply
security updates.

Paul


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