Bug 1
Free Software and its users [1]. It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). As for Bug #1 we are failing and failing immensely. Windows XP is easy and compatible. Its comfortable, it's nice and friendly I know where everything is (ok I don't, but I can find it). XP has been on the market for over 10 years and still very useable. We don't release Ubuntu and keep a basic, easy user interface. We go whiz bang flash trashy and scare people away. We don't spend a year testing and perfecting our ease of use, our Humanity (our Ubuntu). We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's Colin McD -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Just a small thing
I was just having a look through my .bashrc file, as one does, and noticed that it has pointers to file locations that don't exist anymore like: # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc) # for examples Would fixing this small detail (ie: removing the line from the file) get dealt with through launchpad? Andrew -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Just a small thing
On 9 April 2011 23:37, Andrew and...@powter.net.au wrote: I was just having a look through my .bashrc file, as one does, and noticed that it has pointers to file locations that don't exist anymore like: # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc) # for examples Would fixing this small detail (ie: removing the line from the file) get dealt with through launchpad? Andrew -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Andrew, I'd generally have a quick look around on the net and if you can't find anything to suggest differently I'd just file a bug. At least from there you will be told what needs to happen. So yes, launchpad is a good place to deal with the issue as long as you've looked around online and not seen it reported hundreds of times :) Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
The reason I use ubuntu is two fold: 1. It is much cheaper than the Windows offerings and does not have the same expensive hardware requirements needed for Window. 2. It does virtually everything I want with a few exceptions ( I have yet to find a genealogy program that suits my needs or a video editing program that matches videoredo for ease of use). So far I have found it easy to use, with the Gnome interface, but at my age I am reluctant to start learning complex new interfaces. If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. By the way what is the obsession with Bug 1? Linux will only replace Windows if it is easy to use. Complex new interfaces will be counter productive. Regards Peter Goggin -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
On 09/04/11 22:14, colin mcdermott wrote: Free Software and its users [1]. It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). As for Bug #1 we are failing and failing immensely. Windows XP is easy and compatible. Its comfortable, it's nice and friendly I know where everything is (ok I don't, but I can find it). XP has been on the market for over 10 years and still very useable. We don't release Ubuntu and keep a basic, easy user interface. We go whiz bang flash trashy and scare people away. We don't spend a year testing and perfecting our ease of use, our Humanity (our Ubuntu). We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's Colin McD Hear, hear Colin. I've been using the very user-friendly PCLinuxOS ever since my attempt to upgrade Ubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04 caused me severe inconvenience at a bad time. I've been a silent passenger of this list since then. From the current comments, it seems that Ubuntu is drifting ever further away from ubuntu - its praxis is letting down its beautiful ethos. That's sad. Alan Kerns -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: windows7 dual boot
- Original Message From: Adrian J de Bruyn adr...@debruyn.net.au To: Ubuntu AU List ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 9:08:45 AM Subject: windows7 dual boot G'day all Being a newbie I might be asking for something resolved long ago. I tried to install 10.10 alongside windows7. But no success. It installs all right, I think, but when booting it reverts back to Windows without giving me a choice. What am I doing wrong? -- Probably nothing you are doing. From my reading of Ubuntu Forums, there appears to be a bug in the installer in 10.10 (Very regrettable - a bad intro to a great OS) I don't dual boot with Windows so I'm unable to test it. From what you are describing it seems that grub does not get installed correctly. One way around this would be to specify the partitions manually, as this advanced mode does not have any problems. If you're going to do this I would highly recommend setting up a separate /home partition because that allows you to re-install, upgrade, repair etc the / (root) partition that the OS sits on at will, without risking your important data and settings. So, you would have a Windows partition (NTFS), a Linux boot partition (ext4, 15-20 GB recommended), a /home partition (ext4, as big as you can spare) and a swap partition (at least the size of your installed RAM recommended). Specifiy sda (first hard drive) as the device to install grub onto and it should work perfectly giving you the option to boot into either Windows or Ubuntu. If you don't feel comfortable with the more advanced manual setup, you might want to try the 10.04 release which should work fine. 10.04 is the LTS (long term support) release and is perfectly fine, in fact it's the most stable current release and the one I recommend for newcomers to Linux. It's also possible that you just need to install grub to the hard drive from the LiveCD. Go over to ubuntuforums.org and ask for help from the knowledgeable folks over there. (Because I've never had to do it this way) BTW, if you want to be able to access your ext 4 partitions, particularly /home from windows, just install the open source ext2 driver under Windows. Chris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:32:49 +1000 peter goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote: The reason I use ubuntu is two fold: 1. It is much cheaper than the Windows offerings and does not have the same expensive hardware requirements needed for Window. 2. It does virtually everything I want with a few exceptions ( I have yet to find a genealogy program that suits my needs or a video editing program that matches videoredo for ease of use). I am just curious as to what is the specific needs that you have that cannot be met by any Linux Genealogy Program?? So far I have found it easy to use, with the Gnome interface, but at my age I am reluctant to start learning complex new interfaces. If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10. But there will still be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome will still be installable aferwards. Cheers Daniel. By the way what is the obsession with Bug 1? Linux will only replace Windows if it is easy to use. Complex new interfaces will be counter productive. Regards Peter Goggin -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. For All your Open Source and IT requirements see: www.greenwareit.com.au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: windows7 dual boot
Hello For those in Melbourne, nearby and in Victoria (and if you are anywhere else it still applies), Linux Users of Victoria (LUV) runs a Beginners Workshop on the 3rd Saturday of every month at the HUB in Docklands. Its a free event, and everyone is welcome (not just members). Although it is not a specifically Ubuntu event, Ubuntu tends to take a fair amount of people's time at the event. See www.luv.asn.au for more info, including exact location details. The next meeting is this Saturday 16, April 11.00 to 16.00. (although if you get there at 11 and sees noone, just hang around a little bit, because it is not unusual for the organisers to be a bit late!!) The kind of issues experienced by Adrian de Bruyn are among the ones which can be dealt with. Cheers Daniel On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Chris Robinson fabricat...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message From: Adrian J de Bruyn adr...@debruyn.net.au To: Ubuntu AU List ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 9:08:45 AM Subject: windows7 dual boot G'day all Being a newbie I might be asking for something resolved long ago. I tried to install 10.10 alongside windows7. But no success. It installs all right, I think, but when booting it reverts back to Windows without giving me a choice. What am I doing wrong? -- Probably nothing you are doing. From my reading of Ubuntu Forums, there appears to be a bug in the installer in 10.10 (Very regrettable - a bad intro to a great OS) I don't dual boot with Windows so I'm unable to test it. From what you are describing it seems that grub does not get installed correctly. One way around this would be to specify the partitions manually, as this advanced mode does not have any problems. If you're going to do this I would highly recommend setting up a separate /home partition because that allows you to re-install, upgrade, repair etc the / (root) partition that the OS sits on at will, without risking your important data and settings. So, you would have a Windows partition (NTFS), a Linux boot partition (ext4, 15-20 GB recommended), a /home partition (ext4, as big as you can spare) and a swap partition (at least the size of your installed RAM recommended). Specifiy sda (first hard drive) as the device to install grub onto and it should work perfectly giving you the option to boot into either Windows or Ubuntu. If you don't feel comfortable with the more advanced manual setup, you might want to try the 10.04 release which should work fine. 10.04 is the LTS (long term support) release and is perfectly fine, in fact it's the most stable current release and the one I recommend for newcomers to Linux. It's also possible that you just need to install grub to the hard drive from the LiveCD. Go over to ubuntuforums.org and ask for help from the knowledgeable folks over there. (Because I've never had to do it this way) BTW, if you want to be able to access your ext 4 partitions, particularly /home from windows, just install the open source ext2 driver under Windows. Chris -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. For All your Open Source and IT requirements see: www.greenwareit.com.au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10. But there will still be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome will still be installable aferwards. I assume most of the main distros will be switching to Gnome 3 (Shell), since it's finally been released. Also, I know that Gnome 3 and Gnome 2 have very different requirements, so it could be very hard to support both out of the box and Gnome 2 will be the one to be dropped. (This is why you can't test Unity and Gnome-Shell together) So this could make it hard to find a distro that still supports gnome 2 out of the box. No doubt you'll be able to install it after the fact if you want it though, kinda like how you can add KDE etc. Thanks, ~Stephen On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:52 AM, danyJ danyj...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:32:49 +1000 peter goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote: The reason I use ubuntu is two fold: 1. It is much cheaper than the Windows offerings and does not have the same expensive hardware requirements needed for Window. 2. It does virtually everything I want with a few exceptions ( I have yet to find a genealogy program that suits my needs or a video editing program that matches videoredo for ease of use). I am just curious as to what is the specific needs that you have that cannot be met by any Linux Genealogy Program?? So far I have found it easy to use, with the Gnome interface, but at my age I am reluctant to start learning complex new interfaces. If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10. But there will still be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome will still be installable aferwards. Cheers Daniel. By the way what is the obsession with Bug 1? Linux will only replace Windows if it is easy to use. Complex new interfaces will be counter productive. Regards Peter Goggin -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. For All your Open Source and IT requirements see: www.greenwareit.com.au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- Stephen Rees-Carter ~ Valorin http://stephen.rees-carter.net/ -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
G'day All I completely support the view point of Colin McDermott and Alan Kerns that We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's David Bowskill On 10/04/11 04:11, Alan Kerns wrote: On 09/04/11 22:14, colin mcdermott wrote: Free Software and its users [1]. It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). As for Bug #1 we are failing and failing immensely. Windows XP is easy and compatible. Its comfortable, it's nice and friendly I know where everything is (ok I don't, but I can find it). XP has been on the market for over 10 years and still very useable. We don't release Ubuntu and keep a basic, easy user interface. We go whiz bang flash trashy and scare people away. We don't spend a year testing and perfecting our ease of use, our Humanity (our Ubuntu). We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's Colin McD Hear, hear Colin. I've been using the very user-friendly PCLinuxOS ever since my attempt to upgrade Ubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04 caused me severe inconvenience at a bad time. I've been a silent passenger of this list since then. From the current comments, it seems that Ubuntu is drifting ever further away from ubuntu - its praxis is letting down its beautiful ethos. That's sad. Alan Kerns -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
This issue concerns me greatly as I have spent the past few years converting beginners frustrated with Windows crashing, virus attacks and other concerns to the peaceful, stable world of Ubuntu. As beginners they would have no idea of how to change back to Gnome if they don't like Unity, and as people that don't like change I am sure they will feel disorientated by a major change in desktop appearance and functionality. I am then concerned that I will have to go back and visit them all to sort their issues out. Do the Ubuntu developers read these mailing lists, or alternatively do they get feedback from users? But I guess we will just have to wait until 11.04 is released to really judge. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:14:52 +1000 From: colin mcdermott colinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Bug 1 Message-ID: banlktimd4yvdh8ewfhveobvzzekaayb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Free Software and its users [1]. ?It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. ?Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). As for Bug #1 we are failing and failing immensely. Windows XP is easy and compatible. Its comfortable, it's nice and friendly I know where everything is (ok I don't, but I can find it). XP has been on the market for over 10 years and still very useable. We don't release Ubuntu and keep a basic, easy user interface. We go whiz bang flash trashy and scare people away. We don't spend a year testing and perfecting our ease of use, our Humanity (our Ubuntu). We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's Colin McD -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
On 10/04/2011 11:02, Peter Kukums wrote: This issue concerns me greatly as I have spent the past few years converting beginners frustrated with Windows crashing, virus attacks and other concerns to the peaceful, stable world of Ubuntu. As beginners they would have no idea of how to change back to Gnome if they don't like Unity, and as people that don't like change I am sure they will feel disorientated by a major change in desktop appearance and functionality. I am then concerned that I will have to go back and visit them all to sort their issues out. Do the Ubuntu developers read these mailing lists, or alternatively do they get feedback from users? But I guess we will just have to wait until 11.04 is released to really judge. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:14:52 +1000 From: colin mcdermottcolinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com mailto:colinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.comubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Bug 1 Message-ID:banlktimd4yvdh8ewfhveobvzzekaayb...@mail.gmail.com mailto:banlktimd4yvdh8ewfhveobvzzekaayb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Free Software and its users [1]. ?It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. ?Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). Further to what Peter Kukums wrote.. I have several friends who are Windows users and are no longer that impressed with it because of the virus et al matters and I could convert them to Ubuntu. However, I am simply frightened to attempt because by the time they get used to the new operating system the damn desktop environment would have changed! I have a copy of Natty with its Unity desktop installed on a set of (removable) HDs as well as openSUSE with Gnome 3 on another set of HDs. My wife - who is using Maverick with gnome 2.3 - walks by, looks at the screen and asks, What's this mess on your screen?. I tell her and she categorically states, Don't you *dare* change my system!. And to make things more complicated for those starting out in Linux, there is no back-porting of applications except for security fixes. For example, Maverick comes with kernel 2.36 and FF 3.6; openSUSE with kernel 2.37 and FF 4; while Natty has kernel 2.38 and FF 4. So unless you know what you are doing and are prepared to go thru hoops there is no easy way to upgrade to FF 4 in Maverick, for example, and also to use kernel 2.38. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details. Confucius -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
