Re: Bug 1
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:16:34 +1000 Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: Further to what Peter Kukums wrote.. I have several friends who are Windows users and are no longer that impressed with it because of the virus et al matters and I could convert them to Ubuntu. However, I am simply frightened to attempt because by the time they get used to the new operating system the damn desktop environment would have changed! Might be that Kubuntu will be a better option than Ubuntu, and indeed there is some weight in the view that converting from Windows to Kubuntu may be easier than converting from Windows to Ubuntu. Probably it is more feasibile to setup a Kubuntu system to look and behave more like a Windows system. (Assumption here is that Kubuntu will still be available with KDE when 11.10 is out and later) I have a copy of Natty with its Unity desktop installed on a set of (removable) HDs as well as openSUSE with Gnome 3 on another set of HDs. My wife - who is using Maverick with gnome 2.3 - walks by, looks at the screen and asks, What's this mess on your screen?. I tell her and she categorically states, Don't you *dare* change my system!. And to make things more complicated for those starting out in Linux, there is no back-porting of applications except for security fixes. For example, Maverick comes with kernel 2.36 and FF 3.6; openSUSE with kernel 2.37 and FF 4; while Natty has kernel 2.38 and FF 4. So unless you know what you are doing and are prepared to go thru hoops there is no easy way to upgrade to FF 4 in Maverick, for example, and also to use kernel 2.38. Ideally, what you really want is a much easier way to add (and remove) ppa and 3rd party repositories to your system without having to do any of following: add repositories manually in your sources.list add repositories manually in your package manager (although thats not so hard, once you know what to add) add repositories using add-apt-repository from console Cheers Daniel. BC add repositories manually in your sources.list -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. For All your Open Source and IT requirements see: www.greenwareit.com.au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 4:00 PM, danyJ danyj...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Ideally, what you really want is a much easier way to add (and remove) ppa and 3rd party repositories to your system without having to do any of following: add repositories manually in your sources.list add repositories manually in your package manager (although thats not so hard, once you know what to add) add repositories using add-apt-repository from console Although apt-add-repository will work better :-) I have my reservations on the possible switch to Unity. Regards George -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
On 10 April 2011 09:52, danyJ danyj...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:32:49 +1000 peter goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote: If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10. But there will still be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome will still be installable aferwards. Actually - it will be there, installed and ready - you just have to choose Ubuntu Classic as your session type :) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
On 10 April 2011 17:33, Chris Debenham ch...@adebenham.com wrote: On 10 April 2011 09:52, danyJ danyj...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:32:49 +1000 peter goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote: If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10. But there will still be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome will still be installable aferwards. Actually - it will be there, installed and ready - you just have to choose Ubuntu Classic as your session type :) Whoops - meant in 11.04 - as far as I've heard for 11.10 it is still 'up in the air' -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Bug 1
Free Software and its users [1]. It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). As for Bug #1 we are failing and failing immensely. Windows XP is easy and compatible. Its comfortable, it's nice and friendly I know where everything is (ok I don't, but I can find it). XP has been on the market for over 10 years and still very useable. We don't release Ubuntu and keep a basic, easy user interface. We go whiz bang flash trashy and scare people away. We don't spend a year testing and perfecting our ease of use, our Humanity (our Ubuntu). We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's Colin McD -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
The reason I use ubuntu is two fold: 1. It is much cheaper than the Windows offerings and does not have the same expensive hardware requirements needed for Window. 2. It does virtually everything I want with a few exceptions ( I have yet to find a genealogy program that suits my needs or a video editing program that matches videoredo for ease of use). So far I have found it easy to use, with the Gnome interface, but at my age I am reluctant to start learning complex new interfaces. If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. By the way what is the obsession with Bug 1? Linux will only replace Windows if it is easy to use. Complex new interfaces will be counter productive. Regards Peter Goggin -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
On 09/04/11 22:14, colin mcdermott wrote: Free Software and its users [1]. It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). As for Bug #1 we are failing and failing immensely. Windows XP is easy and compatible. Its comfortable, it's nice and friendly I know where everything is (ok I don't, but I can find it). XP has been on the market for over 10 years and still very useable. We don't release Ubuntu and keep a basic, easy user interface. We go whiz bang flash trashy and scare people away. We don't spend a year testing and perfecting our ease of use, our Humanity (our Ubuntu). We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's Colin McD Hear, hear Colin. I've been using the very user-friendly PCLinuxOS ever since my attempt to upgrade Ubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04 caused me severe inconvenience at a bad time. I've been a silent passenger of this list since then. From the current comments, it seems that Ubuntu is drifting ever further away from ubuntu - its praxis is letting down its beautiful ethos. That's sad. Alan Kerns -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:32:49 +1000 peter goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote: The reason I use ubuntu is two fold: 1. It is much cheaper than the Windows offerings and does not have the same expensive hardware requirements needed for Window. 2. It does virtually everything I want with a few exceptions ( I have yet to find a genealogy program that suits my needs or a video editing program that matches videoredo for ease of use). I am just curious as to what is the specific needs that you have that cannot be met by any Linux Genealogy Program?? So far I have found it easy to use, with the Gnome interface, but at my age I am reluctant to start learning complex new interfaces. If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10. But there will still be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome will still be installable aferwards. Cheers Daniel. By the way what is the obsession with Bug 1? Linux will only replace Windows if it is easy to use. Complex new interfaces will be counter productive. Regards Peter Goggin -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. For All your Open Source and IT requirements see: www.greenwareit.com.au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10. But there will still be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome will still be installable aferwards. I assume most of the main distros will be switching to Gnome 3 (Shell), since it's finally been released. Also, I know that Gnome 3 and Gnome 2 have very different requirements, so it could be very hard to support both out of the box and Gnome 2 will be the one to be dropped. (This is why you can't test Unity and Gnome-Shell together) So this could make it hard to find a distro that still supports gnome 2 out of the box. No doubt you'll be able to install it after the fact if you want it though, kinda like how you can add KDE etc. Thanks, ~Stephen On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:52 AM, danyJ danyj...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:32:49 +1000 peter goggin petergog...@bigpond.com wrote: The reason I use ubuntu is two fold: 1. It is much cheaper than the Windows offerings and does not have the same expensive hardware requirements needed for Window. 2. It does virtually everything I want with a few exceptions ( I have yet to find a genealogy program that suits my needs or a video editing program that matches videoredo for ease of use). I am just curious as to what is the specific needs that you have that cannot be met by any Linux Genealogy Program?? So far I have found it easy to use, with the Gnome interface, but at my age I am reluctant to start learning complex new interfaces. If the next main release does not support Gnome then I will probably look at other Linux options. It will not be available by default in Ubuntu 11.10. But there will still be Kubuntu, or most likely Gnome will still be installable aferwards. Cheers Daniel. By the way what is the obsession with Bug 1? Linux will only replace Windows if it is easy to use. Complex new interfaces will be counter productive. Regards Peter Goggin -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. For All your Open Source and IT requirements see: www.greenwareit.com.au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- Stephen Rees-Carter ~ Valorin http://stephen.rees-carter.net/ -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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G'day All I completely support the view point of Colin McDermott and Alan Kerns that We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's David Bowskill On 10/04/11 04:11, Alan Kerns wrote: On 09/04/11 22:14, colin mcdermott wrote: Free Software and its users [1]. It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). As for Bug #1 we are failing and failing immensely. Windows XP is easy and compatible. Its comfortable, it's nice and friendly I know where everything is (ok I don't, but I can find it). XP has been on the market for over 10 years and still very useable. We don't release Ubuntu and keep a basic, easy user interface. We go whiz bang flash trashy and scare people away. We don't spend a year testing and perfecting our ease of use, our Humanity (our Ubuntu). We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's Colin McD Hear, hear Colin. I've been using the very user-friendly PCLinuxOS ever since my attempt to upgrade Ubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04 caused me severe inconvenience at a bad time. I've been a silent passenger of this list since then. From the current comments, it seems that Ubuntu is drifting ever further away from ubuntu - its praxis is letting down its beautiful ethos. That's sad. Alan Kerns -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
This issue concerns me greatly as I have spent the past few years converting beginners frustrated with Windows crashing, virus attacks and other concerns to the peaceful, stable world of Ubuntu. As beginners they would have no idea of how to change back to Gnome if they don't like Unity, and as people that don't like change I am sure they will feel disorientated by a major change in desktop appearance and functionality. I am then concerned that I will have to go back and visit them all to sort their issues out. Do the Ubuntu developers read these mailing lists, or alternatively do they get feedback from users? But I guess we will just have to wait until 11.04 is released to really judge. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:14:52 +1000 From: colin mcdermott colinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Bug 1 Message-ID: banlktimd4yvdh8ewfhveobvzzekaayb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Free Software and its users [1]. ?It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. ?Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). As for Bug #1 we are failing and failing immensely. Windows XP is easy and compatible. Its comfortable, it's nice and friendly I know where everything is (ok I don't, but I can find it). XP has been on the market for over 10 years and still very useable. We don't release Ubuntu and keep a basic, easy user interface. We go whiz bang flash trashy and scare people away. We don't spend a year testing and perfecting our ease of use, our Humanity (our Ubuntu). We have missed our target audience. We are aiming for tech savvy Mac users when we need to pitch at Granny's using rusty PC's Colin McD -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Bug 1
On 10/04/2011 11:02, Peter Kukums wrote: This issue concerns me greatly as I have spent the past few years converting beginners frustrated with Windows crashing, virus attacks and other concerns to the peaceful, stable world of Ubuntu. As beginners they would have no idea of how to change back to Gnome if they don't like Unity, and as people that don't like change I am sure they will feel disorientated by a major change in desktop appearance and functionality. I am then concerned that I will have to go back and visit them all to sort their issues out. Do the Ubuntu developers read these mailing lists, or alternatively do they get feedback from users? But I guess we will just have to wait until 11.04 is released to really judge. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 22:14:52 +1000 From: colin mcdermottcolinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com mailto:colinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.comubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Bug 1 Message-ID:banlktimd4yvdh8ewfhveobvzzekaayb...@mail.gmail.com mailto:banlktimd4yvdh8ewfhveobvzzekaayb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Free Software and its users [1]. ?It seems that Ubuntu's priority is solving bug #1. ?Much as i agree that bug #1 needs solving.. I think that MY greatest frustration with Ubuntu is NOT that it solves Bug 1 (why are people wedded to windows), but that it tries it hardest to attract Mac users (Here is the Latest and greatest software released every 6 months, with the latest whiz bang interface whom many people believe is the best way to operate the computer). Further to what Peter Kukums wrote.. I have several friends who are Windows users and are no longer that impressed with it because of the virus et al matters and I could convert them to Ubuntu. However, I am simply frightened to attempt because by the time they get used to the new operating system the damn desktop environment would have changed! I have a copy of Natty with its Unity desktop installed on a set of (removable) HDs as well as openSUSE with Gnome 3 on another set of HDs. My wife - who is using Maverick with gnome 2.3 - walks by, looks at the screen and asks, What's this mess on your screen?. I tell her and she categorically states, Don't you *dare* change my system!. And to make things more complicated for those starting out in Linux, there is no back-porting of applications except for security fixes. For example, Maverick comes with kernel 2.36 and FF 3.6; openSUSE with kernel 2.37 and FF 4; while Natty has kernel 2.38 and FF 4. So unless you know what you are doing and are prepared to go thru hoops there is no easy way to upgrade to FF 4 in Maverick, for example, and also to use kernel 2.38. BC -- Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details. Confucius -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
