Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.
Hi Harry, Would you care to share some more details on the 'Next G' device you are trying to get working? I have a few Telstra Next G Wireless Broadband devices I use at work. They are all ZTE MF636 devices. We also use a few tethered mobile all through Network Manager too. The devices I use are the white usb dongles without the blue swivel on the usb connector. They have the Telstra Logo on the top and NEXTG on the bottom with a blue outline around the device. Also do you have any of the instructions written down on how you got the device working through the terminal? Any extra details you can give us would go a long way. - Karl On 9 June 2010 16:55, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Jared, Thanks for making some input; today we actually have got a Next G Device working with the help of a clever Virgin Mobile employee. The point that I tried to make is that we have NetWork Manager, wvdial and the GUI for gnome-ppp. None of them work for getting a Next G Device just simply to work as it does for say a WiFi connection. We always have to search for information and use the Terminal to make it work. What I am looking for is to have NetWork Manager just simply do the job so that non computer wizards can move away from Microsoft and embrace the freedom that can be found with Linux. Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of laptops. Any clever Linux person passing through Strathpine please call in for a cuppa of Java. In case of anyone that tried to phone me, my appologies there was a typo in my number. Cheers, Harry Degenaar 0401231068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com From: Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:55 PM To: ha...@ipunix.com Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux. On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com wrote: I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have experience in getting a Next G wireless broadband modem(s) to work on Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works. As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to promote Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this? Thanks, Harry Degenaar 0401241068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Harry, I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available in Australia on different networks and if there were any special requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so that others may benefit as well. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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On 9 June 2010 17:36, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 June 2010 17:27, Karl Bowden karlbow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Harry, Would you care to share some more details on the 'Next G' device you are trying to get working? I have a few Telstra Next G Wireless Broadband devices I use at work. They are all ZTE MF636 devices. We also use a few tethered mobile all through Network Manager too. The devices I use are the white usb dongles without the blue swivel on the usb connector. They have the Telstra Logo on the top and NEXTG on the bottom with a blue outline around the device. Also do you have any of the instructions written down on how you got the device working through the terminal? Any extra details you can give us would go a long way. - Karl On 9 June 2010 16:55, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Jared, Thanks for making some input; today we actually have got a Next G Device working with the help of a clever Virgin Mobile employee. The point that I tried to make is that we have NetWork Manager, wvdial and the GUI for gnome-ppp. None of them work for getting a Next G Device just simply to work as it does for say a WiFi connection. We always have to search for information and use the Terminal to make it work. What I am looking for is to have NetWork Manager just simply do the job so that non computer wizards can move away from Microsoft and embrace the freedom that can be found with Linux. Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of laptops. Any clever Linux person passing through Strathpine please call in for a cuppa of Java. In case of anyone that tried to phone me, my appologies there was a typo in my number. Cheers, Harry Degenaar 0401231068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com From: Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:55 PM To: ha...@ipunix.com Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux. On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com wrote: I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have experience in getting a Next G wireless broadband modem(s) to work on Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works. As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to promote Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this? Thanks, Harry Degenaar 0401241068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Harry, I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available in Australia on different networks and if there were any special requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so that others may benefit as well. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Karl, I had a quick look on the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation and for your device it states all that is required is Appears as a CD on the desktop on first insert. Right click and select 'Safely Remove Hardware' then it gets reattached internally as a modem and can be used as normal. YMMV, as I have to use Eject for the modeswitching to occur (on 9.10), and sometimes requires a change of usb port to get working. Some of those notes were mine too. I have searched through the list archives but it seems my instructions for disabling the cdrun are not there. I have created a github repo with a script to enable and disable the cdrun and updated the wiki notes. http://github.com/agentk/ztecdrun Usage: git clone git://github.com/agentk/ztecdrun.git python ztecdrun/ztecdrun.py /dev/ttyUSB1 disable Expected output: ATZ: OK AT+ZOPRT=5: OK AT+ZCDRUN=8: Close autorun state result(0:FAIL 1:SUCCESS):1 SUCCESS I personally have tested this but I hope this works for you. I have one of the Telstra Elite home network gateway and it had to be activated over a windows pc (as the supplied software is only for windows to do this with) but is essentially a stand alone router once it is activated. It usually gets better speeds than
Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.
I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have experience in getting a Next G wireless broadband modem(s) to work on Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works. As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to promote Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this? Thanks, Harry Degenaar 0401241068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have experience in getting a Next G wireless broadband modem(s) to work on Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works. As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to promote Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this? Thanks, Harry Degenaar 0401241068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Harry, I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available in Australia on different networks and if there were any special requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so that others may benefit as well. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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On 26/05/10 1:27 PM, Steven O'Reilly wrote: I'm not sure where to begin trying to fix that! It is a bit beyond the realm of mere mortals. A few people have tried I think. Money and politics. The DER netbooks get all the headlines but they are not the whole story. We are one of the richest countries in the world and I would be surprised if most kids didn't already have access to a computer at home along with a console or two and a selection of mobile phones. So its not like the bad old days when all they saw from birth to graduation was Microsoft PowerPoint. The kids who are really forgotten and need a big hand live in remote indigenous communities and OLPCs are going to some of them - fully open source stack where it counts and hopefully will be appreciated. There is a lot people can do at a local level to engage with the community including schools and teachers and make a difference. Everyone loves TuxPaint, Inkscape, Audacity etc. These netbooks will all be in landfill in 3 years. All the spoilt kids are going to be a lot more interested in their Android phones, iPads, HP WebOS Slates and ChromeOS devices than running Photoshop on an old spyware laden machine with the grunt of a PentiumIII and probably half an hour of battery life by then. The future is not all rosy if nobody is able to challenge Apple but a few more years and Microsoft Windows will not be a serious player anymore if current trends hold. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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--- On Wed, 26/5/10, Paul Shirren shi...@shirro.com wrote: From: Paul Shirren shi...@shirro.com Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux. To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Wednesday, 26 May, 2010, 4:39 PM On 26/05/10 1:27 PM, Steven O'Reilly wrote: I'm not sure where to begin trying to fix that! snip The kids who are really forgotten and need a big hand live in remote indigenous communities and OLPCs are going to some of them - fully open source stack where it counts and hopefully will be appreciated. There is a lot people can do at a local level to engage with the community including schools and teachers and make a difference. Everyone loves TuxPaint, Inkscape, Audacity etc. With all these cloud computer options (facebook, myspace, youtube, etc) dose everyone need that latests computer for internet / word processing? no unless your are video editor, 3D modeller, etc Most computers are under used or sit idle the Operating System is becoming irrelevant and Microsoft is losing its strong-hold tom -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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... and in another (more enlightened) part of the world ... http://www.ubuntu.com/products/casestudies/Andalusia-deploys-22-Ubuntu-desktops-in-schools-throughout-the-region Andre May 2010 17:31, Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au wrote: --- On Wed, 26/5/10, Paul Shirren shi...@shirro.com wrote: From: Paul Shirren shi...@shirro.com Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux. To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Wednesday, 26 May, 2010, 4:39 PM On 26/05/10 1:27 PM, Steven O'Reilly wrote: I'm not sure where to begin trying to fix that! snip The kids who are really forgotten and need a big hand live in remote indigenous communities and OLPCs are going to some of them - fully open source stack where it counts and hopefully will be appreciated. There is a lot people can do at a local level to engage with the community including schools and teachers and make a difference. Everyone loves TuxPaint, Inkscape, Audacity etc. With all these cloud computer options (facebook, myspace, youtube, etc) dose everyone need that latests computer for internet / word processing? no unless your are video editor, 3D modeller, etc Most computers are under used or sit idle the Operating System is becoming irrelevant and Microsoft is losing its strong-hold tom -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating system in the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a public school ( I am a senior student ) and I don't think you are allowed to actually install another system. The system is also loaded with goodies like programs that act like trojans allowing the DET to remotely disable your computer ( pretty much a root kit ) and all manner of other things constantly pinging to random proxies. So the kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it they get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not having linux on it. On May 25, 11:56 am, Senectus . senec...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu LoCo structure and now the wiki. But what is happening around us and in particular in my area (Strathpine Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with mini notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER) program. From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed to eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive a mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout in 2012. This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000 Windows 7 based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to high schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From information gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for. I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase their profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in it or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system they could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in licensing fees. All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the Australian Federal and State Governments. Cheers, Harry Degenaar ha...@ipunix.com It's also a huge opportunity.. All those new machines going out to students that are naturally rebellious and inquisitive. Time to really amp up a Linux install Day again... -- It's just a 2000 year old book of desert tribal myths. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Ubuntu-Au group. To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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On Tue, 25 May 2010 05:25:31 -0700 (PDT) bwright bwright...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating system in the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a public ... kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it they get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not having if you mean the punishment is the netbook/lappy is disabled I don't really see how that is punishment. it is not yours 'til you leave so what's your problem? are you forced to supply personal or even incriminating details? do they beat you with an iron bar? A LoCo has no capacity to interact with governing or authoritative bodies because it cannot make statements or representations on behalf of Canonical. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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Have you got anything to back that up B? On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, bwright bwright...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating system in the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a public school ( I am a senior student ) and I don't think you are allowed to actually install another system. The system is also loaded with goodies like programs that act like trojans allowing the DET to remotely disable your computer ( pretty much a root kit ) and all manner of other things constantly pinging to random proxies. So the kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it they get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not having linux on it. On May 25, 11:56 am, Senectus . senec...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu LoCo structure and now the wiki. But what is happening around us and in particular in my area (Strathpine Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with mini notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER) program. From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed to eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive a mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout in 2012. This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000 Windows 7 based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to high schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From information gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for. I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase their profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in it or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system they could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in licensing fees. All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the Australian Federal and State Governments. Cheers, Harry Degenaar ha...@ipunix.com It's also a huge opportunity.. All those new machines going out to students that are naturally rebellious and inquisitive. Time to really amp up a Linux install Day again... -- It's just a 2000 year old book of desert tribal myths. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps:// lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Ubuntu-Au group. To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comubuntu-au%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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Anyone think Linux never stood a chance to begin with? Nonstandard environment incompatible with office, I can see a lot of unhappy kids telling everyone Linux sucks and newspaper headlines that the whole thing is fail. Being the cheaper option only goes so far, isn't there a blog called linux in Munich detailing what would be a very similar situation to here simply because Australia does not have the appropriate support channels set up. On May 26, 2010 2:02 AM, David Fawcett omniw...@gmail.com wrote: Have you got anything to back that up B? On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, bwright bwright...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that you are... -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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The netbooks issued to students in NSW are the same. Installation of additional software is prohibited. Access to the BIOS is locked preventing loading of bootable devices, and the NSW police have the ability to track and disable the unit. On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 02:31 +1000, David Fawcett wrote: Have you got anything to back that up B? On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, bwright bwright...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating system in the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a public school ( I am a senior student ) and I don't think you are allowed to actually install another system. The system is also loaded with goodies like programs that act like trojans allowing the DET to remotely disable your computer ( pretty much a root kit ) and all manner of other things constantly pinging to random proxies. So the kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it they get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not having linux on it. On May 25, 11:56 am, Senectus . senec...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu LoCo structure and now the wiki. But what is happening around us and in particular in my area (Strathpine Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with mini notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER) program. From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed to eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive a mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout in 2012. This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000 Windows 7 based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to high schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From information gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for. I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase their profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in it or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system they could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in licensing fees. All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the Australian Federal and State Governments. Cheers, Harry Degenaar ha...@ipunix.com It's also a huge opportunity.. All those new machines going out to students that are naturally rebellious and inquisitive. Time to really amp up a Linux install Day again... -- It's just a 2000 year old book of desert tribal myths. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Ubuntu-Au group. To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ubuntu-au +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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On 25/05/10 9:05 AM, ha...@ipunix.com wrote: All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the Australian Federal and State Governments. One alternative is for families eligible for FTB Part A (or independent students) to claim the Education Tax Refund towards a netbook/notebook running Ubuntu and take it to school instead of or alongside their DER funded netbook. Can claim up to $750 refund for $1500 spend for a secondary student or $375 for $750 spend for primary. Best to see your accountant for more info. http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.asp?doc=/content/00166469.htmpage=1 I think the problem with most of the DER based schemes is not their choice of Windows7/Netbooks but that they do not recognise that personal computing can and should involve personal choices. They have been used to extend the jurisdiction of school mandatory filtering and software management into homes. Would anyone here be willing to assist an education department prepare an Ubuntu netbook with remote kill, locked down applications, mandatory internet filtering and other unknown privacy infringements and restrictions. I wouldn't. It wouldn't be in the spirit of free software and would offer few real advantages over Windows. But that is the sort of environment being shipped. So is the problem the choice of Windows or the lack of choice for students? BTW the opposition will cancel the DER if elected. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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Long time lurker first time poster (how cliché) As the father of a young inquisitive and rebellious tacker with one in NSW , I agree with the "opportunity" part of the debate. It's annoying reading about the penalties outlined in the user agreement for "improving" the netbooks, but they will still be useful when the contract between the education department and the students are complete. If one is determined, I can't see why you wouldn't wubi or VM a linux distro just for the educational aspects of the exercise :-) ymmv Chuck On -9/01/37 05:59, Senectus . wrote: On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu LoCo structure and now the wiki. But what is happening around us and in particular in my area (Strathpine Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with mini notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER) program. From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed to eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive a mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout in 2012. This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000 Windows 7 based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to high schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From information gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for. I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase their profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in it or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system they could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in licensing fees. All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the Australian Federal and State Governments. Cheers, Harry Degenaar ha...@ipunix.com It's also a huge opportunity.. All those new machines going out to students that are naturally rebellious and inquisitive. Time to really amp up a "Linux install Day" again... -- It's just a 2000 year old book of desert tribal myths. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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Greetings, On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Ubuntu Lists kar...@scentient.com.au wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2010 05:25:31 -0700 (PDT) bwright bwright...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating system in the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a public ... kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it they get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not having if you mean the punishment is the netbook/lappy is disabled I don't really see how that is punishment. it is not yours 'til you leave so what's your problem? are you forced to supply personal or even incriminating details? do they beat you with an iron bar? A LoCo has no capacity to interact with governing or authoritative bodies because it cannot make statements or representations on behalf of Canonical. While this is true.. Ubuntu-AU can take an active role in poking Linux Australia who can make statements on behalf of a whole bunch of Linux users and developers in Australia. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
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True enough, however, the netbook rollout program is last year's news. Launched in NSW by Julia Gillard in August 2009. Linux was considered. The planning that preceded the implementation claimed that the support costs for running Linux were too high where did that report come from? Microsofts questionable self funded reports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_Linux#Total_cost_of_ownership or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_related_to_Microsoft) and that support for Microsoft was already established. only because windows is on every shop bought system The NSW Government (then Nathan Rees) listened to its IT experts and made a business agreement with MS to provide the software. How old are there IT experts and what computer traing have they got? Andre tom -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.
Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu LoCo structure and now the wiki. But what is happening around us and in particular in my area (Strathpine Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with mini notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER) program. From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed to eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive a mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout in 2012. This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000 Windows 7 based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to high schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From information gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for. I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase their profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in it or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system they could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in licensing fees. All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the Australian Federal and State Governments. Cheers, Harry Degenaar ha...@ipunix.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.
On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu LoCo structure and now the wiki. But what is happening around us and in particular in my area (Strathpine Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with mini notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER) program. From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed to eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive a mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout in 2012. This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000 Windows 7 based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to high schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From information gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for. I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase their profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in it or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system they could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in licensing fees. All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the Australian Federal and State Governments. Cheers, Harry Degenaar ha...@ipunix.com It's also a huge opportunity.. All those new machines going out to students that are naturally rebellious and inquisitive. Time to really amp up a Linux install Day again... -- It's just a 2000 year old book of desert tribal myths. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
