Re: Chicken and Egg
On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 11:45 +1100, Gregory Storer wrote: > On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 13:24 +1100, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, Gregory Storer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I still use the XP machine for watching movies, haven't yet found a way > > > to successfully watch then with Ubuntu - and have had trouble with the > > > video card trying to get it to play nicely with the TV. > > > > What's your video chipset? Maybe we can help you with that :) > > Thanks. Its an nvidia GEForce FX5500. I have download and run the > NVIDIA Xserver settings program, and also tried this fix: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut > without much success. The TV screen always reverts to "disabled" in the > NVIDA program, no matter which settings I choose. Clearly I've got the > wrong settings in my Xorg.conf file - which I've pasted at the bottom of > this message. Here's the Device section from Xorg config file. It might help, specifically the TwinView portion. Section "Device" Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]" Driver "nvidia" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" Option "TwinView" "true" Option "TwinVIewOrientation" "Clone" Option "TVOutFormat" "S-VIDEO" Option "TVStandard" "PAL-B" Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30-50" Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "60" Option "MetaModes" "1024x768,1024x768;800x600,800x600;640x480,640x480;512x384,512,384" EndSection -- James Purser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Chicken and Egg
On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 13:24 +1100, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, Gregory Storer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I still use the XP machine for watching movies, haven't yet found a way > > to successfully watch then with Ubuntu - and have had trouble with the > > video card trying to get it to play nicely with the TV. > > What's your video chipset? Maybe we can help you with that :) Thanks. Its an nvidia GEForce FX5500. I have download and run the NVIDIA Xserver settings program, and also tried this fix: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut without much success. The TV screen always reverts to "disabled" in the NVIDA program, no matter which settings I choose. Clearly I've got the wrong settings in my Xorg.conf file - which I've pasted at the bottom of this message. > > Overall, I want to throw Windows out the window. My kids still use XP, > > some of the online games, especially those with shockwave, won't work on > > a linux machine. > > Shockwave works through WINE. Flash already works well natively. From my > experience, Linux is an excellent choice for children. The breadth and > quality of FOSS software for children and education is phenomenal. I hadn't tried WINE, as I assumed it require a good deal of knowledge to get it up and running. What a surprise that was, so simple and straight forward! Greg. # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings # nvidia-settings: version 1.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thu Nov 9 17:56:12 PST 2006 Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Layout0" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer" EndSection Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "type1" Load "freetype" Load "glx" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "Xinerama" "0" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from default Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from default Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "Monitor" # HorizSync source: xconfig, VertRefresh source: xconfig Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "CRT-0" HorizSync 28.0 - 64.0 VertRefresh 43.0 - 60.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName "GeForce FX 5500" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor"Monitor0" DefaultDepth24 Option "metamodes" "CRT: 1280x1024 +0+0; CRT: 1024x768 +0+0; CRT: 800x600 +0+0; CRT: 640x480 +0+0" SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Chicken and Egg
Finally got it done. ie I xxcloned my existing HDD (80GB) onto a 250Gb HDD. Now I have space for everything (??) And the old HDD is a valuable backup - how wonderful! So, when I have had a bit of a rest, I will load Ubuntu and attempt to make a dual boot - as per the any helpful hints I have received from the community. And then I will begin the quest of working with, and learning the Ubuntu religion. Thank you so much everyone for your help. Dave W - Original Message - From: Gregory Storer To: The Wassermans Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg At a guess, you will need to get into Computer Management from the Administration tool in the Control panel If the drive is here, you will need to either format it to an NTFS drive, or if you don't want to loose your ubuntu partition you will need to create a new partition and format that partition as NTFS. I used gparted for that and had a good deal of success. I don't suppose you're in Melbourne are you? g. -Original message- From: "The Wassermans" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:41:35 +1100 To: "Gregory Storer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg > Well Greg, I connected the second HDD as you suggested. > > The Second HDD has only Ubuntu on it - by the way. Which might be part of the problem? > > Anyway, having connected it to my dvd cabling it, was recognised by the BIOS. Good so far. But . . . > there was no D: or E: drive in Explorer! However, under My Computer/devices it was listed right under the primary drive. But I couldn't find a way to access it. > > The Second HDD has only Ubuntu on it - by the way. Which might be part of the problem? > > I then loaded the HDD to another computer. Same thing! > > I don't know what I am doing wrong. > > Dave W > > > - Original Message - > From: Gregory Storer > To: The Wassermans > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg > > > Dave, > > As always, check and double check your settings. > > Remember you might have to change the hard drive jumper to slave, > depends on how your computer is set up. > > When I did this, I too didn't want to loose any of my data. I copied > the really important stuff to another computer via my network - > documents and email files. > > The risk is pretty small however, as XXClone is only copying the info > from your C drive to the D drive. Once done, remove your old C drive > and put it aside. There's the perfect back up! I have my old C drive > here and I cloned it some 4 weeks ok. No data is missing and its > working really well. > > g. > > On Tue, 2008-01-01 at 10:17 +1100, The Wassermans wrote: > > Great idea Greg! > > > > So I will simply clone from C: to D:. Will my PC recognise the HDD > > immediately or will I have to change the BIOS settings first? > > > > I'm a bit nervous about my data. There's not much risk is there? > > > > I'll try it . . . . > > > > Happy New Year to you. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Gregory Storer > > To: The Wassermans > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:29 AM > > Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg > > > > > > Hello Dave, > > > > I think I saw another email from you to the list, so perhaps > > you've > > solved this dilemma. If not, I would be using the cable for > > your DVD/CD > > player to be able to clone your hard drive - it should be > > possible. > > > > The computer I did this on was full, a cd player, dvd player, > > and two > > hard drives. I used the CD player cable, xxcloned the C drive > > to it and > > then swapped over the C drive with the newly cloned drive. > > > > Sorry for the delay in responding - its that time of year! > > > > g. > > > > On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 12:55 +1100, The Wassermans wrote: > > > Thanks for your very helpful response. > > > > > > I had a look at xxclone. Looks like a good product. I'm a >
Re: Chicken and Egg
Well Greg, I connected the second HDD as you suggested. The Second HDD has only Ubuntu on it - by the way. Which might be part of the problem? Anyway, having connected it to my dvd cabling it, was recognised by the BIOS. Good so far. But . . . there was no D: or E: drive in Explorer! However, under My Computer/devices it was listed right under the primary drive. But I couldn't find a way to access it. The Second HDD has only Ubuntu on it - by the way. Which might be part of the problem? I then loaded the HDD to another computer. Same thing! I don't know what I am doing wrong. Dave W - Original Message - From: Gregory Storer To: The Wassermans Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg Dave, As always, check and double check your settings. Remember you might have to change the hard drive jumper to slave, depends on how your computer is set up. When I did this, I too didn't want to loose any of my data. I copied the really important stuff to another computer via my network - documents and email files. The risk is pretty small however, as XXClone is only copying the info from your C drive to the D drive. Once done, remove your old C drive and put it aside. There's the perfect back up! I have my old C drive here and I cloned it some 4 weeks ok. No data is missing and its working really well. g. On Tue, 2008-01-01 at 10:17 +1100, The Wassermans wrote: > Great idea Greg! > > So I will simply clone from C: to D:. Will my PC recognise the HDD > immediately or will I have to change the BIOS settings first? > > I'm a bit nervous about my data. There's not much risk is there? > > I'll try it . . . . > > Happy New Year to you. > > - Original Message - > From: Gregory Storer > To: The Wassermans > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg > > > Hello Dave, > > I think I saw another email from you to the list, so perhaps > you've > solved this dilemma. If not, I would be using the cable for > your DVD/CD > player to be able to clone your hard drive - it should be > possible. > > The computer I did this on was full, a cd player, dvd player, > and two > hard drives. I used the CD player cable, xxcloned the C drive > to it and > then swapped over the C drive with the newly cloned drive. > > Sorry for the delay in responding - its that time of year! > > g. > > On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 12:55 +1100, The Wassermans wrote: > > Thanks for your very helpful response. > > > > I had a look at xxclone. Looks like a good product. I'm a > bit > > confused as to if I can clone to a networked machine? > > You see, my primary machine is a Dell and only has space for > one > > drive. That may mean that I have to remove the drive and > add it as an > > e: drive to another machine and then add an F: drive as the > target. > > The idea would be to use the new F: drive back in the > primary machine. > > If you know what I mean? > > > > Can't find any info on this in Google. > > > > Dave W > > - Original Message - > > From: Gregory Storer > > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:09 AM > > Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg > > . . . . . . . > > > > > > (I use XXClone to clone the XP partition onto the > new HDD, > > then used gparted to partition the HDD for XP and > Linux.) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Chicken and Egg
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, Gregory Storer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still use the XP machine for watching movies, haven't yet found a way > to successfully watch then with Ubuntu - and have had trouble with the > video card trying to get it to play nicely with the TV. What's your video chipset? Maybe we can help you with that :) > I have trouble > with printing in Ubuntu as my HP Laserjet 3100 has no linux drivers. It's a winprinter - most of its functionality is done in software. The 'drivers' do more than just drive the printer; they are a full printing engine. > Overall, I want to throw Windows out the window. My kids still use XP, > some of the online games, especially those with shockwave, won't work on > a linux machine. Shockwave works through WINE. Flash already works well natively. From my experience, Linux is an excellent choice for children. The breadth and quality of FOSS software for children and education is phenomenal. -- Tired of slowness, bugs, crashes, viruses, trojans, spyware, adware, malware... ? Take back your computer. http://www.linux.org.au/linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Chicken and Egg
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, "The Wassermans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Having only recently loaded Ubuntu 7.1 on a spare computer, I am striving > (on and off) to come to grips with it. I plan, ultimately, to switch > completely to Ubuntu if I can learn to live with it. I have decided that > the best way to determine it's suitability is simply to use it as much as I > can and attempt to configure things as I go along. But I have a chicken > and egg problem - how to wean myself off of Windows (XP)? I will also need > to assess which, for me, are the most suitable OSS replacement for my > favourite Windows based programs. I figure this will take me a year. > > First things first. Should I?: > 1. Set up a dual boot or, > 2. Install a second HDD or > 3. Simply network two computers? > In each case I might need some assistance/advice. A simple place to start would be http://www.linux.org.au/linux That's a guide that I'm writing for Linux Australia. It's not yet complete, but any feedback would be welcomed. You'll probably want to read the 'Using Linux and FOSS' section. The easiest path involves migrating to cross-platform apps on Windows, such as Firefox and Thunderbird. You can then copy the files across to their Linux counterparts once you are ready to switch. Technologies like WINE and virtualisation (Virtualbox, VMWare, etc.) allow you to run Windows apps directly on top of Linux. > I have been watching, with great interest, the flow of emails from this > group. So much advice and information. So much to know! Trouble is I > don't know what I don't know. So I am tempted to save everything - just in > case. But that is ridiculous! Does someone have a good management system > for "just in case" information? Maybe I should just ignore things that are > not (yet) affecting me? Like with any complicated system, there are countless possible problems. I would keep things simple and focus on the issues that directly concern you, lest you become overloaded with information. If you want to search the list later, there are several ways to do it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MailingLists Probably the best thing you can do is find like-minded people residing near you. LUGs are a brilliant way to do this: http://www.linux.org.au/usergroups Many LUGs also have their own mailing lists, and other communications media. -- Your toaster doesn't get a virus. Your television doesn't get a virus. Why should your computer? http://www.linux.org.au/linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Chicken and Egg
On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 10:41 +1100, The Wassermans wrote: > Having only recently loaded Ubuntu 7.1 on a spare computer, I am > striving (on and off) to come to grips with it. I plan, ultimately, > to switch completely to Ubuntu if I can learn to live with it. I have > decided that the best way to determine it's suitability is simply to > use it as much as I can and attempt to configure things as I go along. > But I have a chicken and egg problem - how to wean myself off of > Windows (XP)? I will also need to assess which, for me, are the most > suitable OSS replacement for my favourite Windows based programs. I > figure this will take me a year. > > First things first. Should I?: > 1. Set up a dual boot or, > 2. Install a second HDD or > 3. Simply network two computers? > In each case I might need some assistance/advice. > > I have been watching, with great interest, the flow of emails from > this group. So much advice and information. So much to know! > Trouble is I don't know what I don't know. So I am tempted to save > everything - just in case. But that is ridiculous! Does someone have > a good management system for "just in case" information? Maybe I > should just ignore things that are not (yet) affecting me? > > Compliments of the season to all > > Dave W > Dave, I've made a gradual switch to Ubuntu, started 12 months ago. To start with I installed it on an old machine, got it up and running, somehow converted all my emails from Outlook to Evolution (I think I used a 2 step process to convert to Thunderbird on windows and then to Evolution). I kept two machines going for awhile, and found I was using XP less and less. Finally, just before Christmas, I purchased a 320gig HDD for the XP machine, set it up to dual boot and mostly just use Ubuntu now. (I use XXClone to clone the XP partition onto the new HDD, then used gparted to partition the HDD for XP and Linux.) I still use the XP machine for watching movies, haven't yet found a way to successfully watch then with Ubuntu - and have had trouble with the video card trying to get it to play nicely with the TV. I have trouble with printing in Ubuntu as my HP Laserjet 3100 has no linux drivers. However, the other printer HP inkjet 3550 seems to work better in Ubuntu than XP. Overall, I want to throw Windows out the window. My kids still use XP, some of the online games, especially those with shockwave, won't work on a linux machine. Archives are a good place for old emails: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/ I also have created 'storage' folders where I store emails I want to keep. Keeps the inbox clear. Hope that helps some. Greg. > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
