Re: Ubuntu - never again - please read
On 05/09/10 14:58, James Takac wrote: Hi Terry On Sunday 05 September 2010 13:48:51 Terry Brock wrote: I use ubuntu on both of my computers and except for normal hicups I have found it to work every time I think that whoever started this thread has not give th OS and the community a fair go Terry Likewise I have 6 pc's with Ubuntu on them. # of them dual booting with windows. 2 of those with Vista and one with win 7. Ubuntu 10.04 on 2 dual boot systems working fine. All OS's have their hiccups. I had similar with xp a few years back. Turned out to be a corrupted download of a service pack at that point and left me having to reinstall xp from scratch. No matter what OS is chosen there will be hicups at some point. Mostly minor ones and the occasional hum dinger. Part of life. It happens I'll repeat a Q now for Rob Did you verify the checksum after downloading Ubuntu? Did you run the media check on the disk b4 trying an install? Did you burn the disk at your lowest possible speed? Doing a fast burn can result in a disk that wont read well in less sensitive drives Not checking the 1st 2 leaves you open to the possibility that either the download was corrupted resulting in a faulty disk. or the burn didn't go as well as should have due an a error at burning time that didn't get picked up or a possible disk error re the cd you burnt to. I've had cd's fail in the past for the above reasons. Maybe the your end? As you (Rob) also don't give any specifics it's hard to pin down where your problem is. Thousands of people as far as I know are using 10.04 so your assertions only really relate to a bad experience your end. If had a dist upgrade trash my system years ago but that hasn't soured me. These things do happen on occasion. Sounds like you're quick to blame Ubuntu but not quick to find out why your prob occurred. It's oft easier to just lay the blame somewhere and then leave it at that. It takes work to actually go in search of the real culprit Why not help us to help you. The more you can give us re your situation the better the chance of resolving your prob, e.g. hardware setup, how you burned the disk, did you check the checksum or run the media check b4 installing, how did you go about your install,. The more info the better. I'm thankful I didn't time a dist upgrade for this morning as the line transformer blew. Had that happened in the middle of the upgrade I'm sure I'd have to install from scratch. My point there is that many things can affect your outcome. Maybe something you didn't notice James Not sure why you are referring to me in your reply James? Rob -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu - never again - please read
On 05/09/2010 17:43, Rob Dawson wrote: On 05/09/10 14:58, James Takac wrote: Hi Terry On Sunday 05 September 2010 13:48:51 Terry Brock wrote: I use ubuntu on both of my computers and except for normal hicups I have found it to work every time I think that whoever started this thread has not give th OS and the community a fair go Terry Likewise I have 6 pc's with Ubuntu on them. # of them dual booting with windows. 2 of those with Vista and one with win 7. Ubuntu 10.04 on 2 dual boot systems working fine. All OS's have their hiccups. I had similar with xp a few years back. Turned out to be a corrupted download of a service pack at that point and left me having to reinstall xp from scratch. No matter what OS is chosen there will be hicups at some point. Mostly minor ones and the occasional hum dinger. Part of life. It happens I'll repeat a Q now for Rob Did you verify the checksum after downloading Ubuntu? Did you run the media check on the disk b4 trying an install? Did you burn the disk at your lowest possible speed? Doing a fast burn can result in a disk that wont read well in less sensitive drives Not checking the 1st 2 leaves you open to the possibility that either the download was corrupted resulting in a faulty disk. or the burn didn't go as well as should have due an a error at burning time that didn't get picked up or a possible disk error re the cd you burnt to. I've had cd's fail in the past for the above reasons. Maybe the your end? As you (Rob) also don't give any specifics it's hard to pin down where your problem is. Thousands of people as far as I know are using 10.04 so your assertions only really relate to a bad experience your end. If had a dist upgrade trash my system years ago but that hasn't soured me. These things do happen on occasion. Sounds like you're quick to blame Ubuntu but not quick to find out why your prob occurred. It's oft easier to just lay the blame somewhere and then leave it at that. It takes work to actually go in search of the real culprit Why not help us to help you. The more you can give us re your situation the better the chance of resolving your prob, e.g. hardware setup, how you burned the disk, did you check the checksum or run the media check b4 installing, how did you go about your install,. The more info the better. I'm thankful I didn't time a dist upgrade for this morning as the line transformer blew. Had that happened in the middle of the upgrade I'm sure I'd have to install from scratch. My point there is that many things can affect your outcome. Maybe something you didn't notice James Not sure why you are referring to me in your reply James? Rob 'Cause you're such a very likeable person? :-) And your name is one half of the legendary name, Rob Roy? :-) BC -- ...more people are driven insane through religious hysteria than by drinking alcohol. W C Fields -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Ubuntu - never again - please read.
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, Once only have I actually had Ubuntu install cleanly and run (dual boot with Win XP). The Ubuntu version was from memory, 8.04 and not a serious contender to Windows in my humble opinion. I tried very recently and again today with 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and 10.04.1 (Maverick Meerkat). Ubuntu ver 10.04 installs ok and leaves me looking at a lovely red screen. No task bar, no icons, in fact nothing. Ubuntu ver 10.04.1 installs ok but then trips over it's feet at the Grub boot option for either Win XP or Ubuntu. Both show but Ubuntu refuses to boot and round in circles we go. Sorry Ladies and Gentlemen, Ubuntu may be a challenge to Microsoft in all it's various OS flavours but getting to the actual Ubuntu desktop is where the wheels fall off. Please, or when the Ubuntu development team build a reliable dual boot option (with a GUI interface) into Wubi it may be worth my time to try Ubuntu again but once bitten, twice shy. I have seen some forum posts regarding problems with the latest version of the Grub boot loader. My simplistic view is that insufficient pre-release testing was carried out. Having wasted several hours on a non-starter, ie;, Ubuntu, puts me firmly back in the Windows fold and quite frankly I have given up on Ubuntu. After my negative comments above I expect I shall not receive a reply. Mark Hill. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu - never again - please read.
On 03/09/2010 23:26, Mark Hill wrote: Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, Once only have I actually had Ubuntu install cleanly and run (dual boot with Win XP). The Ubuntu version was from memory, 8.04 and not a serious contender to Windows in my humble opinion. I tried very recently and again today with 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and 10.04.1 (Maverick Meerkat). Me thinks that you are either deliberately trying to stir the pot (ie, trolling) or you are just clueless - which is why you are having the trouble you are trying to convey here something, which you know nothing about, for us to believe. 10.04.1, which you quote above, is *NOT* Maverick Meerkat. Maverick is 10.10, and Beta #1 was released a day ago. Meerkat will be released in October (10 October). 10.04.1 is the first 'upgrade' of Lucid, 10.04 released last April. Ubuntu ver 10.04 installs ok and leaves me looking at a lovely red screen. No task bar, no icons, in fact nothing. The screen colour is, actually, called mauve. But there should be a panel at the top of the screen, and a panel at the bottom of the screen (both with some info in each); the rest of the screen is clean with nothing except the mauve colourThis is normal. Ubuntu ver 10.04.1 installs ok but then trips over it's feet at the Grub boot option for either Win XP or Ubuntu. Both show but Ubuntu refuses to boot and round in circles we go. Sorry Ladies and Gentlemen, Ubuntu may be a challenge to Microsoft in all it's various OS flavours but getting to the actual Ubuntu desktop is where the wheels fall off. I have, and many others, installed Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.04.1 and now even Beta #1 of 10.10 (Meerkat) on dual-booting system without any problems. Not a sinlge glitch. What you need to do is to tell us exactly what your system is about (laptop, desktop, which Windows version you have installed, etc) so that people can help you. Please, or when the Ubuntu development team build a reliable dual boot option (with a GUI interface) into Wubi it may be worth my time to try Ubuntu again but once bitten, twice shy. Ah, so you are trying to install Ubuntu using Wubi on a Windows system? Have you done all the things in the Windows OS to create the space for Ubuntu? Have you read the documentation here?: http://wubi-installer.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community I have seen some forum posts regarding problems with the latest version of the Grub boot loader. My simplistic view is that insufficient pre-release testing was carried out. It is indeed a simplistic view. Which latest Grub bootloader are you referring to? The latest Grub 1a? Having wasted several hours on a non-starter, ie;, Ubuntu, puts me firmly back in the Windows fold and quite frankly I have given up on Ubuntu. If you don't succeed, try and try again. After my negative comments above I expect I shall not receive a reply. Nobody in the Ubuntu community ignores a cry for help - and will always give it, provided the person crying out for help is genuine about asking for help. Mark Hill. BC -- ...more people are driven insane through religious hysteria than by drinking alcohol. W C Fields -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu - never again - please read.
Hi Basil On Sunday 05 September 2010 00:45:47 Basil Chupin wrote: On 03/09/2010 23:26, Mark Hill wrote: Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, Once only have I actually had Ubuntu install cleanly and run (dual boot with Win XP). The Ubuntu version was from memory, 8.04 and not a serious contender to Windows in my humble opinion. I tried very recently and again today with 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and 10.04.1 (Maverick Meerkat). Me thinks that you are either deliberately trying to stir the pot (ie, trolling) or you are just clueless - which is why you are having the trouble you are trying to convey here something, which you know nothing about, for us to believe. 10.04.1, which you quote above, is *NOT* Maverick Meerkat. Maverick is 10.10, and Beta #1 was released a day ago. Meerkat will be released in October (10 October). 10.04.1 is the first 'upgrade' of Lucid, 10.04 released last April. Ubuntu ver 10.04 installs ok and leaves me looking at a lovely red screen. No task bar, no icons, in fact nothing. The screen colour is, actually, called mauve. But there should be a panel at the top of the screen, and a panel at the bottom of the screen (both with some info in each); the rest of the screen is clean with nothing except the mauve colourThis is normal. Ubuntu ver 10.04.1 installs ok but then trips over it's feet at the Grub boot option for either Win XP or Ubuntu. Both show but Ubuntu refuses to boot and round in circles we go. Sorry Ladies and Gentlemen, Ubuntu may be a challenge to Microsoft in all it's various OS flavours but getting to the actual Ubuntu desktop is where the wheels fall off. I have, and many others, installed Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.04.1 and now even Beta #1 of 10.10 (Meerkat) on dual-booting system without any problems. Not a sinlge glitch. What you need to do is to tell us exactly what your system is about (laptop, desktop, which Windows version you have installed, etc) so that people can help you. Please, or when the Ubuntu development team build a reliable dual boot option (with a GUI interface) into Wubi it may be worth my time to try Ubuntu again but once bitten, twice shy. Ah, so you are trying to install Ubuntu using Wubi on a Windows system? Have you done all the things in the Windows OS to create the space for Ubuntu? Have you read the documentation here?: http://wubi-installer.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community I have seen some forum posts regarding problems with the latest version of the Grub boot loader. My simplistic view is that insufficient pre-release testing was carried out. It is indeed a simplistic view. Which latest Grub bootloader are you referring to? The latest Grub 1a? Having wasted several hours on a non-starter, ie;, Ubuntu, puts me firmly back in the Windows fold and quite frankly I have given up on Ubuntu. If you don't succeed, try and try again. After my negative comments above I expect I shall not receive a reply. Nobody in the Ubuntu community ignores a cry for help - and will always give it, provided the person crying out for help is genuine about asking for help. Mark Hill. BC It sounds like he aint very knowledgeable at that. Yes it can happen that one runs into problems during the install. Hell I've been thru that. Even with windows, e.g. the install of xp sp2 when it first came out left me in a loop where the system would go into an endless reboot loop. That was fun. I've had probs with some ubuntu installs in the past but mostly they were my own fault. It's possible Mark may have had a faulty cd? Mark, if you're listening, did you run a check on the cd from the menu after booting it? You should check the integrity of any cd b4 trying to install imho. That's prob the root of many install probs. I have 10.04 on 2 systems at this moment. Only prob I had was the freeze at just over 90% which is actually nothing serious and easily recovered from. I'll be updating my other systems to 10.04 soon as it stands So Mark. Check your install cd for defects with it's media check. Does it pass or fail? If it failed what speed did you burn the disk at? I always recommend the slowest speed your system will allow. Try burning it again. Did youcheck the integrity of the download? Did the checksum match? If not then the cd will have issues likely from that. That also happens, i.e. corrupted downloads. Simple thngs like ths are often overlooked :( James -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu - never again - please read.
On 03/09/10 23:26, Mark Hill wrote: Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, Once only have I actually had Ubuntu install cleanly and run (dual boot with Win XP). The Ubuntu version was from memory, 8.04 and not a serious contender to Windows in my humble opinion. I tried very recently and again today with 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and 10.04.1 (Maverick Meerkat). Ubuntu ver 10.04 installs ok and leaves me looking at a lovely red screen. No task bar, no icons, in fact nothing. Ubuntu ver 10.04.1 installs ok but then trips over it's feet at the Grub boot option for either Win XP or Ubuntu. Both show but Ubuntu refuses to boot and round in circles we go. Sorry Ladies and Gentlemen, Ubuntu may be a challenge to Microsoft in all it's various OS flavours but getting to the actual Ubuntu desktop is where the wheels fall off. Please, or when the Ubuntu development team build a reliable dual boot option (with a GUI interface) into Wubi it may be worth my time to try Ubuntu again but once bitten, twice shy. I have seen some forum posts regarding problems with the latest version of the Grub boot loader. My simplistic view is that insufficient pre-release testing was carried out. Having wasted several hours on a non-starter, ie;, Ubuntu, puts me firmly back in the Windows fold and quite frankly I have given up on Ubuntu. After my negative comments above I expect I shall not receive a reply. Mark Hill. And I have been using Ubuntu successfully and very happily since 7.04. I have installed it on desktop PC's and laptops of various flavours and strengths, and have never had an install (or an in-place upgrade) fail me. I work in an exclusively Windows environment at work on my laptop with Linux as the only OS. VirtualBox is my way around this but one of the greatest strengths of using Linux is that I have choice, free choice - I could use Wine or dual boot, it's just that VirtualBox suits me personally. And one of the best things I have found in my 5 or so years in 'Linux world' is that the community is so vast and so prepared to help with any question or issue that I ask of it, that I find my computing experience is actually enjoyable in a learning and sharing way - something I never got from using Windows. So if you had made the effort to ask instead of blazing away with misplaced, unfair and inaccurate statements then I'm 100% confident your issues would have been resolved and you could have enjoyed the experience as the rest of us do. Unless, as BC said, you're just a troll and in which case you probably just need to get on with your life and try to find something positive in it, rather than stalking those of us who enjoy what we do. Rob -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu - never again - please read
I use ubuntu on both of my computers and except for normal hicups I have found it to work every time I think that whoever started this thread has not give th OS and the community a fair go Terry -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu - never again - please read
Hi Terry On Sunday 05 September 2010 13:48:51 Terry Brock wrote: I use ubuntu on both of my computers and except for normal hicups I have found it to work every time I think that whoever started this thread has not give th OS and the community a fair go Terry Likewise I have 6 pc's with Ubuntu on them. # of them dual booting with windows. 2 of those with Vista and one with win 7. Ubuntu 10.04 on 2 dual boot systems working fine. All OS's have their hiccups. I had similar with xp a few years back. Turned out to be a corrupted download of a service pack at that point and left me having to reinstall xp from scratch. No matter what OS is chosen there will be hicups at some point. Mostly minor ones and the occasional hum dinger. Part of life. It happens I'll repeat a Q now for Rob Did you verify the checksum after downloading Ubuntu? Did you run the media check on the disk b4 trying an install? Did you burn the disk at your lowest possible speed? Doing a fast burn can result in a disk that wont read well in less sensitive drives Not checking the 1st 2 leaves you open to the possibility that either the download was corrupted resulting in a faulty disk. or the burn didn't go as well as should have due an a error at burning time that didn't get picked up or a possible disk error re the cd you burnt to. I've had cd's fail in the past for the above reasons. Maybe the your end? As you (Rob) also don't give any specifics it's hard to pin down where your problem is. Thousands of people as far as I know are using 10.04 so your assertions only really relate to a bad experience your end. If had a dist upgrade trash my system years ago but that hasn't soured me. These things do happen on occasion. Sounds like you're quick to blame Ubuntu but not quick to find out why your prob occurred. It's oft easier to just lay the blame somewhere and then leave it at that. It takes work to actually go in search of the real culprit Why not help us to help you. The more you can give us re your situation the better the chance of resolving your prob, e.g. hardware setup, how you burned the disk, did you check the checksum or run the media check b4 installing, how did you go about your install,. The more info the better. I'm thankful I didn't time a dist upgrade for this morning as the line transformer blew. Had that happened in the middle of the upgrade I'm sure I'd have to install from scratch. My point there is that many things can affect your outcome. Maybe something you didn't notice James -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
