[Bug 539035] Re: Please backport daemontools source package

2010-03-16 Thread Neil Wilson
We really need to backport 1:0.76-3ubuntu1 as this caters for the older
upstart version in hardy. Failing that, the attached debdiff does the
trick on 3ubuntu2.

** Attachment added: "Revert 3ubuntu2 changes"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40999570/hardy-patch.debdiff.gz

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[Bug 539035] Re: Please backport daemontools source package

2010-03-15 Thread Neil Wilson
Test package built in ppa:neil-aldur/experimental. Builds from source
OK.

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[Bug 539035] [NEW] Please backport daemontools source package

2010-03-15 Thread Neil Wilson
Public bug reported:

Backport 1:0.76-3ubuntu2 of daemontools from karmic/lucid.

Daemontools doesn't exist in the Hardy repos at all.

** Affects: hardy-backports
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 225466] Re: Please backport libgems-ruby from Intrepid

2008-06-06 Thread Neil Wilson
'Triaged' means tested in this process. It won't get done any faster if
you don't follow the process

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#head-
5523e47badd3e3ea3f7aebebb0ebf23bfc76129f

We are now in the hands of the backporting team, who are volunteers and
busy guys. I find patience and the right level of lobbying on IRC tends
to do the trick.

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[Bug 225466] Re: Please backport libgems-ruby from Intrepid

2008-06-04 Thread Neil Wilson
Good to go I feel.

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[Bug 129922] Re: backport 'apr' from Feisty to Dapper

2007-09-14 Thread Neil Wilson
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   Status: Incomplete => Invalid

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[Bug 129926] Re: backport 'apr-util' from Feisty to Dapper

2007-09-14 Thread Neil Wilson
** Changed in: dapper-backports
   Status: Incomplete => Invalid

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Re: [Bug 80609] Re: Port apache2 2.2.3 from feisty back to dapper

2007-08-04 Thread Neil Wilson
It's good to know that a new LTS is around the corner.

It seems to me that you have a 'complete replacement' policy. If that
policy won't flex then this bug is a WONTFIX.

The difference with apache is that 2.0 *is* supportable and entirely
usable, unless you need the new features. So if something breaks you
back out.

Apache2.2 has been tested extensively on dapper by dozens of Rails
users across the world, in the limited context of a load-balancing
webserver and with a limited set of backported packages. It is a
useful addition to dapper and would probably only be used by that set
of people - although it would give others the opportunity to build on
the work.

On 8/3/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The next LTS is supposed to be Gutsy + 1.

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Re: [Bug 80609] Re: Port apache2 2.2.3 from feisty back to dapper

2007-08-03 Thread Neil Wilson
Thinking about this a little more, I have a feeling that we are coming
at this from different directions.

If it is the case that a backport has to be a drop in replacement for
what is currently in the  distribution, then backporting Apache2.2
would be totally impractical. It conflicts with a lot of modules which
don't have Feisty replacements - libapache2-mod-python24 and
libapache2-mod-php4 for starters.

If 'complete backward compatible replacement' is the policy for
backports then that precludes movement from anything much more than
the +1 release because as time moves on too much needs to be
recompiled and it becomes a waste of effort. It also means that
backports to LTS releases become less and less likely, so the LTS
wastes away.

The obvious solution to that is to make sure that LTS releases happen
at intervals much less than the  actual support period so that LTS
upgrades can be planned in.  Perhaps somebody would be good enough to
ask the question as to when the next LTS can be expected.

The alternative is to see backports as 'augmentation' - particularly
as with Dapper there is a perfectly good and commercially supported
version of apache2 in the distribution. Unlike Feisty, Dapper has
Apache 2.0 at its disposal. You would only go to 2.2 if you needed its
facilities (the case in point being the mod-proxy-balancer widely used
in Rails houses) and the mods you need have been backported. If not
then you get the job of doing the backport on the bit you require!

If you take the 'augmentation' position then you only require a small
number of modules in the backport. Existing modules will conflict
correctly, and yes it may break Bugzilla - but I would suggest that it
is the job of the people who want to run Bugzilla with 2.2 to do the
backport work required to make that combination work on Dapper, not
me. (It may work flawless out of the box. I don't know.).

There is a set of backported Dapper apache2.2 packages on kodefoo
(http://packages.kodefoo.com/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages)
that has worked fine all year on commercial services supporting Rails,
php5 and perl. That's a lot of real world testing backing up the port.

The only reason for getting these into dapper-backports is to refocus
the community on a single set of auto-built backport packages, get any
bugs tracked in the right place and generally save a lot of messing
around with apt-keys or compilations. But if it is going to be a lot
of trouble requiring extensive testing of package combinations no
sensible sysadmin is going to use then we're not going to save any
community time going down this route. kodefoo works after all and PPAs
are just around the corner.

So if policy dictates complete backward compatibility then we need to
move to WONTFIX straight away. However if there is room for an
augmentation approach, I would suggest a subset similar to the kodefoo
archive would be the pragmatic way forward - and would limit the work
required on all sides. I doubt that implementing such a small subset
would cause much in the way of bug reports (except possibly by those
who haven't pinned their backports properly), but it would be of great
value to the Rails community. I would ask that the possibility is
given some consideration.

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Re: [Bug 129926] Re: backport 'apr-util' from Feisty to Dapper

2007-08-03 Thread Neil Wilson
It'll only run apache2.2-common. It isn't used by anything else.

On 8/3/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does it work?  Before backporting we need to know that it will run, not
> just build.
>
> ** Changed in: dapper-backports (upstream)
>Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
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Re: [Bug 129922] Re: backport 'apr' from Feisty to Dapper

2007-08-03 Thread Neil Wilson
Since it is only used by apache2.2-common, it has no impact whatsoever
on anything in Dapper. Nothing there uses it - they use libapr0
instead.

On 8/3/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How does it run?  Does it work with the current version of Apache in
> Dapper or just the new one?
>
> ** Changed in: dapper-backports (upstream)
>Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
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Re: [Bug 80609] Re: Port apache2 2.2.3 from feisty back to dapper

2007-08-02 Thread Neil Wilson
I didn't think Universe was on in Dapper.

On 8/2/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Main and Universe.  Multiverse too if relevant, but I care less about
> that.

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Re: [Bug 80609] Re: Port apache2 2.2.3 from feisty back to dapper

2007-08-02 Thread Neil Wilson
Would that be rdepends within dapper/main?

On 8/2/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As long as all the rdepends are tested it ought to be feasible.

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[Bug 129926] backport 'apr-util' from Feisty to Dapper

2007-08-02 Thread Neil Wilson
Public bug reported:

Required to support backport of apache2.2 to Dapper.

Builds OK on dapper once 'apr' package is built and installed.

** Affects: dapper-backports (upstream)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Confirmed

** Changed in: dapper-backports (upstream)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 129922] backport 'apr' from Feisty to Dapper

2007-08-02 Thread Neil Wilson
Public bug reported:

libapr1 required to support port of apache2.2 to Dapper.

Packages here http://sharkattack.media.mit.edu:8080/dapper-debs/apr/

Build log here:

http://sharkattack.media.mit.edu/inventory/check_builds/55

** Affects: dapper-backports (upstream)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Confirmed

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Re: [Bug 80609] Re: Port apache2 2.2.3 from feisty back to dapper

2007-08-02 Thread Neil Wilson
I appreciate the concern. However this is required in live operation,
and is being done manually by Ruby on Rails houses the world over. So
it can't be that much of a problem otherwise people wouldn't be
building businesses on the back of it.

Certainly I don't hear a lot of complaints of shared library failures,
(but that may be because that bit of the package isn't running.)

Perhaps the dependencies within apache2 are too tight, or perhaps the
package could do with splitting. Running a backport could help bring
that to light.

Real businesses like to use 6.06 LTS for all the usual good reasons of
stability and security. It seems a bit of a failure of free software
that they have to look to unofficial archives, and manual compliation
to get the job done.

What do you need to see to get this through?


On 8/2/07, Lionel Porcheron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This request has already been rejected in the past.
>
> Considering the number of modules you have to backport (43 at first
> approximation) and the time needed for apache2.2 transition during
> feisty dev cycle (we spent something like one moth tracking unmet dep)
> backporting this backport too risky for me.
>
> Let's see what other think... Scott ? :)
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[Bug 80609] Re: Port apache2 2.2.3 from feisty back to dapper

2007-08-01 Thread Neil Wilson
Sharkattack obviously doesn't like multiple package builds!

'apr', 'aprutil' and 'apache2' confirmed as building on Dapper from the
Feisty packages via prevu.

Add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list to pick up the test packages.

deb http://accounts4free.rubyforge.org/ubuntu dapper main

Please test installation.

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[Bug 80609] Re: Port apache2 2.2.3 from feisty back to dapper

2007-08-01 Thread Neil Wilson
Yep. Need to build 'apr' and 'apr-util' first. Pity that sharkattack
doesn't try that for you automatically.

I've switched to manual 'prevu'. It seems easier.

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