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Re: [ubuntu-tr] defrag ..

2011-10-16 Thread M . Emin Akşehirli

Merhaba amon,

*nix için dosya sistemleri defrag'a ihtiyaç duymayacak şekilde
tasarlanmıştır. Bu yüzden defrag programı bulamayabilirsin.

İşlerinizde kolaylıklar dilerim.

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2011/10/12 amon debian amon.deb...@gmail.com:
 merhaba,

 ubuntu için defrag programları hangileridir? genelde hangisi önerilir?

 teşekkürler ...






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Re: [ubuntu-in] Kubuntu 11.04 -11.10

2011-10-16 Thread mohi

Hey all,

Just try avoiding the upgrading process to the newly released 11.10. The
main reason for this is

1) Filesystem Hierarchy standards change in the Debian family
2) Clash in the file organization.

Kindly go for a fresh install or wait for few weeks to get all the bugs
found and fixed (If you really want to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10)


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Kubuntu 11.04 -11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Abhinav Upadhyay

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 12:09 PM, mohi mohanc...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 Hey all,

 Just try avoiding the upgrading process to the newly released 11.10. The
 main reason for this is

 1) Filesystem Hierarchy standards change in the Debian family
 2) Clash in the file organization.

 Kindly go for a fresh install or wait for few weeks to get all the bugs
 found and fixed (If you really want to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10)

I upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 and haven't seen any weird behaviour
except I have a reduced battery life which is probably related to the
Kernel power regression bug getting aggravated.

But yeah, your mileage may vary with.

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[ubuntu-in] open source software for contribution

2011-10-16 Thread Shrinivasan T

friends.

this is project time for students.

instead of buying projects from project centers, let us help them to
contribute to any open source software.

need your help on listing the open source software in ubuntu for
contributions.

please collect a list so that we can ask the students to contribute.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] open source software for contribution

2011-10-16 Thread Kingsly John

+++ Shrinivasan T [2011-10-16 13:50:32]:

 this is project time for students.
 
 instead of buying projects from project centers, let us help them to
 contribute to any open source software.
 
 need your help on listing the open source software in ubuntu for
 contributions.
 
 please collect a list so that we can ask the students to contribute.


What is the need for a list? Every single project welcomes contributions. 

But this is an impractical idea.(And a very bad one at that)  

1) Students dumb enough to buy projects are obviously special, and we
shouldn't try to mess with natural selection and should allow them to find
their own way to extinction and we'd be doing humanity a great disservice if
we hinder their speedy path to Darwin Awards.

2) Most students in India, even engineering students are used to being
spoon-fed. So making a list of projects and asking them to contribute will
just not work. FOSS projects are meritocracies, so even if they land a
project, if the student isn't capable of contributing/can't finish his/her
contribution in time. They might still be left with no option to buy
projects to fulfill their college/university requirements.  (Whereas most
local companies won't mind giving a letter(out of pity), stating that
they were happy with the student's work even if they were a total failure.)

3) Most open source projects are driven by volunteers who don't
have the time to hand-hold/train these students on how to work. And if we
start sending hundreds if not thousands of students to attack the maintainers
of these software asking for projects. The end result will be a gross
wastage of limited spare time that these contributors get.

4) Most colleges/universities are stuck in the dark ages and do not accept
open source contributions as a legitimate project, because they don't come
with letterheads and rubberstamps.(I know of GSoC participants who have been
forced to a second project to satisfy the whims of the dinosaurs that run our
education system)

So please don't go around telling every student you know to contribute to
opensource software as a college project.

Tell them to participate in opensource, but not just for the sake of the
college project.

The smart students are already participating in programs like GSoC/Fedora
Summer of Coding and others and are doing a good job matching up with some of
the smartest students in the world. So we just need to get more students to
compete for those slots. 

And projects like  GSoC/Fedora Summer of Coding have someone from the project
who willing to spare time to mentor the students. This is a huge benefit for
students. We should be encouraging the students to prepare for and
participate in such programs. 

We need more programs like the Durgapur LUG's summer training program (
http://wiki.dgplug.org/index.php/SummerTraining ) which teach students how
things work in the opensource world, and prepares them to approach things the
right way. (For rather obvious reasons we don't want our gazillion students
spamming all the public lists and authors directly with sms-speak emails
HAI! I CAN HAZ PROEJCTZ???PLZ?? KTHXBYE.)

And more importantly we should be educating the staff/management of these
colleges to accept opensource contributions as legitimate projects.

-
TL;DR: If students are already buying projects. We should let them go their
merry way. It is too late to help them. If they want to contribute to FOSS
projects, they need to be told/taught how to do it the right way and they
should do it through existing programs like GSoC/FSoC without wasting the
limited/valuable time of the project maintainers/contributors.
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[ubuntu-in] adding the same packages in a new installation

2011-10-16 Thread Moz

Hello All,

I am using Natty 64 bit on my computer. I would like to do a new install of
Oneiric 64 bit. I do not have good internet connection at home, so I have to
go elsewhere to download packages. I usually follow the following procedure
for a new installation:

1. save markings including the full state in synaptics from the existing
installation
2. install the new OS in a VMbox
3. in the new installation, open synaptics, read the markings from a saved
file, generate a download script.
4. go to a fast internet place, download all the packages and then bring
them back home, run dpkg to install the downloaded debs

When I tried this for Oneiric, there were 6 broken packages, when I tried to
remove them and move on, the packages are held (not removed) and synaptic
can not generate the download script or download the packages at all.

Is there some other way to do this?

Sincerely,

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] comment passer de 10.10 à 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre

Assurez-vous d'utiliser une connection filaire. Il y a présentement un
problème lié à l'utilisation du wifi pour la mise à niveau.

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2011/10/15 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca

 **
 J'utilise Ubuntu depuis 8.04 et j'ai toujours changé de version en faisant
 la mise à niveau suggérée dans le système de mise à jour exceptée pour la
 dernière version 11.04. J'entendais tellement que choses sur Unity que je ne
 me suis pas risqué. Maintenant que 11.10 est disponible et qu'elle contient
 Gnome 3, j'aimerais savoir comment passé de 10.10  à 11.10.
 Dois-je faire la mise à niveau à 11.04 avant?
 J'ai un /home séparé mais depuis 8.04 j'ai ajouté évidemment beaucoup de
 programmes que je ne voudrais pas réinstaller
 Je suis prêt à attendre quelques jours en laissant passer la ruée initiale.

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] comment passer de 10.10 à 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Andre Cotte

Un backup, c'est jamais une mauvaise idée.  Quant à Unity après quelques jours 
on finit par aimer.

Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca a écrit :

Le 2011-10-16 01:19, Steve Nadeau a écrit :
 Bonjour Michel!

 je viens de faire exactement cette migration, de 10.10 à 11.04 à 
 11.10, aucun problèmes, en plus rien à réinstaller, toutefois, il faut 
 réactiver les dépôts et les adapter en fonction de la version 11.10.

 pour le reste, aucun problème et Unity est pas mal plus à point 
 maintenant qu'avec la 11.04...
 c'est une nouvelle façon de faire les choses et c'est pas mal mien 
 maintenant, le temps de s'habituer aux changements... et on adopte...

 bonne chance!


 2011/10/15 Michel Leduc mledu...@videotron.ca 
 mailto:mledu...@videotron.ca

 J'utilise Ubuntu depuis 8.04 et j'ai toujours changé de version en
 faisant la mise à niveau suggérée dans le système de mise à jour
 exceptée pour la dernière version 11.04. J'entendais tellement que
 choses sur Unity que je ne me suis pas risqué. Maintenant que
 11.10 est disponible et qu'elle contient Gnome 3, j'aimerais
 savoir comment passé de 10.10  à 11.10.
 Dois-je faire la mise à niveau à 11.04 avant?
 J'ai un /home séparé mais depuis 8.04 j'ai ajouté évidemment
 beaucoup de programmes que je ne voudrais pas réinstaller
 Je suis prêt à attendre quelques jours en laissant passer la ruée
 initiale.

 Que me conseiller vous?

 Merci à l'avance



Autres questions avant de me lancer...

Est-ce facile après la mise à niveau 11.04 de trouver 
SystèmeAdministrationMise à niveau  pour passer à 11.10?
Étant donné l'âge de mon fichier /home en backup sur  un disque 
Externe USB, il est en NTSF parce que dans le temps j'avais windows, 
ceci causerais problème?
Sur ma version 10.10 je suis toujours en ext3, il est possible de 
passer à ext4?
J'avais pensé acquérir un nouveau disque externe, le formater en ext4, 
faire un Backup du /home et après seulement , faire ce que suggèges, 
Estce la meilleure marche à suivre?


Merci Steve



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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] comment passer de 10.10 à 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Gilbert Dion

Le 16 octobre 2011 23:20, Andre Cotte an...@cotte.ca a écrit :

 [...]

Autres questions avant de me lancer...
 
 Est-ce facile après la mise à niveau 11.04 de trouver
 SystèmeAdministrationMise à niveau  pour passer à 11.10?


Si vous vous retrouvez avec l'interface Unity, ce sera différent. Vous
cliquez alors sur le logo Ubuntu, dans le coin supérieur gauche, et entrez
ces quelques lettres: «mise» et vous verrez apparaitre l'icône du
Gestionnaire des mises à jour. Démarrez-le en cliquant dessus et faites le
passage vers Oneiric.

Étant donné l'âge de mon fichier /home en backup sur  un disque
 Externe USB, il est en NTSF parce que dans le temps j'avais windows,
 ceci causerais problème?


Pour cette question, je ne suis pas sûr de bien comprendre. Le système de
fichiers sur lequel vous avez fait votre sauvegarde (ni même cette
sauvegarde) ne devrait pas avoir de conséquence sur votre mise à niveau du
système, pas plus que sur votre «home séparé». Je ne comprends pas votre
inquiétude à propos de cette sauvegarde.


 Sur ma version 10.10 je suis toujours en ext3, il est possible de
 passer à ext4?
 J'avais pensé acquérir un nouveau disque externe, le formater en ext4,
 faire un Backup du /home et après seulement , faire ce que suggèges,
  Estce la meilleure marche à suivre?

 Je ne crois pas qu'on puisse changer le système de fichiers d'une
installation. Changer de système de fichiers, c'est formater le disque avec
un autre système de fichiers. C'est pareil que pour passer de FAT à NTFS: on
ne peut le faire autrement qu'en formatant le disque. Il faut donc
sauvegarder l'installation ailleurs, formater le disque en ext4 et recopier
la sauvegarde sur le système ext4. En tout cas, c'est ainsi que je
procéderais. Mais je ne vois toujours pas pourquoi le système de fichier du
disque où vous ferez votre sauvegarde changerait quoi que ce soit à
l'affaire. Peut-être d'autres auront-il l'expertise requise pour comprendre
ces questions et y répondre.

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[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: Not getting the list anymore.

2011-10-16 Thread Barry Drake

Can anyone comment on this?

 Original Message 
Subject:Not getting the list anymore.
Date:   Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:22:38 +
From:   Michael Daniels michae...@hotmail.co.uk
To: b.dr...@ntlworld.com

Hi, Barry, hope you are doing ok.
I am not getting the Ubuntu list anymore.
My last activity was a (forbidden) top post reply on a broadband dongles 
thread.
I tried to factually answer the help request, can not think of any 
reason why my posting might have led to a ban. I have used a Huawei 
dongle on my Dell 1525 for years.

Be pleased to know why I am blocked, please.
Regards and thanks, Michael.

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[ubuntu-uk] Touchpad problem ....

2011-10-16 Thread Barry Drake

Hi there  anyone come across anything like this?  I bought a Samsung 
N145 Plus Netbook from the very helpful guy on e-bay I told you about.  
I came pre-loaded with Ubuntu 11.04 and seemed fine until I installed a 
couple of apps, after which the touchpad appeared to die.  The guy I 
bought it from was convinced it was going to be a software fauld and 
although he would have accepted it back, I felt encouraged to look 
deeper.  He had sent me some helpful links, one of which was a page on 
the Ubuntu Bug wiki giving detailed instructions for detailed diagnosis 
and reporting.


Eventually, I popped the LiveCD of 10.04 in and the touchpad worked when 
I booted this.  I did a fresh install, and everything seemed fine.  Then 
I shut down and when I re-booted, the touchpad had disappeared again.  
Instead of a touchpad, the kernel had installed it as a PS2 Generic 
wheel mouse, so of course it didn't do anything.  The thing is, after 
that, the pad wouldn't work even when booting from any of the Live CDs I 
tried - 10.10 up to 11.10.  I took the battery out because obviously 
something was 'remembering' that I didn't have a touchpad.  Still no 
luck.  This morning, I thought that the only place that anything could 
have been stored was the bios flash memory.


After a bios reset to defaults, the touchpad came back on line again and 
try as I might, I can't seem to break it again.


Any thoughts?  I'm really curious.  The touchpad gets installed as an 
ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad.


Regards,Barry.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Touchpad problem ....

2011-10-16 Thread bodsda

Regardless of what software you install, and with the exception of hardware 
faults, a clean live cd should always yield the same results.

Inconsistencies of live cd boots would lead me to look for a hardware problem. 

But as you can no longer reproduce the issue, identifying the cause will be 
very difficult.

Bodsda 
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Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Touchpad problem 

Hi there  anyone come across anything like this?  I bought a Samsung 
N145 Plus Netbook from the very helpful guy on e-bay I told you about.  
I came pre-loaded with Ubuntu 11.04 and seemed fine until I installed a 
couple of apps, after which the touchpad appeared to die.  The guy I 
bought it from was convinced it was going to be a software fauld and 
although he would have accepted it back, I felt encouraged to look 
deeper.  He had sent me some helpful links, one of which was a page on 
the Ubuntu Bug wiki giving detailed instructions for detailed diagnosis 
and reporting.

Eventually, I popped the LiveCD of 10.04 in and the touchpad worked when 
I booted this.  I did a fresh install, and everything seemed fine.  Then 
I shut down and when I re-booted, the touchpad had disappeared again.  
Instead of a touchpad, the kernel had installed it as a PS2 Generic 
wheel mouse, so of course it didn't do anything.  The thing is, after 
that, the pad wouldn't work even when booting from any of the Live CDs I 
tried - 10.10 up to 11.10.  I took the battery out because obviously 
something was 'remembering' that I didn't have a touchpad.  Still no 
luck.  This morning, I thought that the only place that anything could 
have been stored was the bios flash memory.

After a bios reset to defaults, the touchpad came back on line again and 
try as I might, I can't seem to break it again.

Any thoughts?  I'm really curious.  The touchpad gets installed as an 
ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad.

Regards,Barry.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Touchpad problem ....

2011-10-16 Thread Barry Drake


On 16/10/11 16:29, bod...@googlemail.com wrote:

Regardless of what software you install, and with the exception of hardware 
faults, a clean live cd should always yield the same results.
Inconsistencies of live cd boots would lead me to look for a hardware problem.
But as you can no longer reproduce the issue, identifying the cause will be 
very difficult.
Oh I agree!  However, the bios is a layer between the hardware and the 
OS, and this bios has a setting for disabling the touchpad, so it could 
get in the way.  The inconsistency is the real mystery, but if the fault 
fails to re-appear, I think I can blame it on something that the bios 
was doing.


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2011-10-16 Thread alan c

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[ubuntu-uk] Xubuntu 11.10 Problems

2011-10-16 Thread Nigel Verity


Hi
I'd be interested to learn the experiences of anybody installing Xubuntu 11.10 
from scratch or upgrading from 11.04. I've tried both today and had some real 
problems. The online upgrade crashed, the system recovery option on the LiveCD 
didn't work and the full install has resulted in a system whereby most of the 
theme settings are ignored by most applications, so that the whole OS is stuck 
with the look of classic Windows 3!
I've gone back to 11.04 and everything is fine again; rock-solid as it has been 
from the day it was released. Consequently, I don't think the problem is purely 
down to my hardware (Acer 1410 laptop).
Leaving aside the cosmetic issues, I didn't spot any new features or functions 
in 11.10 that really justified the upgrade. Possibly a cautionary tale for 
anybody considering moving up.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Xubuntu 11.10 Problems

2011-10-16 Thread Phill Whiteside

Hi,

I'm not really au fait with Xubuntu, but I do know they tied them selves to
LightDM, where as Lubuntu decided it was not really going to ready for 11.10
and stuck with lxdm. I have no idea if your sticking with xcfe with 11.10
would help, it is just a suggestion.

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Nigel Verity nigelver...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Hi

 I'd be interested to learn the experiences of anybody installing Xubuntu
 11.10 from scratch or upgrading from 11.04. I've tried both today and had
 some real problems. The online upgrade crashed, the system recovery option
 on the LiveCD didn't work and the full install has resulted in a system
 whereby most of the theme settings are ignored by most applications, so that
 the whole OS is stuck with the look of classic Windows 3!

 I've gone back to 11.04 and everything is fine again; rock-solid as it has
 been from the day it was released. Consequently, I don't think the problem
 is purely down to my hardware (Acer 1410 laptop).

 Leaving aside the cosmetic issues, I didn't spot any new features or
 functions in 11.10 that really justified the upgrade. Possibly a cautionary
 tale for anybody considering moving up.

 Cheers

 Nige

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Re: Initial impressions of 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Robert Cole


Hello.

I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 via Wubi on my laptop about an hour ago, 
and I have not used the a11y PPA. I was able to access the wireless icon 
normally, if that is of any help to you. I find that it is actually 
working wonderfully using Orca.


On 10/15/2011 09:04 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
Oh, and something else I noticed just now that's probably worth 
mentioning:


I installed Unity from the accessibility PPA. Before doing that, I'm 
pretty sure the extra, non-app menu items in the bar spoke (I.e. for 
wireless/network control, sound, etc.) Now after upgrading they no 
longer speak. This seems like it might be a regression in the a11y PPA.


Thanks.


On 10/15/2011 10:46 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are 
my initial impressions.


I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I just 
wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you choose 
to try without installing. Running manually works, but consistency 
would rule.


Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility 
related.


My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca 
manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My 
expectation was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in.


Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start 
it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader toggle 
in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem to find 
a Run Orca on startup option in Orca's preferences anymore.


Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get used 
to the many new commands.


My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In 
Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, but 
I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I tried 
entering Chicago since that's usually the timezone I choose, but 
that doesn't seem to take.


Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In 
particular, many menu items appear this way.


I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D. 
They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some 
feedback from Orca at one point.


All notifications speak Notification: notify-osd. I have to look at 
.cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed.


While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how 
accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't put 
11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with it on 
the netbook.








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Re: Initial impressions of 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Nolan Darilek

Yeah, after installing from the PPA I appear to not only have lost the 
launcher menus, but access to any menu content. That is, if I'm in the 
terminal and press F10, I can't down-arrow into the various submenus.


Hope this gets fixed soon.


On 10/16/2011 01:04 AM, Robert Cole wrote:

Hello.

I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 via Wubi on my laptop about an hour ago, 
and I have not used the a11y PPA. I was able to access the wireless 
icon normally, if that is of any help to you. I find that it is 
actually working wonderfully using Orca.


On 10/15/2011 09:04 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
Oh, and something else I noticed just now that's probably worth 
mentioning:


I installed Unity from the accessibility PPA. Before doing that, I'm 
pretty sure the extra, non-app menu items in the bar spoke (I.e. for 
wireless/network control, sound, etc.) Now after upgrading they no 
longer speak. This seems like it might be a regression in the a11y PPA.


Thanks.


On 10/15/2011 10:46 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are 
my initial impressions.


I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I 
just wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you 
choose to try without installing. Running manually works, but 
consistency would rule.


Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility 
related.


My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca 
manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My 
expectation was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in.


Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start 
it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader 
toggle in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem 
to find a Run Orca on startup option in Orca's preferences anymore.


Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get 
used to the many new commands.


My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In 
Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, 
but I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I 
tried entering Chicago since that's usually the timezone I choose, 
but that doesn't seem to take.


Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In 
particular, many menu items appear this way.


I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D. 
They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some 
feedback from Orca at one point.


All notifications speak Notification: notify-osd. I have to look 
at .cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed.


While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how 
accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't 
put 11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with 
it on the netbook.











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Re: Initial impressions of 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Guy Schlosser

Hi guys, I just wanted to write and say that I have actually installed 
the extra-a11y ppa, and the wireless icons work beautifully by pressing 
f-10. Some times menus say image when you use the left and right arrow 
keys, but when you down-arrow into them, they work as advertised. 
Excellent work on 11.10 accessibility, and I look forward to using 12.04 
when it is released.


Thanks,


Guy


On 10/16/2011 02:04 AM, Robert Cole wrote:

Hello.

I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 via Wubi on my laptop about an hour ago, 
and I have not used the a11y PPA. I was able to access the wireless 
icon normally, if that is of any help to you. I find that it is 
actually working wonderfully using Orca.


On 10/15/2011 09:04 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
Oh, and something else I noticed just now that's probably worth 
mentioning:


I installed Unity from the accessibility PPA. Before doing that, I'm 
pretty sure the extra, non-app menu items in the bar spoke (I.e. for 
wireless/network control, sound, etc.) Now after upgrading they no 
longer speak. This seems like it might be a regression in the a11y PPA.


Thanks.


On 10/15/2011 10:46 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are 
my initial impressions.


I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I 
just wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you 
choose to try without installing. Running manually works, but 
consistency would rule.


Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility 
related.


My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca 
manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My 
expectation was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in.


Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start 
it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader 
toggle in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem 
to find a Run Orca on startup option in Orca's preferences anymore.


Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get 
used to the many new commands.


My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In 
Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, 
but I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I 
tried entering Chicago since that's usually the timezone I choose, 
but that doesn't seem to take.


Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In 
particular, many menu items appear this way.


I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D. 
They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some 
feedback from Orca at one point.


All notifications speak Notification: notify-osd. I have to look 
at .cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed.


While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how 
accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't 
put 11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with 
it on the netbook.











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Re: Initial impressions of 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Luke Yelavich

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 02:46:48AM EST, Guy Schlosser wrote:
 Hi guys, I just wanted to write and say that I have actually
 installed the extra-a11y ppa, and the wireless icons work
 beautifully by pressing f-10. Some times menus say image when you
 use the left and right arrow keys, but when you down-arrow into
 them, they work as advertised. Excellent work on 11.10
 accessibility, and I look forward to using 12.04 when it is
 released.

This is one key area I want to get working right for Ubuntu Precise, hopefully 
to the point that if in the network list, you will hear the signal strength of 
the wireless networks available to you.

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Re: Initial impressions of 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Luke Yelavich

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 08:29:54AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote:
 In either an Oneiric update or in Precise, knowing the signal
 strength, and whether the network is  locked, would be great, as
 would speaking of the notifications.  Maybe Orca bugs are
 responsible for one or both these annoyances?

The network strength changes won't be in oneiric-updates, but precise only, due 
to the underlying infrastructure needing to be extended to provide sed 
information. As for notifications, that is a bug as a result of upstream 
changes in GTK. Getting notifications working again is something I do want to 
get into oneiric-updates.

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speakup under oneiric

2011-10-16 Thread mk360


Hi,

I'm trying to use speakup with speech-dispatcher and speechd-up on 
ubuntu 11.10, but spd only load the dummy module, these are my steps:


sudo apt-get install speechd-up

I added speakup_soft start=1 at the end of the file /etc/modules

When I reboot the computer spd says and error message and speakup 
don't start, but orca works.


What can I do?

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Re: speakup under oneiric

2011-10-16 Thread Jude DaShiell

speechd-up and speakup do not play nicely together.  One or the other is 
possible but not both.On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, mk360 wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to use speakup with speech-dispatcher and speechd-up on ubuntu
 11.10, but spd only load the dummy module, these are my steps:
 
 sudo apt-get install speechd-up
 
 I added speakup_soft start=1 at the end of the file /etc/modules
 
 When I reboot the computer spd says and error message and speakup don't
 start, but orca works.
 
 What can I do?
 
 Regards.
 
 

Jude jdash...@shellworld.net
If I got a nickel for every message I've already sent supporting Microsoft
Windows and its applications I'd have enough to retire on comfortably no
matter what the stock market did.


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Simple upgrade question

2011-10-16 Thread Erik Rasmussen

Does anyone know if Xubuntu 11.10 beta 2 is different than the final
release?

Specifically, I installed Xubuntu 11.10 beta 2 and I'm trying to figure out
if I need to do a clean install to get the FINAL or if it is already the
same as the final release, or if some update will make it final.

I found this
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859274
but mine is not offering any updates since I last updated 7 days ago (which
was before the final was released).

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Re: Simple upgrade question

2011-10-16 Thread Mike Holstein

upgrading all your packages should be all you'll need to do. i have found
that sometimes there can be theme elements and other tweaks like that might
need to be manually updated, but you should be good to go, and have all the
proper updated packages.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Erik Rasmussen mailfore...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know if Xubuntu 11.10 beta 2 is different than the final
 release?

 Specifically, I installed Xubuntu 11.10 beta 2 and I'm trying to figure out
 if I need to do a clean install to get the FINAL or if it is already the
 same as the final release, or if some update will make it final.

 I found this
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859274
 but mine is not offering any updates since I last updated 7 days ago (which
 was before the final was released).

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[Bug 389000] Re: Choose a default backup solution

2011-10-16 Thread Michael Terry

** Changed in: deja-dup (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed = Incomplete

** Changed in: deja-dup (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Fix Released

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mail merge porgram

2011-10-16 Thread Tom Sparks

I am looking for a command line mail merge program that can support barcodes 
(Code 128), that I can run ever 15 minutes
and it sends the resulting file to my printer

I am using windows XP :( , and I have xampp installed

Are there any such programs?


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[Bug 872839] Re: no localised Australian CD ISO

2011-10-16 Thread Chris

OK, what do we need to do this?  I guess a desktop image with a more
Australian theme?   Don't we need to stay with the default colours as
much as possible, otherwise we risk breaking the default theme?.

As a photographer I have a few ideas about this, along the the lines of
a very photo-shopped and abstracted image.

Also the Australian translations which I understand are in progress.  Do
we have to spin the ISO ourselves, or is there an official process?

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[Bug 872839] Re: no localised Australian CD ISO

2011-10-16 Thread Joel Pickett

Hi Chris,

This bug is related to the following blueprint --
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-au-iso-l10n

it's nothing as such official yet, just drafting a few ideas on the
possibilities.

The full spec of that blueprint loosely ties into the main desktop iso
localisation bp at --
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cd-localization

I've merely just copied over the things that would apply to us. Anyone
can spin the iso's but we need to come to a consensus as a team as to
what to include (will be a work in progress very soon).  At the bottom
of the main bp, you'll find details on how to customise/localise a
version of Ubuntu -- note you'll need an oneiric or late machine.

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Re: Application Review Board, call for nominations

2011-10-16 Thread Allison Randal

On 10/08/2011 09:05 AM, Allison Randal wrote:
 In order to get the new members up-to-speed in time for UDS-P, the
 timeline for this recruiting round is:
 
 - Open nominations: now - Oct 14
 - Poll of Ubuntu Developers: Oct 15-19

This poll has been sent out now to all Ubuntu developers. If you didn't
receive a poll notification and should have, let me know.

And, if you've worked with a candidate, feel free to add a testimonial
or comment while you're reviewing their summary wiki page.

 - Review of results by the TB: Oct 20
 - New members announced: Oct 21

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Re: Merge requests for serverguide

2011-10-16 Thread Matthew East

On 13 October 2011 15:51, Ahmed Kamal k...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 The serverguide is no longer being shipped in the archive, which per my
 understanding frees it from typical string freeze ?

I don't think that is the right approach. It's perfectly possible that
translators would be translating the server guide and making those
translations available through their websites or other means. If so
it's a great shame if translation teams are not able to get that done
in time for the release. The only way to allow that to happen is to
respect the same freezes as the rest of the documentation, i.e. to
freeze it prior to the release and allow translations to happen
thereafter.

That's also simpler from an administrative point of view, rather than
having different rules applicable to different types of documentation.

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Re: Merge requests for serverguide

2011-10-16 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
I think the server-docs team is very small and does an excellent job.  I think 
they deserve congrats rather than criticism (even tho it wasn't really meant as 
criticism).  

However, i think that if they can follow the same freeze-date that other docs 
do then it might help.  Presumably it's reasonably easy to keep working on 
updating it but just avoid uploading the updates until after the freeze is over.

Things can't always be perfect and there is never enough time to do things 
properly the first time but hopefully there is chance to get it better for the 
time after this one.
Regards from
Tom :)



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 From: Peter Matulis peter.matu...@canonical.com
 Subject: Re: Merge requests for serverguide
 To: Connor Imes rocket2...@ubuntu.com
 Cc: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com, Ahmed Kamal k...@ubuntu.com, 
 ubuntu-doc ubuntu-...@lists.ubuntu.com
 Date: Saturday, 15 October, 2011, 13:00
 On 11-10-14 05:12 PM, Connor Imes
 wrote:
  
  On 10/13/2011 10:51 AM, Ahmed Kamal wrote:
  Hi everyone,
 
  The serverguide is no longer being shipped in the
 archive, which per
  my understanding frees it from typical string
 freeze ?
 
  I'm emailing the translators list to ask for a one
 week merge window
  to merge some serverguide reviews. If anyone has
 been working on
  translating the serverguide in the 11.10 cycle,
 please let me know.
 
  Thanks
  
  Translators,
  
  Unless anybody voices objections here within the next
 day or so, I am
  going to proceed with merging the outstanding string
 changes into the
  serverguide for Oneiric.  If you don't have any
 objections, that would
  be great to hear, too!
  
  Thanks,
  -Connor
  
 
 It's a shame that the Server Guide cannot be made available
 the day of
 the release.  Hopefully we can clear up any
 misunderstandings in
 subsequent releases of Ubuntu.
 
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Re: Upgrade smashed Amarok

2011-10-16 Thread mentoj dija


you deleted the hidden files aswell?



On 16.10.2011 14:51, Tom Rausner wrote:

Hi friends!

I've just finished upgrading my DELL PRECISION M90, to run 11.10. all
seems to work but if I start Amarok it plays about tree seconds of musik
and disappears from screen. If I load it again same thing happens.

I also tried to remove Amarok and install it again - same result !

Is there something I can do to make it work AFAanybodyK ?

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SPECIFICATION:

Hardware;   Dell Precision M90 (laptop)

Processor;  Intel Core 2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHzx2

OS; Ubuntu 11.10 (32-bit)


PS.
I never at as much as the shadow of problems running Amarok
under 11.04, on same hardware




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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Como que personaliza no 11.10??

2011-10-16 Thread Humberto Fraga

Em 15 de outubro de 2011 13:35, Hugo Leandro
leandro.alcap...@gmail.com escreveu:
 A filosofia de ser livre está caindo
 a baixo então com isso. Hoje, não conseguiimos no gnome  3 mudar ícones,
 temas login, ou seja, temas em geral, há sim, mas como se fossem programas
 de terceiros, gambiarras. Ta ficando chato isso.

Não existe de terceiros no caso do Gnome. O Gnome é feito pela
comunidade, e esses outros programas também. Tente encarar assim:
alguns membros da comunidade fizeram esses programas, mas a comunidade
como um todo não quis que eles viessem na instalação padrão. Só isso.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Onde Administro grupos no Ubuntu 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Fabiano Bovo


Eu só consegui via linha de comando. 

 

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 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:16:53 -0300
 From: gigio0...@gmail.com
 To: ubuntu-br@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Onde Administro grupos no Ubuntu 11.10
 
  Amigos,
 
  Fiz uma instalação limpa e não acho a administração de grupos.
  Quando abro o terminal e digito users-admin
  O Ubuntu fala q o users-admin não está instalado e pede para que eu instale
  o gnome-system-tools
  Isto quer dizer que por padrão não há administração de grupos na forma
  gráfica.
 
  Agradeço desde já,
 
 Paulo, eu fiz a atualização através do módulo de atualização do ubuntu
 e usei a tecla windows e digitei users-admin e veio normal a
 funcionalidade usuários e grupos
 
 Testei via terminar funcionou.
 mas deu  uma mensagem de erro (users-admin:3140):
 GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT
 (object)' failed
 
 Abraços e espero ter ajudado.
 
 Marcos
 
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[Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 11.10 em um Sony Vaio

2011-10-16 Thread Andre Cavalcante

Olá people!

Vou contar minha sina com o Ubuntu 11.10 no meu Sony Vaio VPCF1.

Baixei a versão normal Ubuntu 11.10.
Gerei um Live-PEN com o startup disk creator.
Tudo isso no Ubuntu 11.04 atualizado com KDE.
Até aí tudo tranquilo.
Fiz o meu backup de segurança (seguro morreu de velho) apesar de ter o /home
separado do raiz /
Fiz o boot na pen. Correu!

Uau! Primeira vez que o Ubuntu sobe com a resolução máxima da tela. Muito
fixe!
Wifi funcionando, internet ok, meus arquivos acessíveis depois de montar a
pasta.
Me empolguei e instalei!

Cópia dos arquivos rápida. Mal deu tempo de tirar a foto para a tela de
login! Mais fixe ainda, a Webcam integrada tava funfando!
Primeiro boot.
Olhei a tela de login, nada do clássico, somente o Unity 2D e o Unit 3D.
Vamos lá então, entrei no padrão (não sei qual era, creio que o Unity 3D!)

O Unit bunitinho, bunitinho.
Comecei a usar.

Primeiro, nada de rede.
Wifi totalmente desligada. Ué, mas no live-Pen funfava!
Abri um terminal:
ifconfig
e tava lá a wlan0

Problema, como inserir a senha do Wifi. A interface estava cinzenta.
Fucei até que encontrei o nome do programa, ativei via terminal.
Tenho internet. Pensei, wifi no Vaio sempre foi um problema!

Tentei instalar o ubuntu-restrict-extras. Nada! Tentei instalar outras
coisas, nada!
Abri um terminal: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restrict-extras e funcionou!
Ué, porque a central de programas não funfa?
Abri uns arquivos de logs para perceber, e nada sobre instalação de
software. As únicas entradas eram justamente a do apt que funfava no
terminal.

E então, começam a acontecer coisas estranhas.
As barras lateral e superior somem.
Reboot!

Volto e tento ver a rede.
A indicação da rede diz que não há rede, não há wlan e não há como habilitar
(a opção entá em cinzento!)
Vou no terminal novamente:
ifconfig -a
E vejo tudo ok!

Volto ao apt para terminar as instalações antes do reebot e, de fato, vejo
que tá funfando, porque o apt está baixando os pacotes...
Abro o firefox e navego.

Mas, de repente, mensagens de erro em aplicativos em background.
Até aí normal, as indicações são pra isso mesmo. Só não esperava erros tão
cedo!

Abro os drivers restritos, somem novamente os paineis lateral e superior.
Tento ativar o driver restrito da nvidia, e nada!
Só instala coisas via terminal?
Vamos lá, não desisto, abro o terminal: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
Não acha!
P0A! Já tá enchendo o saco!

Verifico que, apesar de não aparecer, as barras estão lá. Corro o rato por
cima e as opções aparecem.
Retiro o rato, as opções desaparecem.
Logout e login, e voltam a aparecer.

Espeto o hd externo! Shan! Shan! Não consegue montar: não tenho direito!
Aí começa a fazer sentido: talvez tenho algum problema no meu /home,
naqueles arquivos de configuração.
Sem problema, tenho o backup:
rm -f .*
Reboot para me certificar de tudo...

Volto.
Não consigo limpar a lixeira: não tenho permissão:
novamente: sudo rm ~/.local/share/Trash/files/*
E aí apaga a lixeira.

Reboot! (Deve ser o 4o ou 5o - nunca reiniciei tanto um Linux na minha
vida!)

Fiquei nessa brincadeira por umas 2 horas. Tudo o que eu fazia somente
funcionava via terminal!
Ora bolas, para que Ubuntu, então,? está parecendo até um LFS!

Saco, baixei o Kbuntu.

Foi um parto criar o LivePen, pois o usb-creator somente funcionava numa
sessão de root: sudo -s seguido de usb-creator-gtk (passei uns 10 min) para
descobrir o nome do aplicativo, porque não conseguia entrar no menu para
saber pelo atalho qual era o nome do comando!)

Boot again!

Voltei pro KDE!

Vou esperar até o Ubuntu 12.04. Quem sabe uma LTS realmente seja a solução.

Vejam bem, os problemas que tive tem pouco a ver com o Unity em si, mas com
a integração das coisas. O unity comm o gnome, por baixo e o próprio
sistemas ainda não se entendem perfeitamente como na antiga 10.04, onde
estava tudo integrado.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Calendário e Contatos - Ubuntu 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Fabiano Bovo


Wellington,
tenho a mesma pergunta! To achando que é experimental ainda...
 

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 From: lis...@welrbraga.eti.br
 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:02:25 -0300
 To: ubuntu-br@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BR]  Calendário e Contatos - Ubuntu 11.10
 
 Me incluo ao grupo dos que tem dúvida quanto a isso.
 
 Quando clicamos em nosso login lá na barra de ferramentas há uma opção
 chamada Contas online, onde só é possível conectarmos as contas do
 Google para e-amail, agenda, contatos, IM e Docs. Mas pra que isso se
 no thunderbird no Epiphany temos que configurar tudo denovo?
 
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 11.10 em um Sony Vaio

2011-10-16 Thread Anderson


Bom dia, André.

Realmente, tem algumas coisas por fazer ainda. Já relatei na lista uma 
instalação do 11.10 em 32 bits que também apresenta alguns problemas, 
principalmente esse da Central de Programas, que deixa o computador 
lento, mas bem lento mesmo. Aqui no meu PC de casa, acabei de instalar o 
11.10 em 64 bits, e também tenho problemas com a Central de Programas, 
que simplesmente desaparece quando está instalando programas em fila.


Sobre não aparecer determinados conteúdos de janelas, também confirmo. 
Aqui também não apareceu em algumas janelas.


Os restantes do seu problema realmente parecem ser problemas de 
permissão. Como sua /home é separada, pode ter ocorrido alguma coisa de 
errado exatamente com algum arquivo (.) ponto, mas eu não uso o Kubuntu, 
então não sei se isso pode mesmo ter ocorrido ou não.


De cero mesmo é que a 12.04 deve ser muito, mas muito melhor que essa 
11.10, embora ela esteja realmente muito rápida e com uma aparência 
impecável.


Anderson

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Atualização suja

2011-10-16 Thread Anderson Souza


On 14-10-2011 14:08, Filipe Nogueira de Souza wrote:

Galera tenho maior medo de atualizar online pq toda ve q eu atualizo online
da pau será q ta seguro atualizar on ???

Em 14 de outubro de 2011 12:12, Rafael Bernard Rodrigues Araujo
rafaelbern...@gmail.com  escreveu:


2011/10/14 Adauto Serpaadautose...@gmail.com


Rafael,

Qual é a sua arquitetura i386 ou AMD64 ?


i386. após install flashplugin-downloader o flash 11 está funcionando
perfeitamente.

abraço,
rafael
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MInha arquitetura é x86.

Desculple a demora no retorno..

Mais foi desastrosa minha experiencia de atualização suja

Som não funcionava, não consguia configurar nada...

Não entrava no ambiente grafico sem startx de forma alguma...e acabei 
tendo que formatar e voltei para o 11.04 e vou ficar nele até a versão 
12.04 chegar.


Acho que a minha experiencia ruim na instalação pode ter sido por que eu 
estava usando um kernel personalizado e compilado por mim...não sei se 
isso influencia...


Mais agora já era e não vou testar esse ubuntu 11.10 não..grato os 
comentarios do pessoal..


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[Ubuntu-BR] Download Kernel

2011-10-16 Thread Anderson Souza


Boa tarde!!

Gostaria de saber um local, onde possa baixar o kernel linux mais 
rescente, sem precisar entender de git.


Baixar via http, torrent, rsync, ou quaquer outro metodo, menos git

grato.,

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Calendário e Contatos - Ubuntu 11.10

2011-10-16 Thread Celio Silva

Fiz/faço o mesmo no Thunderbird...e no Firefox o Xmarks para os 
Favoritos


Célio

Em 15/10/2011 14:14, Fabiano Bovo escreveu:

Eu consegui sincronizar o Thunderbird.
Email eu fiz via IMAP normalmente.
Para os contatos eu instalei o complemento Zindus 0.8.38.
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Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:31:40 -0300
From: joao.ma...@gmail.com
To: ubuntu-br@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: [Ubuntu-BR] Calendário e Contatos - Ubuntu 11.10

Boa Noite,
Alguém que atualizou para o Ubuntu 11.10, conseguiu sincronizar com o
GMail (Calendário e Contatos)?
Ainda não descobri como.
Uma coisa eu falo, a maioria dos bugs do Unity foram corrigidos. O meu
mouse (Vostro 1310) não está funcionando, não tive tempo de correr atrás
ainda.
Abraços,
João Mandl

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 11.10 em um Sony Vaio

2011-10-16 Thread cesar

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:12:41 +0100
Andre Cavalcante andre.d.cavalca...@gmail.com wrote: