[Bug 1153188] Re: [FFe] Urdu with better support: Default Fonts
@mamoor, my skype id is s3219080190. lets discuss ubuntu installation there... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: [FFe] Urdu with better support: Default Fonts To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
let me do it again but i think i did so before and pasted the results but any how let me do it again. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson gunna...@ubuntu.comwrote: Hi Shabbir, Sorry for having been quiet for a while. Well, nothing has been changed in 13.04 yet, since we haven't yet found a configuration that you or Abdellah has been able to confirm that it gives the desired result. So again I ask you to please * install the fonts-nafees package from my PPA at https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/misc (if not already installed) to get NafeesNastaleeq.ttf, and * make use of the 90-fonts-nafees.conf attachment in accordance with the instructions at the end of comment #31. Abdellah did so a while ago, but his report in comment #32 is not enough of a base for proceeding along those lines. Hence your test of the same setup would be valuable. -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout Status in Fontconfig - Font Configuration Library: Confirmed Status in fontconfig package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in fonts-nafees package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in fonts-nafees package in Debian: New Bug description: Default fonts in Ubuntu show ugly Urdu text. It's better that language-selector sets Nafees Regular (Nafees Web in fonts-nafees package) as default font for all font families (SansSerif, Serif...except mono) used in Ubuntu. I would like to ask, if language-selector is able to set specific keyboard layout for Urdu for 1st time? Please Shabbir: Could you write here the best setting for Urdu Fonts (Using Tweak Tool: Scale Factor, Hinting, Anitaliasing, Size)? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
did I do any thing wrong? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
I downloaded ubuntu 13.04, ran it as virtual machine and accessed facebook.com, tried to view text in urdu but the font is still not 'noori nastaleeque'. images are attached as reference. thank you, Shabbir. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson gunna...@ubuntu.comwrote: Well, Shabbir, in comment #27 you asked for some time for testing - and you got it. ;-) Of course, I would have hoped for a report on you findings. Given Abdellah's comment #32, I still don't know what we should best do to achieve a sensible font setup for Urdu. Only adding Nafees Nastaleeq to the archive is reasonably not sufficient, if it's not accompanied with a font configuration that works. Shabbir, can you please test the idea in comment #31? -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout Status in Fontconfig - Font Configuration Library: Confirmed Status in “fontconfig” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Debian: New Bug description: Default fonts in Ubuntu show ugly Urdu text. It's better that language-selector sets Nafees Regular (Nafees Web in fonts-nafees package) as default font for all font families (SansSerif, Serif...except mono) used in Ubuntu. I would like to ask, if language-selector is able to set specific keyboard layout for Urdu for 1st time? Please Shabbir: Could you write here the best setting for Urdu Fonts (Using Tweak Tool: Scale Factor, Hinting, Anitaliasing, Size)? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions ** Attachment added: 1.JPG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188/+attachment/3650700/+files/1.JPG ** Attachment added: 2.JPG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188/+attachment/3650701/+files/2.JPG ** Attachment added: 3.JPG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188/+attachment/3650702/+files/3.JPG ** Attachment added: 4.JPG https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188/+attachment/3650703/+files/4.JPG -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
Hi, I need to ask wat are we up to? thanks, On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Bug Watch Updater 1153...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: ** Changed in: fontconfig Importance: Medium = Wishlist -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout Status in Fontconfig - Font Configuration Library: Confirmed Status in “fontconfig” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Debian: New Bug description: Default fonts in Ubuntu show ugly Urdu text. It's better that language-selector sets Nafees Regular (Nafees Web in fonts-nafees package) as default font for all font families (SansSerif, Serif...except mono) used in Ubuntu. I would like to ask, if language-selector is able to set specific keyboard layout for Urdu for 1st time? Please Shabbir: Could you write here the best setting for Urdu Fonts (Using Tweak Tool: Scale Factor, Hinting, Anitaliasing, Size)? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
thanks alot give some time for testing :). On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson gunna...@ubuntu.comwrote: Abdellah / Shabbir, I have talked with Sebastien Bacher on IRC, and we consider that the proposed changes (see comment #18) are uploaded to Ubuntu 13.04. However, since the changes affect all Urdu speaking users, can you please provide some kind of testcase that shows how the rendering of Urdu text is improved through the changes. I'm not sure how this is best done; maybe in the form of screenshots before/after. It would be great if you could provide something that makes us more confident that the proposed changes is a step in the right direction. -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout Status in Fontconfig - Font Configuration Library: Confirmed Status in “fontconfig” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Debian: New Bug description: Default fonts in Ubuntu show ugly Urdu text. It's better that language-selector sets Nafees Regular (Nafees Web in fonts-nafees package) as default font for all font families (SansSerif, Serif...except mono) used in Ubuntu. I would like to ask, if language-selector is able to set specific keyboard layout for Urdu for 1st time? Please Shabbir: Could you write here the best setting for Urdu Fonts (Using Tweak Tool: Scale Factor, Hinting, Anitaliasing, Size)? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
Sebastien, i couldnt get ur last email. thanks, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Thanks for the work Gunnar, not sure we have anyone knowing enough about the topic to state what is best there. In any case discussion is ongoing in Debian and it seems too late in the cycle for changing the default, we should do that at the start of a cycle to have time to get feedback and discuss the change. I'm unsubscribing sponsors, let's rediscuss the fontconfig change after the raring release rather -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout Status in Fontconfig - Font Configuration Library: Confirmed Status in “fontconfig” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Debian: New Bug description: Default fonts in Ubuntu show ugly Urdu text. It's better that language-selector sets Nafees Regular (Nafees Web in fonts-nafees package) as default font for all font families (SansSerif, Serif...except mono) used in Ubuntu. I would like to ask, if language-selector is able to set specific keyboard layout for Urdu for 1st time? Please Shabbir: Could you write here the best setting for Urdu Fonts (Using Tweak Tool: Scale Factor, Hinting, Anitaliasing, Size)? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
I support this statement, What if you replace Urdu Nastaliq Unicode with Nafees Nastaleeq? the answer is yes. this font should display urdu text even if urdu package is not installed. There is some default font thats why we can see/read urdu at least. Udu Nastaliq Unicode is not well supported, where as Nafees Nastaleeq is made and supported by some well known institution of pakistan and is an organization. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
for keyboard layout the best option to compare things with is google urdu translitration, it is the most easiest keyboard layout. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
These days I'm researching different fonts and keyboard layouts and talking to URDU experts, The current defacto standard considered is InPage http://www.inpage.com/Download.html. They make their own versions of fonts, like the version of nastaleeq that InPage makes is called Noori Nastaleeq. The best of all public implementations so far i found is Nafees Nastaleeq I mentioned in my above reply. it has an issue in that the text clarity in different font sizes is not same(distorted text like if you type something in large size on a low resolution display), in few sizes the text displays is not that best clear like it does if you copy from Inpage to an image format and view them in a browser. the best till i found is Nafees Nastaleeq, which is at least supported. there are many other versions of Nastaleeq available but not well supported. the other good fonts available are Nafees Web etc. Thanks, -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1153549] Re: Add other fonts of the same collection.
Hi, These days I'm researching different fonts and keyboard layouts and talking to URDU experts, The current defacto standard considered is InPage http://www.inpage.com/Download.html. They make their own versions of fonts, like the version of nastaleeq that InPage makes is called Noori Nastaleeq. The best of all public implementations so far i found is Nafees Nastaleeq I mentioned in my above reply. it has an issue in that the text clarity in different font sizes is not same(distorted text like if you type something in large size on a low resolution display), in few sizes the text displays is not that best clear like it does if you copy from Inpage to an image format and view them in a browser. the best till i found is Nafees Nastaleeq, which is at least supported. there are many other versions of Nastaleeq available but not well supported. the other good fonts available are Nafees Web etc. Thanks, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Launchpad Bug Tracker 1153...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: fonts-nafees (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153549 Title: Add other fonts of the same collection. Status in “fonts-nafees” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Hi, Urdu fonts are few in Debian (as Ubuntu). So It will more easy for users install from repository. Actually the official font used in Pakistan is Nastaleeq which hopping to set it as default system font for Urdu. (See Bug #1153188 for more information) Nafees origial development site: http://www.crulp.org/software/localization.htm All have the same License. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-nafees/+bug/1153549/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153549 Title: Add other fonts of the same collection. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-nafees/+bug/1153549/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1153549] Re: Add other fonts of the same collection.
** Tags removed: urdo ** Tags added: urdu -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153549 Title: Add other fonts of the same collection. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-nafees/+bug/1153549/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
The official Font for urdu is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasta%CA%BFl%C4%ABq_script Nasta Liq, all the news papers universities text books school college materials all are printed in this font. here is the officially made font and checked by a famous calligrapher, http://www.crulp.org/software/localization/Fonts/nafeesNastaleeq.html The font could be downloaded from the same place, If you want i can personally go and meet them make a report and update you. Gunnar, About the keyboard lay out there are many and we are talking about the default, as to type in english you simply click into a text area and start typing, where as in urdu you have to do some effort which a common computer user is not aware of, so i think we have to simplify things for him, if he clicks into a place to type in urdu he simply selects the urdu and start typing the easiest way or the more easy he can achieve his task. This would be the http://www.crulp.org/software/localization/keyboards/CRULPphonetickbv1.1.html which already is in ubuntu named Urdu (Pakistan, CRULP), Urdu (Pakistan, CRULP) is phonetic keyboard layout and all the ppl who use special software to write urdu and then convert it into image format (most in-page is used) and the keyboard layout is called phonetic. kindly sujjest further. thank you, -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1153188] Re: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout
I can explain every thing here in detail, we have two issues here, 1. Reading Urdu Text: the default font for Urdu is SanSerif and others font only made on emphasis on english language that's why the text displayed is not easily readable, we cant change the text as we don't have a font already installed for URDU. This is the main reason all the news papers and every other thing published or posted on internet are in image format. The result is image takes longer to download, mobile view is not good, u cant zoom in as at a point the text with go rubish. you cant search any thing inside an image (text). google is not helpfull in case you want to search for something that is ur requirement. The only current way that i use with my web site is CSS3 font download. 2. Writing Urdu: the default keyboard layout is not wat it has to be. we need to download and install third party keyboard layouts that is called phonetic keyboard layout. Most of the characters in english and urdu are same like the char 'S' and 'seen' in urdu and arabic. now it makes sense that S should type 'SEEN' but it doesnt, rather it prints un realistic characters. the best option google has created for this is google translitration which works same as phonetic keyboard. I am available if more explaination or help is required. thanks for listening to our problems. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Title: Urdu with better support: Default Fonts, Kbd Layout To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1153188/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
